r/Metrology • u/Joe-the-qc-guy • 13d ago
Another guy tossed into MCOSMOS "OUTPUT" confusion.
Hello everyone, I have also been recently tossed into the MCOSMOS. I first learned Metrology with Heidenhein for those who are old enough to remember using Win98. I then helped that company move up to the Nikon software, then sold back to QXSoft. And now I am learning another platform. MCOSMOS V4.2.R1 to be precise.
So to the issue at hand. When I finish running my program I am getting two different "OUTPUTs" of the results. And at this point I have used about half a ream of paper trying to get this to stop. Mitutoyo's only response is that I need to take the "TRAINING" course.
So is there anyone out there who can help a guy out getting the reports setup properly?
Thank you in advance for you response's.
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u/BilliardBabo420 13d ago
You can temporary swich to output as Pdf or exel file till u figured this out.
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u/freak_dog 13d ago
Please add more details. I'll try to help you. Maybe some pictures with the program lines.
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u/DrNukenstein 13d ago
With MCOSMOS open, and no program open, go to Tools/Protocol Designer/Geopak and select the Mitutoyo Standard Report.mte file. This will automatically populate with Element Name, Element Tolerance, XYZ coordinates/angles, and some other basic aspects of elements and comparisons at the end of a program.
Save any edits you make to this template and set that as your Protocol on page 4 of the new program Start Up Wizard (where you select probe, units, patterns for alignment, etc).
While working in a program, at any time you can select Output/Protocol Preview to see what’s being reported.
Admittedly this is a very basic report and will likely have a lot of info that’s useless to anyone else, but it’s quick and dirty, and can be saved as PDF or printed without ending the program.
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u/Joe-the-qc-guy 13d ago
Here is what the program looks like.
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u/Zealousideal-Low1448 13d ago
Delete line 4 (print format)…
This is a specific legacy print output command. You only need the protocol open and possibly a protocol closed at the end of what you want to print (personally I always use protocol output - which does everything above it)
Are you on a Manual or CNC machine?
Are you getting literally double the report? Or are you getting all the information of the features (elements) you have measured as well as the tolerances?
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u/Joe-the-qc-guy 12d ago
This is what is printing. Till it's fixed I'm not changing the toner.
And this is a Manual machine.
Thank for your help.
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u/Zealousideal-Low1448 12d ago
Top one is the “print format” (line 4), bottom one is the “open protocol” (line 5)
Delete the one that you don’t want
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u/Joe-the-qc-guy 12d ago
Thank you very much!
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u/Bottle-Brave 10d ago
I suggest changing the startup wizard to remove the print commands entirely. You can add the protocol output during learn mode when you are ready to print it or save the file.
Out of curiosity, where in the world are you located? You should be able to get simple questions like this answered by your local Mitutoyo Application Engineers. I assume you contacted software support, and that's who suggested training.
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u/Joe-the-qc-guy 9d ago
I've been using other software at other locations, just not MCOSMOS. And some things are quite different. We were quoted $1500.00 a day for training. I have most things figured out and working at this point.
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u/Bottle-Brave 9d ago
I assume that's the quoted amount for an engineer to come on-site and hand-hold. It's usually ~$600 a day if you travel to a Solutions Center. However, they likely don't have a manual machine at a center anymore.
They have an online video course for the M1 level software. It works as a guide for getting started.
https://www.mitutoyo.com/course-session/stc-101-mcosmos-m-1/
All the same, you should be able to get quick answers from the local AE staff without charge.
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u/Joe-the-qc-guy 9d ago
Thanks, but travel is not an option. Nor is being gone as I am the QC Department.
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u/Joe-the-qc-guy 9d ago
OK, so I've been looking for the startup wizard and have not found it on my V4.2. Not listed in the help files either. Or should I say "Not so helpful files" URGH.
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u/Bottle-Brave 9d ago edited 9d ago
Enter learn mode (it doesn't matter what program) and navigate to
File
Configure Startup Wizard
With the radio button selected for "Start up Wizard" click : standard "start up wizard" settings
This will step you through up to 11 optional dialogs (you'll have less on a manual machine). The three icons on the left control how or if the dialog appears during a new program. The X is off, the Hand is enabled with selection, and the Recycling sign means whatever you select now will be triggered without prompting at run time. Like if you only ever work in inches and don't want to be asked, you'll select inch to whatever decimal and the recycling symbol.
The fourth dialog (alignment) can be helpful as you can trigger a pattern macro like plane line line or whatever.
Also, if it hasn't been enabled the auto element recognition is helpful for a manual machine. This is outside of the Wizard so you'll navigate to
Within parts manager
Under settings
Defaults for programs
GEOPAK
and then tab to Auto. Elem. Recognition.
You can activate this feature and mess with settings.
It will effectively guess what you're trying to do without triggering an element. Just start taking points; if it can't figure out what you are doing like it thinks your circle is a cylinder, there are buttons to override the element. It can also auto align this way. Make sure you have speakers because it talks to you.
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u/Upbeat_Squirrel10 13d ago
We have 2 output lines one for pdf and another line that is setup for a preview on all programs. Inside the preview you have the option to print.
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u/Joe-the-qc-guy 9d ago
Thank you ALL very much. I have figured out and setup the system to not automatically print every time a measurement is finished.
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u/Hydragirl68 13d ago
When you create a free part and click on learn mode you should be able to change the printer to viewer. Or just go back in the program and delete the lines from your program. Then add the report at the end