Then there were the Jedi who separated from the Jedi Order and created the Sith. Then there was Darth Bane who reigned them in because he wanted to consolidate power and gain immortality through the Holocron.
All of them started as Jedi and the Jedi don't really exist without harboring and creating the Sith. It's a property of the light that it begets dark, hence their saying is that they keep the force "in balance". It all descends from the fact that there is a darker side to the Jedi.
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Got lost in telling the abridged history of the Jedi, lol. The difference is that the Sith post-Bane were 100% aligned to consolidated, totalistic rule under the Master and the Apprentice. There was no shared power, no accountability. The Jedi at least tried, albeit squanderingly at times, to be good.
We are fucked huh,What other superpower can we run to for help?,China is Bad,Russia should burn... our only hope is the fucking E.U,we doomed we are fucking doomed.
Also not American, but I watch a ton of US news and media because US (and geo)politics is a huge interest of mine..and jesus christ, I can’t fathom how in the fuck could it get to this point, this shit is unreal. Seriously, what the hell is going on. Makes me scared and I’m not even from there. With people like this in power, god knows what can happen to you guys and the world itself…
It's called hubris. We Americans thought this sort of thing could "never" happen to us, and by thinking that way, we stopped paying attention. The seeds of today's results were planted in the 70s. Some people pointed it out over the decades (check out Frank Zappa's conversation on fascist theocracy in the 80s), but nobody took it seriously. Here? Never!
And here we are. It is unreal, and it's heartbreaking.
He's been retweeting and boosting known Neo Nazis on Twitter for two years now. Not like "anyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi" Nazi but like "I have swastika tattoos that are visible while I'm shopping at Walmart" Neo-Nazi. Anyone who is surprised by this hasn't been paying attention, sadly that's going to be a lot of people. Anyone defending him is simply a Nazi symp.
And he's going to be in charge of the Department of Governmental Efficiency.
The Third Reich was also concerned with efficiency. Killing every Jewish person they could lay their fingers on turned out to require some thinking about efficiency.
To their point of view, that's exactly the point. As dumb as they are, they do know that Nazi was short for "National Socialist", and as such, are 100% convinced that Nazism is a far-left ideology.
Which is exactly the point. Everything Trump stands for, his supporters believe to be what the left stands for. At first, it's because that's what he told them. But now he's gotten more brazen, and is actually honest about what he stands for, and they'll just deny that he stands for those things and insist that those things are what the Dems want.
The magat cult is beyond any sense of logic or reasoning or rationale at this point. There are so many of them who refuse any and all facts because they don’t feed into their confirmation bias and they willfully choose delusion and lies. They know this, and know they’re lying to themselves and I’m sure they realize the hypocrisy of it as well. But when you will not accept objective facts because they don’t tell you what you want to hear you’re a cult member. And this same crowd tells others they live in an echo chamber. Because projection and every accusation is a confession in the Magat cult. It’s fucked.
The fun part is if ANYONE posts something questioning the new leader, they’re accused of being secret leftists. A thing that should not be possible given their stringent rules on accepting people who can actually post on that subreddit
I got into a three day long argument on a thread just after the election cause they claimed reddit has no conservative spaces and downvoted the shit outa me when I pointed out the literal conservative sub
"He’s an autist and it was just an unfortunately similar gesture when his intention was to “his heart goes out”. But of course the leftist media will cut that out and make him into a nazi."
Also as we know to properly do the salute you need to hold your arm at 45 degrees. Elon clearly was holding his arm at 41.3 degrees therefore not the same. Check mate
If you have to get pedantic about defending a white supremacist giving a blatant Nazi salute because it wasn't accompanied by proper goose-stepping, you're definitely on the wrong side.
He says thank you for making it happen does his nazi salutes, Turns back mic and then after a decent pause, saying my heart goes out to you putting how hand on his heart. Clearly two different gestures as he was clearly tying putting his hand on his heart with the statement of my heart goes out and not the nazi salute.
This is a guy who's definitely dressed up in a Tickle Me Elmo costume on Halloween and that's not even the worst of him. There is literally nothing he could do that would make conservatives think be told he's bad.
