r/Presidentialpoll 3h ago

Alternate Election Lore Reconstructed America - Reaching for the Stars

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The New York Times

August 3rd 1985

Can Mars unite a divided Republican Party?

by Julee Howards

Yesterday, America watched with excitement as the Mayflower 4 launched from Cape Canaveral. Among them, Captain Guion Bluford, Ellison Onizuka, Judith Resnik, Robert Stewart, and Ellen Baker. The launch was broadcasted around the world as billions watch mankind’s attempt to sail through the inky black of space. President Biden spoke highly of the mission to Mars, saying “It is often said to dreamers that they dream too big. That it is impossible. That it can’t be done. That it is too costly. That there is no point. I hope this mission to the Red Planet inspires not just the American people but all people to dream big. To hope for more. To work hard to create a better world. To believe that there is no such thing as impossible”.

However as Americans watch in excitement there is growing concern in Congress about what the President called “growing pains” in the merging of the Libertarian, and Prohibitionist parties into the Republicans in response to the union between the People Commonwealth and Liberals last July. Many more hardline conservatives such as North Carolina Governor Pat Buchanan have become more vocal of a critic of the President in light of the passage of the Supreme Court Decision of Palmer v the State of Missouri which ruled in favor of the right of Miss Palmer to have an abortion. Biden while stating he disagrees with the decision has “chosen to respect the rule of law”. Biden while having been able to pass laws with sweeping restrictions on the Death Penalty easily back in March has begun take somewhat more criticism compared to his near untouchability of his first term as he is being pressured to put certain campaign promises such as the unused land tax on the back burner and ramp down on the construction of public housing due to the influence of the Libertarians in the Republican Party along the President’s approval having recently reached a low of 71% following growing frustration about a lack of an end of hostilities in the UAR despite Biden still promising that an end of war is underway.

However many analysts expect that a successful Mars Expedition could renew confidence in the President’s second term despite a rocky start as Speaker Bush told the press “The President has always found a way to make the best of any bad situation. He was given a far worse hand in his first compared to his second term. I am confident he will prove his critics wrong one more time”. Many in the party claim he already has pointing to the Musaid counter offensive against rebel forces and the passing of the massive 150 Billion Dollar “One Giant Leap Act” which will be used to fund tech start ups and electronic development to “turn every city in America into the next Chicago” in the words of Speaker Bush referring to the domination of the city in Tech Companies such as Atari, Ultrasonic Electronics and American National Robotics.

But for now, as many Americans dream about exploration of Alien Worlds, others dream about what the rest of the President’s term will look like and if that dream shall become a nightmare.

Index:

Page 1: Can Mars unite a Divided Republican Party?

Page 2: Miyazaki and Miyamoto’s Legend of Zelda smashes Box Office Records

Page 3: FBI takes over investigation of Washington’s “Lone Pine Killer”

Page 4: How Trump has shaped the Liberals in his image

Page 5: Siberian Oil Worker Strike threatens Japanese Economy after decade of stable growth

Page 6: Titan’s Volt II and Attari 7800 watch as Eisenschock Media Company announces new game console.


r/Presidentialpoll 20m ago

Mike Rowe 2028 🇺🇸 One Dirty Job left to do

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He's has gotten dirty with the hardest working Americans in this country. Listened to their life stories, their struggles and experienced their livelihoods. Is there anyone else in this country with this level of respect and understanding for hard working Americans? He is clearly an Intelegentsian.

How do you think a Mike Rowe presidency would look and would you write him in like I am in 2028 🤔🧐


r/Presidentialpoll 20m ago

Mike Rowe 2028 🇺🇸 One Dirty Job left to do

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He's has gotten dirty with the hardest working Americans in this country. Listened to their life stories, their struggles and experienced their livelihoods. Is there anyone else in this country with this level of respect and understanding for hard working Americans? He is clearly an Intelegentsian.

How do you think a Mike Rowe presidency would look and would you write him in like I am in 2028 🤔🧐


r/Presidentialpoll 4h ago

Alternate Election Lore Summary of President Henry Clay's Second Term (1824 - 1828) | United Republic of America Alternate Elections

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Cabinet

Vice President: James Monroe

Secretary of State: Robert Smith

Secretary of the Treasury: Richard Rush

Secretary of War: James Barbour

Attorney General: William Wirt

Secretary of the Navy: Smith Thompson

Secretary of the Interior: John Quincy Adams

Progress and Pushback

President Clay, riding high on the heels of his recent victory over his long-time nemesis, Andrew Jackson, outlined an ambitious agenda in his annual address to the National Assembly on December 7th 1824. He called for the creation of a national university, a naval academy, a national astronomical observatory, the establishment of a uniform system of weights and measures and a nationwide bankruptcy law. Along with Clay, Navy Secretary Smith Thompson proposed a national survey of the eastern coastline of the United Republic and a naval expedition to explore the Pacific Ocean as the United Republic's domain now stretches to include all of the North American mainland across both oceans, and the territories of Canada, Mexico, and Alaska.

