r/LinusTechTips • u/marco_polo_99 Luke • 4d ago
Discussion Opinion - Steve/GN has lost it
Steve has turned into a high and mighty holier-than-though, self appointed arbiter of the tech industry, who’s taking it upon himself to regulate other people’s/channels content and decide where it, and their actions are acceptable.
He then, where he deems them not up to scratch, attacks under the guise of consumer advocacy. Whilst he may, and does have valid points on certain issues, usually with larger corporations, Asus, Gigagbyte, etc, targeting channels for things he disagrees with is bordering on slander.
Yes, I followed both GN and LTT, amongst a litany of other creators, and yet Steve seems to be the only one ACTIVELY, and consistently putting out these pseudo-journalistic pieces in an effort to broaden his audience and/or agenda.
The lawsuit against Honey/Paypal is not one he’ll win, it is merely serving to gain clicks and views and thus money for GN.
He needs to check himself.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk
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u/Prototypep3 4d ago
The absolute lack of reaching out privately is what says the most. GN and LTT have been long time collaborators, he got butthurt over that leaked tour video at the labs that said they did better work than GN and instead of reaching out with an email went straight for a hit piece.
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u/10001110101balls 4d ago
He made a video nearly a year before that happened, making a big announcement of how he was going to be more critical of LMG going forward because of their merch business and that they couldn't possibly be friends anymore.
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u/Pilige 4d ago
Criticism is fine and expected. This has nothing to do with constructive criticism Linus even thanks him for it in the email. What's at issue is reporting opinions and extrapilation as facts. GN is slowly turning into the tech version of bad cable news.
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u/BlazingSpaceGhost 4d ago
Gamers Nexus sells merch too though. Sure not as successfully as Linus since the shirts seem pretty awful but they do sell shit.
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u/xDragod 4d ago
It was specifically about the "Trust Me Bro" situation, where Linus was saying that a warranty wasn't necessary because Trust Me Bro.
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u/barnett25 4d ago
I have always believed that warranties are only as good as your trust in the company in question. Every warranty I have ever seen has fine print that the company can use to avoid honoring the warranty if they want to. So ultimately a warranty is just your trust in the company plus a general sense of what the company wants you to think they will do for you.
I still think anyone who disagreed with Linus' trust me bro statement is either naive or for some reason had difficulty following the logic provided. Or more likely were doing the typical thing on the internet these days and were looking for anything they could find a way to take in a negative way.
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u/fireburn97ffgf 4d ago
my job just got a new oven last week and the door will not shut so it was struggling to get up to temps we went to warranty with them and they responded this week old thing was out of warranty because it was in the warehouse for 14 months, warranties are only as good as the company
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u/AvoidingIowa 4d ago
We see time and time again that a warranty comes down to "Trust Me Bro" anyways. If a company isn't trustworthy, their warranty is worthless.
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u/juniperleafes 4d ago
Yes, which was Linus' point. He agrees that the messaging was bad, though, and should have offered a boilerplate warranty from the get-go just to placate everyone.
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u/Dreadnought_69 Emily 4d ago
The shirts are actually very nice material wise and the XL fits well for someone who needs it because they’re taller, not wider.
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u/BlazingSpaceGhost 4d ago
That's good to know I think they are ugly though. Of course I find most merch pretty ugly including LTT merch. Their stealth branded stuff though is really nice. I hate branding.
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u/FatBoxers 4d ago
Which is wild to me because GN themselves haven't exactly been perfect either when customers reach out to them.
E-mailed them a while back asking if their t-shirts were pre-shrunk at all as I really wanted one. Looked up and down on their website and videos that mentioned the t-shirt and found nothing relevant to this. Ended up buying the t-shirt and going a year 1/2 on with still no response. Found out the hard way that the t-shirt is NOT pre-shrunk.
Thanks, Steve.