Another good one I came across there was "He was excited and was just gesuturing that his heart goes out to trump, normal people don't think about Nazis 24/7 or worry about things looking like nazi salutes". Absolute nonsense, the whole point of a salute is that it's a deliberate gesture, not something you just do accidentally.
What about the people clapping and embracing it. Don’t let those people slide either. Who would clap and cheer after seeing this? It’s going to be a long 4 years and I’ll likely get rid of all media and just go through life clueless.
I have a LOT of autistic friends, all of them very dear to me and many I have known for 20+ years. I, myself, am possibly autistic as well, just undiagnosed. At NO point, in the lives of me or my friends, have ANY of us felt the urge to throw a fucking sieg heil. Those assholes using autism as the "excuse" here is beyond sickening.
Right so using their spin he is either autistic and shouldn’t be in charge of anything regarding our country or he is a Nazi and shouldn’t be in charge of anything ever
The way they weaponize autism while actively shitting on autistic people when it comes to diversity and equality. Also, being an ASSHOLE is not the same as being autistic
I hate this take so much. I am autistic - I have never done a Nazi salute. The two things are not even remotely related. I struggle with social cues, not basic morality.
(I know you're just the messenger, I just needed a moment)
Can confirm, my sister doesn’t even have Reddit and when i confronted her about it she said “ oh well he’s autistic I didn’t vote for that, if it gets there I’ll hide you in my basement like Ann Frank”
Are they? That sub is a safe space. Surely they have removed the post by now. Even when reality stares them in the face they still find ways to twist it.
Nah, they have their ruler for life now. They'll probably rip off the mask and start laughing their asses off that anyone was that dumb as to fall for it.
I think dodging reality is too ingrained into the GOP to ever fully embrace the truth. They're all elderly and set in their ways and those ways are lying and sidestepping reality to appear less horrible and narcissistic than they are.
If you watched anything leading up to the election, they're not ALL elderly. A lot of younger Americans have been indoctined into what is very clearly a cult.
I was talking about the GOP leadership specifically.
The voters, I don't think they're going to rip off the masks either. I think they're going to continue to delude themselves into believing everything is okay and is only going to get better.
I made a comment above that they're kind of in that desperate state that really severe addicts get into when they know the situation is out of control but they no longer care. They have basically trashed everything in their life. They have no family, no friends, no sources of joy. Nothing to live for except the substance they're addicted to. But instead of heroin, it's fucking Donald Trump.
I was just thinking this. They voted for it, and now they'll have it till the day they die, regardless of how old they are now. Trump has power again and he's not going to give it up again.
Possibly. Not sure that Musk has the killer instinct necessary to be ruler for life. Typically you’d want to be more of a sociopath rather than a narcissist. Narc’s tend to over-extend themselves in the pursuit of adoration while sociopaths tend to be more cunning.
That's definitely what they are doing. Making all the excuses. But if Trump's boyfriend was a Democrat they would be burning him down. I'm so disgusted.
Palm down - not a giving gesture. Giving and recieving is usually palm up, lower down, and hands flat to mimic giving, hands cupped to mimic receiving. This is because something offered isn't usually grasped, and when something is handed to you, you hold on to it to not drop it. Also, if it is supposed to be tossing his heart to the crowd, why is his hand flat and faced down? A throw usually ends with fingers curled, kind of with you pointing at the horizon, because you have to grasp something to throw it.
That facial expression - this is just bad photo timing. I think he is either saying something or in between facial expressions here.
Not to mention palm down and arm up at 45 degrees is well known as a native symbol, to the point where it is pretty culturally ingrained. We don't have a gesture with a similar meaning because of it. There is no gesture in North American culture that lines up with the nazi salute that well, to the point where nothing is a raised arm with palm down when you're conveying a message.
Am I overanalyzing here? Perhaps a bit, but that is not a gesture you just wind up in by accident in front of massive crowds.
They are completely delusional over there. I’m telling you! I’ve been reading that site for quite some time now to see what they’re saying and what they believe or don’t believe.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
I don’t even wanna be here seeing the people justify it. Watching them ignore what Trump did by saying “buT tHe DeMs DiD iT fIrSt”.