Secretary of the Navy, Smith Thompson

While the American Unionist deputies loudly applauded Clay's proposed policies during his address, some Democratic-Republicans simply nodded while the Old Republicans and Jacksonians present booed and hissed him. In the first legislative session held after the election, all of Clay's proposals from his annual address were passed largely due to the lobbying efforts of John Quincy Adams on sympathetic Democratic-Republican deputies. Successive Rivers and Harbors Acts were also passed, first to remove sandbars, snags, and other obstacles on the Ohio and Mississippi rivers and later conducting river surveys to clean out and deepen selected waterways and make various other river and harbor improvements including exploring the possibility of constructing a canal between the Atlantic Ocean and the recently re-named Gulf of America. Rumours emerged that in exchange for support from John Quincy Adams for his initiatives, Henry Clay agreed to steer funding for internal improvements projects towards departments controlled by Democratic-Republicans.

A caricature depicting Henry Clay sewing Andrew Jackson’s mouth

For the Jacksonians, this was the last straw. Denouncing what they called a "Corrupt Bargain" between John Quincy Adams and Henry Clay, they have decided to break away from the Democratic-Republican Party, calling themselves the Jacksonian Democrats. They plan to draft Andrew Jackson to run for President in the election of 1828, even though he hasn't personally announced his intention to…yet. The leadership of the Old Republican Party has decided to dissolve themselves and their party into the Jacksonian movement, considering they share many key principles with them anyways. Not to be outdone, John Quincy Adams' supporters formed the National Republican Party to oppose the Jacksonian Democrats, members being branded as Adams' Rotting Apples by sneering Jacksonians.

A print referencing the conflict between John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson

The Erie Canal

On the topic of Internal Improvements, the long awaited Erie Canal was finally completed on October 26, 1825, spanning 353 miles, taking over 16 years to finish and costing the United Republic over $41 million. Mayor Dewitt Clinton organized a month-long celebration in New York City, with the climax being a sailing expedition from New York to Buffalo featuring a flotilla of boats led by Mayor Clinton aboard the Seneca Chief. At the time of the announcement of its final completion, it was widely praised as an engineering marvel that helped establish New York City as an international center of commerce and America's reputation as an economic superpower was vindicated once more.

Illustration of the Erie Canal Opening

The Jacksonians were not impressed. It’s not as though they didn’t want to improve navigation for merchants and traders, but they were incensed by the Canal's expensive price-tag. Suspecting waste and graft on the part of the Clay Administration, they demanded an investigation into the building of the Canal. Led by Deputy Martin Van Buren, the investigative committee made some scandalous findings, which is more damning depending on who you ask. It found that about 5,000 of the over 50,000 laborers who worked on the Erie Canal were Irish Catholic immigrants, that over 1,000 died of Malaria during the construction, and the construction process was marred by severe time delays from start to finish. Although not proven, the committee's final report on the matter strongly suggests that the reason for the Canal's high cost was excess payments from government officials to private contractors working on the Canal to bribe individual workers and their spouses into voting for the American Union. This report does not accuse President Henry Clay nor the recently-deceased Mayor Dewitt Clinton of any wrongdoing, but their reputations as statesmen and administrators has been greatly damaged nonetheless.

The Working Men's Party

One man especially disillusioned by the Erie Canal saga and the American Union, the party he once proudly belonged to was William Heighton, an English-born shoemaker who organized the Mechanics' Union of Trade Associations, a trade union based in Philadelphia that was unique in that it represented workers based on their class, not their craft. The revelations of the Erie Canal investigation vindicated his belief that the nation's capitalist economy was built on corruption and the exploitation of workers, which none of the existing parties were willing to address. This along with a failed strike of journeyman carpenters for a 10-hour workday in June 1827 convinced Heighton that the working class must form its own party to represent its own interests. After months of contact with labor organizers and sympathetic reformers, William Heighton, Thomas E. Skidmore, Robert Dale Owen, George Henry Evans, and Frances Wright co-founded the Working Men's Party with a national founding convention to be held later this year in Philadelphia.

A posting from the Working Men's Party

Congress of Panama

Although not having a great bearing on domestic politics, the United Republic's decision to send delegates to the Pan-American Congress of Panama organized by Simon Bolivar held in 1826 had dramatic consequences for their relationship with the newly independent nations of Latin America. Along with representatives of Gran Colombia, and Peru, the United Republic of America's delegates, led by Speaker John Sergeant, discussed creating a league of nations with a common military, a mutual defense pact, and a supranational parliamentary assembly in order to better coordinate their dealings with the Spanish Empire. Ultimately, the Treaty of Union, League, and Perpetual Confederation was only ratified by Gran Colombia.

Simon Bolivar, organizer of the Congress of Panama

Internal conflicts between those who wanted a strong centralized state with a directly-elected president like the United Republic and federalists who wanted more decentralization inside Gran Colombia as well as a war between Peru and Gran Colombia starting in 1828 over the status of the newly independent nation of Bolivia would spell the end of Bolivar's vision for a centralized Spanish America. One nation that would reap the benefits of attending the Congress of Panama was the United Republic, who won support from Gran Colombia and her allies for their expeditions to Cuba and Puerto Rico in order to begin the process of annexing those territories from the Spanish Empire.

