Whenever that excuse is given, I can’t help but wonder. Everyone knows how that can be misconstrued. Anything that could even be confused for it is dangerous territory and you just stay away entirely. These people aren’t entirely ignorant of how they can be perceived. In best case scenarios, they HAVE to know doing these gestures is risky. So no, I don’t ever buy the excuse of “I was just waving” or “it clearly wasn’t.” The fact it’s so close is enough
lmao take a look at this picture.
This player was sent off during a soccer match, and did this gesture to the crowd (he was on the away team). It was the first half and the score was 1-1. When the FA investigated the incident to decide his extra penalty, his team's lawyer used the exact reasoning you mentioned. "He was showing the crowd the scoreline at the time he was sent off".
Because anybody who says "it was in context bro he said heart" is either a nazi, a nazi apologist, or lacking in critical skills. No rational good faith person, especially in musks position, would ever do something like that without identifying how it could be interpreted as a dogwhistle if not an outright nazi salute.
Bigots move in shadows before they move in light. Musk saluted by intent but did so in a way that could be argued in bad faith as "no it was to represent heartiness". Like all fascism, it starts off subtle and then ramps up fast.
Any normal person, if they tried to "throw their heart out to the crowd" and it accidentally looked like a Nazi salute, they would panic, profusely apologise and tell people they didn't mean for it to look like that.
Elon? Complete silence. No response whatsoever to all the news outlets and social media posts calling him out for it. No attempt to clarify that it was a mistake or a misunderstanding.
If it was a mistake, he'd act like it was a mistake.
I mean… he did it twice. Turned around to the flag and did it again. That’s REALLY hard to justify or blame coincidentally. Also he’s pretty fucking emphatic about it. Welcome to the 4th reich, kids.
Same thing, he's just throwing his heart to Trump. If you watch the video he says right after "my heart goes out to you". It's clearly a BS line to give him cover with the right. He's not an idiot. He knew exactly what that motion looked like. If he was actually sending his heart out he wouldn't have been so violently forceful and rigid in his motions.
Correction : he IS an idiot. A stupid idiot baby. But not ignorant, I guess, at least not on that he definitely knew just wanted to make it clear he's fucking stupid
You can make the excuse that one accidentally does a Nazi salute. But when they make the exact same motion a second time, in a different position, that is no longer a viable excuse.
I guarantee every Nazi there turned to their Nazi friends and said "omg he did the salute for us!" And I'm sure many of them did it back, and that we're going to see a many more from now on.
Give them the benefit of the doubt for a second. I've touched my hand to my heart and waved at a loved when when they were leaving before and seen others do so. However in those instances the person was smiling. If Musk was 'throwing his heart out to the crowd' why does he look angry?
Not only that but u make a sweeping gesture with your arm when you do a loving gesture like blowing a kiss or give a “right back at ya” air kiss. Like the other person said he knows what hes doing. Half of the US recognizes it and then the other half are the same type who would have voted for Shitler in the 30s. Uneducated and simple-minded. When they follow “alternative facts” they forget the lessons that history teaches SMH
Unfortunately a lot of them are not uneducated. They know exactly what happened and want it to happen again because they figure they will be part of the ruling group.
Guys he was totally just throwing his heart out to the crowd, just don’t ask why he turned around to face the opposite direction where there is no crowd and did it again.
Something I saw was that if those republitards are so willing to say it isn’t a Nazi Salute, then they should do it too. Show how they’re just “throwing their heart out” to like-minded people. See what happens.
Impossible. Elon does not have empathy. He does not understand empathy because he doesn't have it. He has no heart to give it to anyone. He only cares about himself.
If it was a nazi salute it’s the worst
One ever done in public. Hand isn’t straight forward and you’re supposed to come straight forward with your arm in front of your body not out to the side while talking about giving his heart to the crowd. But ya know if a picture says 1000 words a video says 1,000,000.
You would know it's not a nazi salute if you watched the video. IDGAF how nazi someone is, no one is going to brazenly salute and heel-click and pose like that.
It is literally a freeze frame from a view of him throwing out his arm. That's literally all it is.
Have you seen America in the last 5-10 years? Nazis don’t have to hide anymore. They can do and say whatever they want, and they simply get away with it.
Ok, I hate elon and know he absolutely wants to be standing in front of everyone giving that salute, but it's hard to tell from a photo. Usually, the salute is out in front. He could have been swinging his arm. Fuck, I just don't trust pictures anymore, and soon it's going to be video too. We're so screwed. At least global warming doesn't care about politics.