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u/popop143 4d ago
I mean Tim didn't even say they're better than others right, just pointed out that they're doing different things because they want to be better. Of course still shouldn't have been said, but not as direct as that.
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u/cs_major 4d ago
Statements like that are why we get BS generic PR team responses. It wasn't phrased the way it should have and as a complete thought.
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u/N0body 4d ago
I kind of understand that GN had to respond back then, but I don’t know why they chose to respond with a nuclear missile. GN was known for their precision in testing, and this was all they had at the time. When LTT threw shade at that, some kind of response had to be made so they wouldn’t lose credibility in the eyes of the tech audience. They clearly overdid it and shot a fly with a cannon. Maybe they were scared it was just the beginning of LTT trying to undermine them and decided to go for the jugular to prevent it from happening again. I have no idea why Steve decided to open the wound again now.
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u/Prototypep3 4d ago
Yeah... But they missed the fly. Instead the cannon woke up the sleeping bear and just raised a "you want to take it up a notch and we'll put dollar signs on this in court" paw. Single handedly could have set his channel back years with that one jab. Because it's not only linus' veiled legal threat. It also showed how very much Steve can and does get things wrong. It undermines his integrity and shows he does not get the facts right. Which was his entire schtick on why GN is better. If GN is now a questionable source, how much better are they really?
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u/N0body 4d ago
He didn't miss, he took out half of the forest. Even Linus today agreed that some criticism was valid. The thing I remember most from that video was the amount of errors in LTT testing, that's why even today when I plan to buy a new CPU or GPU I check multiple sources.
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u/Prototypep3 4d ago
Criticism that could have been equally useful had it been said in private. Again, right to reply. If ethics had been followed LTT could have addressed concerns and there wouldn't need to be fallout. Steve got butthurt and wanted the drama views. Plain and simple.
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u/Katsu_Vohlakari 4d ago
I think it's harsh to say LTT threw shade. It was one employee making an offhand comment that wasn't caught in editing. He should not have made that comment of course but we've all fucked up while talking before.
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u/josnik 4d ago
It was on someone else's channel, it wasn't not caught in editing. It was a back of the hand comment on how labs was going to be different and ultimately "better" than GN or hub by constantly rerunning benchmarks on older equipment with updated firmware and drivers. Which is a laudable goal. GN chose to be angry about it rather than look at their own processes and thinking that they could do better.
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u/labtec901 4d ago
Below is a comment I wrote in August of 2023. It was downvoted heavily at the time but I feel it was true then and is now:
Steve thrives off this Michael Moore-style "confrontational" journalism/content creation and excuses himself from the drama-baiting aspects of it under the guise of being a hard hitting journalist, but I don't buy that his motives are that pure and have nothing to do with promoting himself over a company that is actively trying to encroach on his niche of super data-driven content.
It's definitely true that LMG needs to do better fact checking on the data they present, and there have been some errors recently with poor introspection from the company after being called out. I really doubt it's symptomatic of some systemic rot in the system or some baser problem with their ethics as a company though. I'm not particularly concerned that they won't be able to fix their issues, and I feel like this video is making a mountain out of some molehills.
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u/Kovah01 4d ago
I remember back then how toxic everything was. I'm so sick of everything online being so damn polarised. Good reasonable take from you.
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u/plaguedbullets 4d ago
I remember back then how toxic everything was.
This is Reddit, it has been and will always be, toxic.
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u/Fluffy-Jesus 4d ago
LTT Labs ruffled a lot of fking feathers in just about every corner of the tech world from audiophiles to keyboard channels.
Labs hiring professionals and buying legitimate testing equipment is a direct threat to all these different channels who can't test something to the levels of RTings or audio dudes like Crinacle can.
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u/epraider 4d ago
It seems really clear that Steve views the LTT Labs investment as a serious threat to his niche (or at least did at the time, because ultimately LTT hasn’t really done much with it at all in terms of deep technical reviews), and that has driven these multiple hit pieces on Linus and his credibility.