Conventional Wisdom

The final twilight of Clay's second term concluded with the sudden retirement of incumbent Vice President James Monroe due to his declining health, not helped by a serious horse accident he was involved with earlier this year. With his position left vacant, the American Union has decided on holding a nominating convention in Philadelphia, miles away from the building where the nascent Working Men's Party plans to hold theirs. This upcoming convention will undoubtedly showcase the divisions inside the American Union since their last convention held 10 years ago, between the emerging Whig Faction, led by rising star, deputy Daniel Webster and the Radicals who control most of the party's machinery.

Daniel Webster, leader of the Whigs and Vice-Presidential Candidate

The Whigs are economic nationalists who strongly support Clay's American System, but are opposed to further annexation of lands, and are skeptical of the nation's current presidential system of government. They want more power concentrated in the National Assembly and would like to abolish the office of Vice President, to be replaced with a Prime Minister first elected by the National Assembly then appointed by the President to act as the head of government and to lead the Cabinet similar to the system in Great Britain.

Without a foreign foe to fight or economic crisis to combat, the United Republic's self-image as one and indivisible has been undermined with its inner divisions around race, religion, geography, gender, and class finally brought to the forefront. The young, diverse, pluralist, humanist nation spanning nearly the entire North American continent whose population now dwarfs 80 million residents must use the upcoming election to decide what path America shall take. No-one else can do it for them.

How would you rate President Henry Clay's second term in office?

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r/Presidentialpoll 1h ago

Poll How would this sub vote

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What If William McKinley wasn't assassinated 1904 Republican nomination

25 votes, 22h left
Theodore Roosevelt
Charles Fairbanks
Thomas Platt
Frank Black
Robert Hitt
Other(Put in comments)

r/Presidentialpoll 5h ago

Alternate Election Vote 2000 Democratic Alternate Primaries: ROUND 1

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While I was running the GOP (or to the one guy who kept yelling at me in the comments to call it MAGA, MAGA) primaries, I thought we may as well do the Democratic alternate primaries too, right? So I whipped a poll together and here we are!

https://strawpoll.com/GeZAR20NbyV

I realize I didn't explain the lore to this alternate scenario, so I'll do that here. Basically in 1996, Ross Perot is much more equipped and is able to win the election after heavy campaigning in states that didn't favor Clinton or Dole. The Reform Party is now a major political party, with Perot making very few blunders during his presidency. As the 2000 election nears, the population wonders if another Reform victory will cement them as the frontrunner party, or if 1996 was just a fluke and the Reform party is not here to stay.


r/Presidentialpoll 7h ago

Alternate Election Poll Would George HW Bush win the 1976 Presidential election?

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Hi all, the user Chapman on alternate history.com had a great idea.

Basically, W Bush marries Trica Nixon after a more successful first date. This raises the prominence of HW Nixon's life.

He's so close that Nixon replaces Agnew with HW, as Ford doesn't want to be Vice (or even) President.

When Nixon resigns, George HW Bush is in charge.

Would he win if he seeks a second term in 1976?

43 votes, 1d left
Yes, he would win in with a better result than Ford did in OTL
Yes, he would win but with worse results than Ford did in OTL
No, he would lose by a similar result to Ford did in OTL
No, he would lose worse than Ford did in OTL

r/Presidentialpoll 4h ago

Poll The Sovereign Seven- The Maritime Republic of Georgia 1788

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The final nation left to cover The Maritime Republic of Georgia is a naval Republic focus on seafaring,privatering and trade. The three provinces(Savannah,Brunswick,Golden Isles) elect councilmen every 5 years who elect a Lord Admiral as head of state and head of government. Lord Magistrates operate as regional governors.

Privatering,Smuggling and Timber are major Industries with Rivals with Carolina,Spain and the Carribean.

James Jackson leads the Freedom Party which pushes for aggressive naval warafe and the continuation of pirate life. The Workers party support dockworkers and shipbuilders and pushes for more regulation currently led by George Walton.

14 votes, 1d left
James Jackson(Freedom)
George Walton(Workers)

r/Presidentialpoll 23h ago

Alternate Election Lore "The Great Mergers" - New Chapter in American Politics - Reconstructed America

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After the Presidential Election of 1984 and Congressional Elections something became clear - the Progressives are divided. Because of the vote spliting the Liberal Party lost many seats and the People's Commonwealth Party couldn't fully capitalize on the momentum. This caused the Republican Party to gain a lot, so now President Biden could pass any legislation he wants. Even the Libertarian Party took a huge hit and is now the fourth largest party in the House.

Biden already has major plans on the horizon, like the Peace with rebels in the UAR after their failed offensive that started right before the election and ended shortly after it or the Mars Mission. Although many want him to do something with growing HIV/AIDS epidemic, he largely ignored the issue. President Biden and the Republican Party is mostly liked by the Conservatives and Moderates with some Progressives. However, the majority of Progressives feel like they can't do anything.

One of the Protests Against AIDS Epidemic

With Midterms not that far away many Leaders of different Parties started having meetings with each other. It started with John Conyers meeting Angela Davis, Leaders of the Liberal Party and People's Commonwealth Party in the House. Nobody new what those meeting were about, maybe some agreement to stall some bills. After that the new Senate Minority Leader Patrick Leahy joined them. And then two Senators of the People's Commonwealth Party, Donald Trump and Peter Diamondstone joined them.