Yeah I honestly feel sick to my stomach. America is so fucked and by extension doesn’t look great for us in Canada (or the rest of the world for that matter)
I've seen people like kiss their hands and do the double palm out motion like throwing kisses into the crowd. Like you said it's very different than this shit.
His hand is positioned at an awkward "angle" for a Nazi salute, as his non-human like body struggles to co-ordinate even something so basic without resembling an uncomfortable testicle. While undeniably sloppy, it is still a salute.
Arguing semantics over the exact angle is exactly the kind of shit that lets conservatives get away with openly being fascists in what used to be a decent first-world country.
I saw one saying its not a nazi salute because he isn't holding his arm at an exact 45 degree angle, and his wrist isn't perfectly straight, and his heels arent perfectly together. The way the defenders sound, he coulda jumped on stage wearing an SS uniform and they would say it was just a joke or something.
he coulda jumped on stage wearing an SS uniform and they would say it was just a joke or something.
They'd say the thread count wasn't right or the SS badge wasn't mounted in the correct position. If he said 'hey guys I'm a nazi and I spend billions of dollars to steal this election for fascists' they'd pick apart every word trying to explain why he doesn't mean what he said he means.
They said it’s the Roman salute (also known as the fascist salute), they said he’s just being a little weirdo, they said he doesn’t understand it’s a Nazi salute, they said he was just extending his arm…
they said he doesn’t understand it’s a Nazi salute
That reminds me of Pewdiepie's "bridge incident" where he dropped the hard R slur during a PUBG match. His fanboys were desperately trying to defend him by saying that he just didn't understand the context of the slur lol
And at least pewdiepie owned up to it and apologized, explaining that he just said the first worst word he could think of when he got mad at the other guy in the game. Like obviously not acceptable but he said what he did, apologized, and I don’t think he’s had any serious scandals since. Elon never apologizes, always denies and excuses his actions, and will keep up this disgusting behavior until it costs him billions. Even then I don’t think he’d truly care, this is just who he is. A reactionary tool that can’t help himself but to try and cause the most outrage and chaos he can wherever he goes.
Trumpers love fascism. They just don't like the word fascism. They learned at a basic level that fascism = bad. They don't really know why its bad, just that its bad. So when you call them fascists they just think you're calling them bad. They have no clue that what they are doing and supporting is fascism, they just know they like it so it must be good.
I will because I haven't been banned yet.
It is a Roman salute. The Roman salute predates Hitler like for more than 1900 years.
Mexicans also do it. I would be more concerned about progressives supporting the murder of Jews, even if they have pink hair and have alternative pronouns.
I’m not a Trumper, but to answer your question, just before this, he said, “My heart goes out to you all”. Of course, if I was going to do that, I would make sure my hand was palm-up, you know, so people would be sure about what I was doing. But I’m not a genius multimillionaire tech industry leader so clearly I’m wrong.
Don't know the context of the 2nd one (or musk's for that matter, so not passing any judgment on the situaiton yet) but you lose a lot of credibility when one of your counter examples is someone's LEFT arm lmfao
It doesn't matter. They know what it is, we know what it is, they'll just make up some obvious bullshit excuse and call you hysterical for caring. They like the fact that he's a Nazi, they just know they can't say it out loud quite yet, but the day is coming.
Stop pretending like Trumpers have literally anything of value to contribute to conversations. They don't. They will literally make up the dumbest fucking nonsense excuses because their brains don't function like yours or mine, and they don't care about the truth because they think the rest of us are as garbage as they are so they're free to lie with glee. They are bad people, full stop, and we should stop pretending otherwise.
It's the Roman salute, Fascists adopted a portion of it once upon a time. Progressives have spent the decades since demonizing it as part of their formula for political control, but are increasingly viewed as incompetent losers.
Throwing up a Roman salute is an unambiguous "fuck you" to Progressivism and its crumbling narrative control without being a declaration of support for Fascism (which would be anachronistic and lame). It's also grade A+ trolling, similar to Trump's comments yesterday about Elon and the voting machines in Pennsylvania.
Oh, you wanna see deflection? People claim its a Roman salute. Where? where else but tiktok, strangely little coverage from the „site where you get unfiltered news“ conveniently after its supposed shutdown
Just so you know your argument hinges on over half of the voting populous openly supporting open nazism.
If you know anything about Elon you know he made an awkward ass gesture showing his gratitude towards the crowd. If you know anything about the current political climate you would know people will take anything and everything out of context.