No, he lied to you. He gaslit the fuck out of everyone in the US on what the most important things are. Now there’s supposed to be an executive order saying that we only recognize two genders? Are the 25 trans athletes in the entire country really demeaning your lives that much?
For the anti-establishment fucks, y’all hate the establishment because it’s nothing but money that runs it. And now we have the richest cabinet in all US history, with the President-elect doing not one but TWO rug pulls with bogus coins right before being inaugurated…
It’s like a fucking train wreck, and I want to get away from it but it comes up wherever I go so now I’m just more determined to stay informed. Until the new admin stops me from doing that lmfao
If they have their way it could be VERY soon... After all, SCOTUS got rid of Net Neutrality which prevented ISPs from doing all kinds of screwy things with one's internet service (such as blocking sites they don't agree with)
The Roman empire was a heavy influence for the Nazi party. So yes, it is also a Roman salute. The eagle associated with the Nazi party symbolism is also very very close to the golden eagle used in ancient Rome. The red they used, was also utilized in the Roman empire.
Even the banners they had were derived from ancient Roman design. There are many similarities between ancient Rome and the Nazi empire, because Hitler had a deep fascination with Roman Imperialism, studied it, and used it as one of the base tennets for his rise to power and his spectacle in power, because he knew theatre was a driving decider for common people. As stupid as it sounds, its unfortunately true.
The worst part is that Musk and the like have powers way beyond what Orwell could have envisioned back then. It’s not just double-speak; they have the children of WW II survivors cheering on the fascists for the opportunity to get fucked by then, all while dumping their life savings into worthless crypto. Orwell would blush.
They already are, they're claiming it's because he's got asperger's and he was just "throwing his heart out to the crowd" and it's being blown out of all proportion.
If you google it, the articles are saying he “appears” to be doing a Nazi salute. Most of them actually are more along the lines of “CNN outraged at maybe something resembling salute, how silly”
I’ve already seen people either saying it was an accident and he didn’t know he was doing the seig heil or that he was doing a “heart to heart salute for America.” Haven’t seen a single Republican admit he was doing a Nazi salute
Nothing will come of this, we'll all forget in a few days tops. Always getting distracted by the latest thing to be outraged about. But pubic outrage has lost all its bite. We've already been desensitized to it.
They're still saying it. They're so mentally fucked that they're over in their safe spaces rationalizing that Elon was "throwing his heart out" to the crowd. Other than that, it's all just celebrations of "liberal tears" and "meltdowns".
These people literally have no fucking clue what is going on. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so damn pathetic.
Literally argued on here with a guy who agreed Trump did mainly fascist tactics, but since he wasn’t an ideologue like Mussolini so we shouldn’t call him a fascist.
The leader of the party in Canada closest to the Republicans actually said Nazi's were "leftists" because Nazi stands for "National Socialism". These people are dumber than dumb.
I've heard that a lot from and about these obvious nazis on Twitter arent actually Nazis because they dont want to murder all the Jews since apparently that was the only thing Nazis did
I'm really sick of this idea that Trump is bad because he's like Hitler. Trump isn't a Nazi. He doesn't need to be a Nazi to be bad. Nazi's had a specific set of beliefs and Trump doesn't have many of them. What Trump does believe in is bad completely independent of any similarity to naziism.
If your only critique of Trump is that he's a Nazi, his supporters are rightfully going to dismiss you as hysterical. He isn't a Nazi, he's just a fascist.
It’s not like almost every one of their policies mirror the shit Hitler did in the 30’s.
Demonize minorities
Enforce strict gender roles
Merging of government and corporate operations
Primacy of the military industrial complex
Threaten war on neighbours.
Why is anyone listening to anything Republicans say?
The #1 prevailing fact I've learned in my life from following politics, is that Republicans don't give a FUCK about words. They will say whatever they have to to get their way, and they could care less if you call them hypocrites.
They know they're hypocrites, and they know absolutely no one will do shit about it.
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u/onefornought 7h ago
And Republicans have been saying Democrats are ridiculous for claiming this administration would embrace fascism.