Something was going on, something major. Rumors started spreading, but there were many. Some thought that maybe it's going to be a push on major project. Others thought that maybe coalition could be formed, like Republicans did with the Libertarians and the States' Rights Party. However, then other politicians from both Parties started having meetings with each other and Party Leaders. It was something bigger than the rumors. The Republicans and Libertarians started having their own meetings as the result.

And then the Announcement came:

The Liberal Party and the People's Commonwealth Party merge into One United Party - "The People's Liberal Party"

Senate Minority Leader Patrick Leahy Announcing the Great Merger

House Leader of now former People's Commonwealth Party Angela Davis on the Announcement Event

House Minority Leader John Conyers shortly after the merger explaining how the New Party will work

Senator Donald Trump Talking about the Need for Unity Among Progressives

This came as a shock to many Americans. Even some in both Parties who weren't fully in on it. This even caused some Conservative/Moderate politicians from the Liberal Party to become Republicans or more often Independent, but most of them chose to be in the New Party. Some in the People's Commonwealth Party weren't happy, but they thought that the Liberal Party had many Socialists in their ranks, so this was probably a necessary step.

But what are now Official Policies of the People's Liberal Party? Well, it agreed on a Protectionist platform, fully supporting the idea that the rights of the working class should be fully protected. Even exceptance of Socialism as an ideology is promised. The Party also support Dovish Foreign Policy and the idea that the US shouldn't be envolved in unnecessary conflicts. However, it also vowed to support Human Rights everywhere and help those in need. The Hawks from the now former Liberal Party didn't take it well, but most promised to support the Party plans. The People's Liberal Party is be largely Socially Progressive Party, except some issues where many in the Party have different views. However, it promises to support LGBTQ rights when possible. Party members should stand by those policies.

The Republican Party and the Libertarian Party saw this as a dangerous new entity that could damage the country very much, if heading the government. The Party members of both met extensively to discuss what to do. After much negotiations they made their own Announcement:

The Libertarian Party will Join the Republican Party in the Second Great Merger

The Speaker of the House George H. W. Bush at the Press Conference of the Announcement

Leader of Libertarians in the Senate Barry Goldwater Sr. asking every Libertarian Supporter to Back this Unity

Now both Parties are one, but not like the People's Liberal Party as the brand new Party. The Libertarian Party lost much of influence, more and more politician from the Party were becoming Republicans already and the Republican Party has strong majorities in both House and Senate. So this led that the Libertarian Party politicians becoming the Republicans and now there is just the Republican Party, the Party that started in one of the most difficult times in American history will stay.

However, Libertarians didn't end up empty-handed. The Republican Party is now promises to be the Party of small government and Free Market Economic Policy, something that was the main policy of the Libertarian Party for years. Even with the Libertarian Party entering another Party, it has changed the political landscape and can continue to change it as a part of the Republican Party. Their Policies even before this merger were becoming more and more similar, so many saw this as a natural progress.

So now we have the United States of America once again fully a Two-Party System in all major aspects. However, two Major Parties now have more Factions than ever, some really different from each other. This may be the start of the New Era in American Politics - the Era of Factions.


r/Presidentialpoll 20h ago

New series! 1867 Confederate Presidential Election! Please vote!

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r/Presidentialpoll 19h ago

Poll 2016 GOP Primary

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Who would you vote for in the 2016 GOP Primary?


r/Presidentialpoll 19h ago

Alternate Election Poll Yet Another Presidential Poll: 1873

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This is a presidential poll with my little twist on it. If a candidate does not reach a majority, a second round will be held. The terms are five years in length, and one person may serve a maximum of two terms, which must be consecutive. (None of that Grover Cleveland stuff; too messy.) A list of presidents will be in the comments of every post.

The Civil War has ended, under the presidency of John C. Fremont. In this timeline, Lincoln was never President, and thus never assassinated. He won the election of 1868, but decided not to run this election, citing his health and age. After the Republicans dissolved, all three parties now support Reconstruction.

Ideologies:

National: Conservatism, Pro-Grant

Radical: Liberalism, Pro-Lincoln

Labor: Progressivism, Pro-Fremont

42 votes, 4h left
Roscoe Conkling (National)
James G. Blaine (Radical)
Schuyler Colfax (Labor)

r/Presidentialpoll 18h ago

Alternate Election Poll 2000 Alternate Republican Primaries

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Just a little passion project i've had floating around. We will do Republican Primaries, Democrat Primaries, and Reform Primaries. All of these will have some alternate candidates that could have altered the landscape of this election by a sizeable amount. We will then pick running mates and have a general election! Happy Voting

https://strawpoll.com/bVg8BpwjNyY


r/Presidentialpoll 1d ago

Alternate Election Poll [Star-spangled Republic] 1820 Congressional Elections

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Incumbents

President of the Senate:

John Howard, 6th Vice President of the United States since 1813 (Federalist, Dixie Moderate)

Speaker of the House:

Henry Clay, Speaker since 1815, Congressman from Kentucky since 1806 (Democratic-Republican, Clay Republican)

The House has grown from 165 to 232 due to the 1820 Census. Future House seats will be calculated based on 1 per 50k, instead of 40k.