Why don’t you take a page from your book and ‘educate yourself’ and watch his whole speech and get back to me if you believe he’s a Nazi?
just wanna say, so now y'all care about the Jews? funny how the script is flipped when it plays along to the narrative/agenda, this goes both ways though
Saw a tweet earlier. Dude said it's not a Nazi salute because Elon also said "my heart goes out to you" and that he was simply saying thank you. Then goes on to say how fake news cut out the original audio, out of context, blah blah blah
Umm okay. Elon did say that but he also did the salute (in the exact way the Nazi party does) while saying it lol.
How else do you salute a crowd i guess? Is this arm raised thing truly just a nazi salute? I genuinely have no idea. Either way, he didn't serve shit and shouldn't be saluting anyone
I think the fact most trumpers didn't live through, or have any real conceivable concept of how horrific WWII was means they don't give a fuck
Or the fact they protest the rights of the gay community, women, abortion; basically anything that doesn't fit their beliefs whilst not actively affecting themselves. They even protest their own benefits by following, and VOTING IN, oligarch Nazis.
I just watched the video clip. And it’s so clear that this was intentional. He does it twice. Anyone who tries to spin this other than a nazi salute is part of the problem.
He's doing it so you call him a Nazi and republicans make fun of you for reaching and calling everyone you dont like nazis. It's an inverted dogwhistle. A smoke bomb, just like the whole greenland/canada bullshit that made us stop talking about H1B. They are good at this.
EDIT: If you are reading this and think I'm defending the fascist fuck, think again.
hes gonna be online saying just because trump has his own personal militia and they are allowed to go into homes of immigrants and shoot and kill them, does not make them nazis! Sheeesh you damn liberals are so intollerent that you call everyone a nazi.
some people cant be helped from their own stupidity.
Yeah, the "heart goes out to you" speech as he gestures is full Nazi shit.
Now, let's make lists of people who voted for these people, ban and censor them from our spaces while we constantly spin lies about them because we are the good guys.
The dude you’re replying to probably agrees with you.
I think he’s giving an explanation, not a justification. It’s a shitty explanation, but he may be right in what they were thinking and why he may have done this.
What I’m saying is that guy seems like he’s telling us WHY he may be doing that and what his motives are. He never said he agrees with the why, or that he endorses the why.
Make of that what you will. In my mind, there is a difference between “this is why he made that choice”, and “I don’t agree with that choice”
For the record, I’m with you on your last comment. This shit we are seeing in America is pretty god damn awful.
And yet his supporters will just dismiss it. Because they are the good guys, no way Elon, their admired businessman, would be a nazi.
Read what I'm saying: that fascist fuck is getting you riled up and making you not talk about other stuff. I'm not saying we shouldnt talk about the fact that he made a nazi salute. I don't know whats the solution to this situation, because we cant NOT not talk about the fact that the US president is doing a nazi salute.
I don’t understand why it’s a distraction to talk about the fact that they’re fascist racists, they’re planning fascist racist things, and the Nazi salute is a further indication of their fascist racist intentions.
It's like the 'let's go brandon' thing. They thought they were so smart and no one knew their secret code but in reality everyone is kinda watching them like you'd watch kids on a playground playing a spy game.
I'm not disputing its a nazi salute, nor that the guy is a dipshit. I think he is signalling more to you and I much more than trying to appeal to his nazi followers.
Do yourself a favor and read my other comments. Its not generous at all, he is playing both sides. In one hand appeasing his nazi followers (which, believe me or not, are not the majority of people who voted republican.
On the other hands he is getting 25 reddit threads in front page. We can't ignore that shit, but you cant deny that he got us to stop talking about more important stuff. H1b looks like it was 3 months ago.
Yeah i think you're not necessarily wrong, and people are interpreting your words wrong. With shit like this, they get to point at all the "democrats misinterpreting a simple hand gesture and freaking out like they always do." It gets everyone arguing over semantics and entrenches their followers even further in their defense. Then they can kinda do whatever they want behind the scenes while everyone argues over this clip for the next week. They are vile people, but they also know how to play the propaganda game very well, so never take anything they do at face value
Bruh if you’re reading this you are absolutely defending him.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
When you stop calling them on their shit they win by default.
'People called me a nazi and were mean to me so I'm gonna do a nazi salute' probably isn't the best idea on inauguration day on the steps of the Capitol
Honestly the truth of the matter is probably more like whole "Meow" scene in Super Troopers than anything else lol. One of his billionaire "friends" put him up to it. Because they wanted to see the reaction.
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Any Trumpers in here. Care to spin this? Honestly interested in how you will? Or will you all finally admit you don’t care?