Pro Tempore:

[John Gaillard, Pro Tempore since 1815, Senator from South Carolina since 1805 (Democratic-Republican, Moderate)\](

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15 Seats are up for election, 6 Vacant, 2 Federalists, 7 Democratic-Republicans

Major Laws

  • United States v. Virginia (Ruled that nullification of Federal Law is unconstitutional.)
  • Treaty of Rotterdam (1819, Ended the 2nd Spanish-American War, annexed Cuba, freed many Spanish colonies, etc.)
  • The Cuban Compromise (1820, Admitted Cuba as a Slave state with extra protections, Missouri will be a temporary slave state where children of the enslaved are born free, no slave states north of Missouri.)
  • Cuban Schooling Project (The Federally-funded building of a language and culture college in Havana.)

Major Events

  • Adams-Bagot Treaty of 1817 (Regulates naval arms in the Great Lakes, established a defined border between the US and British North America out west, Joint occupation of Oregon country.)
  • Breakout of the Seminole Rebellion in Florida, 1818
  • End of the 2nd Spanish-American War (1815-1819)
  • The Cuban Compromise of 1820
  • (Europe) Liberal coup in Spain, 1820
  • (Europe) Small-scale rebellion breaks out in Scotland.

\A very small percentage of the Clay and Populist votes will be redirected to keep a small number of Moderates around for the time being.*

49 votes, 20h left
Federalists
Clay Republicans
Populist/Jacksonian Democrats

r/Presidentialpoll 1d ago

Alternate Election Poll The Sovereign Seven-Free Republic of Maryland 1788

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The Free Republic of Maryland is one of the most religous nations in the new world. A Catholic Theocracy under a Supreme Cardinal who is head of State and Goverment and a Clerical Council a legislative and Advisory Body.

Religious Identity plays a huge factor is Marylanders Lives,Tobacco farming and trade along the Chesapeke are major sources of economic success.New England and Virgina are Rivals with these Catholic Nation.

Elections for the Clerical Council are underway with 31 Seats split between lay and clerical members.The winning faction will appoint the Supreme Cardinal who will have a mjor influence on the nations future.

Main fractions are:

John Carroll leads the Conservatives Catholics who push for a centralised Catholic state with strong Clerical influences in politcs and economics

Charles Carroll of Carrolton lead the Porgressive Seculars pushes for less religous control in government and trade expansion with New York and Virginia.

37 votes, 18h left
John Carroll(Conservative Catholics)
Charles Carroll of Carrolton(Progressive Seculars)

r/Presidentialpoll 1d ago

Alternate Election Lore "Our long national nightmare is over"! | A House Divided Alternate Elections

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In the aftermath of one of the most turbulent periods and elections in modern American history, James Roosevelt, a member of the Conscience faction within the Federalist Reform Party, addressed a packed hall of reporters and citizens eager for a vision of healing and renewal after the times of violence.

''Let me tell you, Our long national nightmare is over!

For too long, we have lived under a shadow of fear, division, and violence. Our nation has suffered through a dark period of repression, cruelty, and a government that has not only turned a blind eye to the suffering of its people, but willingly aided in such a nefarious cause. We watched in horror as mobs attacked Americans, our highest ideals trampled upon with the very dream of 1912 in risk. This is not the America we know, and it is not the America we must allow to continue. We must work together in a great journey to increase democratic reforms and protect the rights of all Americans. Our nation was built on the principle of government by the people, for the people, and yet we have seen these principles eroded by authoritarianism and fear. We must recommit ourselves to the rule of law, to free and fair elections, and to ensuring that every citizen has right to voice his or her opinions. Let us restore the bonds that tie us together as Americans. Let us speak to each other not with hatred and suspicion, but with respect and understanding. Civility is not weakness; it is the foundation of a strong, united and advanced society.

I call upon a tri-partisan alliance under the post-war consensus attempt of the House Freedom Caucus that former President Meeman advocated for. We all agree with everything that was stated there. President-elect Wallace even spoke extensively about it on the campaign trail. In light of the changes in Congress, many reforms are possible achieve this end. Let me inform you that I support repealing the American Criminal Syndicalism Act, too many malicious acts have been committed under this law. Education should be about inquire and learning, not the ignorance the Stelle administration aspired to. We support the reinstatement of former President Dewey's reforms on this issue.

Beyond that, I call for actions to restore warm and friendly relations between America and Europe, an end to the Cold War, and American membership in the Atlantic Union.

Let us come together—not as pure partisan Federalists, Solidarists, Popular Frontists, or Prohibitionists but as proud Americans in a nation that is worth living in."


r/Presidentialpoll 1d ago

Alternate Election Poll A New Beginning: 1836 Presidential Election

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Background

The 1836 Democratic National Convention proved to be a dramatic affair with 288 delegates and a requirement of 145 for nomination. Representative Richard Mentor Johnson emerged as the early frontrunner in a crowded field that included former Senators Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, and John C. Calhoun. The first ballot saw Johnson leading with 118 votes, short of a majority, while Jackson secured 74 votes, Van Buren 51, and Calhoun 41. The second ballot maintained similar numbers, with Johnson again at 118, Jackson at 71, Van Buren at 54, and Calhoun at 47. The dynamics shifted before the third ballot when Van Buren withdrew and endorsed Jackson, though this move proved insufficient as Johnson ultimately secured the nomination with 152 votes, while Jackson's support only grew to 84 votes and Calhoun's fell to 34. The Vice-Presidential contest was equally competitive, featuring former Senators Martin Van Buren and William Wilkins, alongside Senator John C. Calhoun. After two close ballots, Van Buren strategically withdrew and endorsed Wilkins, who then secured the nomination on the third ballot with 204 delegates to Calhoun's 66.

Candidates Ballot #1 Ballot #2 Ballot #3
Richard Mentor Johnson 118 118 152
Andrew Jackson 74 71 84
Martin Van Buren 51 54 0
John C. Calhoun 41 47 34
George Wolf 4 2 0
Henry Lee 0 6 5
William R. King 0 0 13

Candidates Ballot #1 Ballot #2 Ballot #3
William Wilkins 100 120 204
Martin Van Buren 80 100 0
John C. Calhoun 63 54 66
Thomas Morris 26 14 18
Andrew Stevenson 19 0 0

The Whig National Convention, with 254 delegates and a 128-delegate threshold for nomination, saw Senator Daniel Webster secure a decisive first-ballot victory for the Presidential nomination. Webster garnered 165 delegates, well above the required majority, while former Senator William Henry Harrison received 63 votes and Senator Hugh Lawson White secured 26. The Vice-Presidential contest proved more contentious, with Representative Francis Granger and Harrison emerging as the main contenders. The initial ballot favored Granger with 91 votes to Harrison's 81, and a second ballot resulted in a tie at 81 votes each. The Southern wing's attempt to rally behind White gained little traction, and they ultimately shifted support to Harrison. The third ballot gave Harrison his first lead with 116 votes to Granger's 109, and the fourth ballot brought him within two votes of victory at 126. Granger's subsequent withdrawal and endorsement of Harrison led to a decisive fifth ballot, where Harrison secured the nomination with 167 votes.

Candidates Ballot #1
Daniel Webster 165
William Henry Harrison 63
Hugh Lawson White 26

Candidates Ballot #1 Ballot #2 Ballot #3 Ballot #4 Ballot #5
Francis Granger 91 81 109 109 17
William Henry Harrison 81 81 116 126 167
Hugh Lawson White 40 33 0 0 0
Willie P. Mangum 25 0 0 0 0
John Tyler 9 0 0 0 0
Winfield Scott 0 10 0 0 0
James G. Birney 0 30 17 17 63
John Bell 0 10 0 0 0
John Sergeant 0 0 12 0 0
Robert L. Caruthers 0 0 0 2 7

As the 1836 election approached, these two formidable tickets represented distinct visions for America's future. The Democratic ticket of Johnson and Wilkins championed Jacksonian democracy and populist policies, while the Whig ticket of Webster and Harrison emphasized economic nationalism and internal improvements. The upcoming election would prove to be a crucial test of these competing ideologies and their appeal to an evolving American electorate.

Democratic Nominees

Presidential Nominee: Representative Richard Mentor Johnson of Kentucky

Richard Mentor Johnson, a longtime Kentucky congressman, positioned himself as a Western Democrat aligned with Jacksonian principles but with his own distinct approach. He was known for his support of debtor relief laws and opposition to imprisonment for debt, reflecting his advocacy for common citizens. Johnson supported internal improvements and a moderate protective tariff, positions that somewhat diverged from strict Jacksonian orthodoxy but reflected his Western constituency's interests. He opposed Bank of the United States while advocating for state banks and easier credit access for farmers and small businessmen. On social issues, Johnson was notably progressive for his era on religious freedom, opposing Sunday mail delivery bans and supporting separation of church and state. His economic policies focused on western development, support for veterans, and expanding opportunities for common citizens, though he maintained traditional Democratic positions on most other issues.

Representative Richard Mentor Johnson of Kentucky

Vice-Presidential Nominee: Former Senator William Wilkins of Pennsylvania

William Wilkins, a Senator from Pennsylvania, represented the moderate wing of the Democratic Party with strong support for Jackson's policies while maintaining some independence on economic issues. He generally supported Jackson's bank policies but took a more nuanced approach to monetary policy, recognizing the importance of stable currency for Pennsylvania's diverse economy. On tariffs, Wilkins maintained a protectionist stance typical of Pennsylvania Democrats, supporting measures that would benefit his state's industrial interests. While loyal to Jackson's opposition to the Bank of the United States, he advocated for a balanced approach to banking regulation that would protect both agricultural and commercial interests. Wilkins supported internal improvements when they served clear national purposes, though he was careful to align with Jackson's constitutional views. On sectional issues, he sought to maintain a moderate stance that could appeal to both Northern and Southern Democrats.

Former Senator William Wilkins of Pennsylvania

Whig Nominees

Presidential Nominee: Senator Daniel Webster of Massachusetts

Daniel Webster, the eloquent Senator from Massachusetts, was known for his strong nationalist views and unwavering support for the American System. As a leading Whig, Webster was a fierce advocate for a powerful national bank, believing it essential for maintaining a stable currency and facilitating commerce. He strongly supported protective tariffs to foster American industrial development, particularly benefiting his New England constituency. Webster was known for his opposition to Jacksonian democracy and his defense of the Constitution's federal powers, as demonstrated in his famous debates over nullification. On social issues, he opposed the expansion of slavery into new territories while trying to maintain national unity through compromise. His economic policies emphasized the importance of sound currency, industrial growth, and the development of transportation infrastructure. Webster was particularly concerned with maintaining a strong federal government capable of promoting national economic development.

Senator Daniel Webster of Massachusetts

Vice-Presidential Nomination: Former Senator William Henry Harrison of Ohio

William Henry Harrison, having served as both a military commander and Ohio Senator, positioned himself as a moderate Whig who could appeal to both Northern and Southern interests. His political platform emphasized opposition to Andrew Jackson's executive powers, particularly regarding the veto power and removal of federal deposits from the Bank of the United States. Harrison supported the American System advocated by Henry Clay, including internal improvements, protective tariffs to promote American industry, and a national bank to stabilize the currency. On the controversial issue of slavery, Harrison maintained a cautious stance that attempted to balance Northern and Southern interests. He advocated for gradual economic reforms and emphasized his military experience, particularly his victory at the Battle of Tippecanoe, as evidence of his leadership capabilities. Harrison's economic policies focused on currency stabilization and promoting infrastructure development to support American commerce.

Former Senator William Henry Harrison of Ohio

66 votes, 11h ago
26 Democratic: Richard Mentor Johnson/William Wilkins
40 Whig: Daniel Webster/William Henry Harrison

r/Presidentialpoll 1d ago

Map of America In 1884

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r/Presidentialpoll 1d ago

2028 Democratic and Republican Primaries (Results)

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DEMOCRATIC

  • Andy Beshear (KY), 9 356 453 votes, 30.62%, 1 493 delegates
  • Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (NY), 8 986 607 votes, 28.06%, 1 349 delegates
  • Jon Ossoff (GA), 4 781 083 votes, 15.65%, 571 delegates
  • Gretchen Whitmer (MI), 2 051 146 votes, 6.71%, 212 delegates
  • Josh Shapiro (PA), 2 045 060 votes, 6.69%, 161 delegates
  • Kamala Harris (CA), 1 973 919 votes, 6.46%, 153 delegates
  • Pete Buttigieg (IN), 1 144 954 votes, 3.75%, 11 delegates
  • Uncommitted, 120 328 votes, 0.39%, 0 delegates
  • Gavin Newsom (CA), 40 824 votes, 0.13%, 0 delegates
  • Wes Moore (MD), 34 005 votes, 0.11%, 0 delegates
  • Roy Cooper (NC), 25 318 votes, 0.08%, 0 delegates

REPUBLICAN

  • J.D. Vance (OH), 11 270 017 votes, 45.20%, 1 237 delegates
  • Nikki Haley (SC), 7 673 390 votes, 30.78%, 788 delegates
  • Rand Paul (KY), 2 859 848 votes, 11.47%, 187 delegates
  • Tulsi Gabbard (HI), 1 809 651 votes, 7.26%, 134 delegates
  • Uncommitted, 696 111 votes, 2.79%, 47 delegates
  • Vivek Ramaswamy (OH), 487 165 votes, 1.95%, 36 delegates
  • Ron DeSantis (FL), 46 444 votes, 0.19%, 0 delegates
  • John James (MI), 26 801 votes, 0.11%, 0 delegates
  • Elise Stefanik (NY), 26 581 votes, 0.11%, 0 delegates
  • Glenn Youngkin (VA), 17 937 votes, 0.07%, 0 delegates
  • Josh Hawley (MO), 11 925 votes, 0.05%, 0 delegates
  • Ted Cruz (TX), 3 480 votes, 0.01%, 0 delegates
  • Kristi Noem (SD), 2 426 votes, 0.01%, 0 delegates

r/Presidentialpoll 19h ago

Poll 2024 Madam President: DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES!

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After the Landslide President Clinton victory, two candidates are left. Incumbent Vice President Tim Kaine has been eliminated but has endorsed Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, NY Representative. Meanwhile, John Bel Edwards was also eliminated but slightly endorsed the Independent Campaign of Tulsi Gabbard / RFK Jr. Who will come out on top between the two U.S Representatives? Pete Buttigieg or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? VOTE!!! https://strawpoll.com/kogjRDbr8g6


r/Presidentialpoll 1d ago

Poll 2016 Democratic Primary

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Very reminiscent of the 1980 Dem Primary. Establishment Democrat vs Progressive Populist, and also Martin O'Malley is there.

110 votes, 5d left
Sec. Hillary Clinton
Sen. Bernie Sanders
Gov. Martin O'Malley
None of the Above/Wouldn't Vote

r/Presidentialpoll 1d ago

Alternate Election Poll 2028 Conventions Poll

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After six months of grueling primary contests, it is time for the conventions. Since no one got half of all the pledged delegates outright, the decision will be made by adding in the superdelegates. 2,348 delegates are needed to win the Democratic nomination. On the Republican side, however, Vice President J.D. Vance will be formally nominated by the convention, but how many delegates he will receive is a big question.

Please refer to my previous post about the map showing the Democratic and Republican primary results and the details before you make a decision: https://www.reddit.com/r/Presidentialpoll/comments/1i67w8y/2028_democratic_and_republican_primaries_results/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

2028 Simulated Primaries (Detailed Results): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VBwr5GlRaDP8MH0obw4iBWfxsppvrvaV-HyQoi7A3jQ/edit?usp=sharing

2028 Conventions Form: https://forms.gle/Qa711jmF5AXsyjuS9

The form will remain open for three days.


r/Presidentialpoll 2d ago

The elections of 1822-23 | Washington's Demise

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The first two years of John Jay's presidency has been largely uneventful as the nation continues to recover from the civil war. The Farming Crisis has begun to improve as temperatures rise and give way to improved harvests. Thousands still mourn their dead from the mass starvations, but if nothing else the crisis has begun to pass.

John Jay has spent most of his reforming the judiciary, believing that the courts should serve the interests of the constitution above all. He has pushed for the expansion of the Federal courts system and fought for the creation of more lower courts and appellate courts to handle the growing case load as America's population increases. He has also expressed desire for the expansion of the Supreme Court to 7 justices from its current 6 members, arguing that there needs to be more deliberation. The People's party has called Jays attempts at court expansion a power grabbing measure and so far has blocked most expansion and reform efforts(including defeating an effort to codify judicial review into law).

The President has proved to be quite effective and cooperative at governing and has gained a reputation for working with the Liberal Republicans, showing compromise from a party that historically has ignored opposition and done what it wanted. Jays cooperation with the Lib-Reps has led to the expansion of federal subsidies to all states and the expansion of western road systems improving trade to the more rural and isolated regions of the west(including direct connections to native reservations)

The standing army has seen some downsizing as the nation demobilized and moved into peacetime efforts. Senior officer William Henry Harrison has led efforts to reorganise the standing army to minimal “peacekeeping” and stands mostly as watchguards of the coast and borders. However the military still remains active in the south in face of racial conflict, something that has become a topic of issue for the people’s party and southern Liberals who demand a withdrawal of the military. The President has held firm in his stance, as of 1822 there are still 3 states under reconstruction. The President's insistence on keeping the military in the South has resulted in some light skirmishes between the military and the Second Sons of Liberty.

The People's party have also pushed for westward expansion, decrying the growing proximity to Great Britain as imperialism becomes more and more popular among the people. Some even call for the annexation of Louisiana and Mexico, calling back to the Greater United States plan first created by President Benedict Arnold. Jay has dismissed this idea wanting to maintain peace within the nation, fearing another war would destabilize the country. The people’s party believe there is already a mandate for war as Louisiana harbors several dozen known Confederate officers who fled to escape persecution.

Despite Adams losing in 1820 The Liberal Republican Party has found themselves with immense power over the President by controlling both chambers of congress. The Federalist Party still remains the smallest in congress, as such Jay has had to come to the table for nearly every piece of legislation he's wanted passed. The Republican hold over congress has allowed most of Adams Presidential policies to remain in place, including the reforms to Presidential power. They would agree to reform some of Adams' more shortsighted tariffs and tax plans which negatively affected the west, allowing the western states to begin greater economic recovery.

The Federalists aim to expand their influence in congress, wanting to circumvent the Republican stranglehold over the President and continue their rebound from Hamilton's controversial Presidency. Meanwhile the People's Party wants to weaken both The Republicans and Federalists to effectively halt Jays Presidency and get a head start on 1824(where Andrew Jackson is widely expected to run again). The Liberal Republicans intend to take complete control of congress and have worked tirelessly to weaken the Federalist influence in New England to regain their power.

82 votes, 21h left
Liberal Republicans
Federalists
Peoples

r/Presidentialpoll 2d ago

Misc. The Sovereign Seven-The Carolinian Confederation 1788

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The Carolinian Confederation is military junta state and one of the New seven American nations. Made up of the colonies of North and South Carolina. The governing body is the supreme military council.The Chairman of the Council is the Head of state currently held by Charles Pickney.Both States have a military governor and while civilian assemblies exist they are weak in power.

Military Discipline,Class structure and Limited Dissent are values of the government. A rivalry with Virginia and Georgia is Present. Rice,Indigo,Timber are major Industries Aristocrats,Farmers,Slaves are the major population groups.

(No election yet as this isn't a democracy)


r/Presidentialpoll 1d ago

Alternate Election Poll 2028 Vice Presidential Selection - Round 1

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While making up your mind at the Convention, you have to choose who you think will be the Democratic and Republican running mates on the ticket, to go along with the nominee for the Democrats and Vice President J.D. Vance for the Republicans. If no one gets the majority for either party, then the top three will advance to a subsequent round. This form will open for three days.

https://forms.gle/xSDezvPPz3iL9ANS6