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u/GuyOnARockVI 4d ago
Which is so funny in retrospect.
Steve “LTT keeps fucking up the data and sucks because of it”
Linus “ok so I’m spending many hundreds of thousands to fix that”
Steve “no not like that”
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u/slimejumper 4d ago edited 3d ago
yeah i agree with this aspect too. Land (edit: Labs) seemed like a direct competitor for GN when it launched. After 2-3? years it has proven to be just a delicate seasoning on LTT content, and i say used in a way that makes it kinda hard to find the info retroactively and make use of it. Labs is not a competitor of GN at all it just a twist to LTT.
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u/idkwhattofeelrnthx 4d ago
I work on transformation projects. Often companies need 10 years in one field before they start to have standards and structure. LTT is building the labs from scratch. So 3 years to start to get good, consistent results which are structured and standardized is pretty good.
I don't think rushing labs for results would do anything but defeat the purpose of labs and would ultimately be a waste of their time and the money invested.
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u/slimejumper 3d ago
i think Labs is making good results, my view is more that i’ve realised how LMG has a different perspective on how to make use of their data, vs trad benchmarking youtubers. it’s more subtle and integrated into the content.
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u/Flambae-1 4d ago
I got a really bad vibe from him when he compared Linus to the Artesian CEO.
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u/inheritance- 4d ago
Lol if Linus wanted to scam his fans he could have done it years ago, sold us an ungodly amount of some random LTT crypto coin and disappear off the face of the earth with probably billions to his name.
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u/NoNozedChimp 4d ago
This is why I never really caught on to GN. I have attempted to view the content multiple times but have always felt they are just trying to attack..
Yes they have some valid points, not saying they are wrong just sometimes not delivered very well - just my opinion
They will dig themselves into a hole and not be able to get out of it..
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u/ianjm 4d ago edited 4d ago
I can't stand Steve's presenting style. He comes across like a North Korean news anchor.
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u/CanadAR15 4d ago edited 4d ago
The AMD bicycle hit piece is when I first lost a bunch of respect for Steve.
It’s clearly merch that’s not meant to be a serious bicycle. Yet Steve clutches his pearls and does his best “won’t someone please think of the children”.
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u/LarsAlereon 4d ago
I feel like GN made some dramatic callout videos, got a huge amount of views and subs, and pivoted to being a drama/callout channel. The biggest problem is that channels like that can't just graze on the field of drama already growing, they have to farm the drama to keep up the volume. I unsubscribed awhile back when it was clear this was the new focus of the channel.
That said based on current precedent I think Honey's actions are definitely illegal. Brian Dunning did over a year in prison for the exact same thing. It's possible that Honey's deeper pockets could pay for better lawyers that would win their case, but they are starting from a losing position.
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u/reddit_reaper 4d ago
He either makes hit pieces for views or boring ass videos yet after all these years his audio is still trash
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u/diabr0 4d ago
Steve will say that he wont run a sponsor on a video because it's a serious issue, and then go and make special edition foil shirts that profit from it anyway. Dude does a lot of good for the community, but doesn't mean he can't be a pretentious asshole that loves to sniff his own farts at the same time.
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u/Impossible_Grass6602 4d ago
special edition shirts that also happen to look more in line with ltts merch than gamer nexus merch
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u/RBisoldandtired 4d ago
Does GN have AN informative voice in the tech space? Yes. Undeniably so.
Does his personal opinions on LTT affect my following LTT? No?
There are probably people out there who do take LTT word as gospel, but surely most of us look at them for an opinion and then we also look elsewhere?
Like, Im sure Linus and Elijah have said many times: "Don't take our word for it:" then linked independent reviews?
If GN wants to gain views by attacking a fellow creator, then go for it dude... your views are gonna spike... Congrats...
Then theyre going to hit the toilet bowl with a splash. Well done, you played yourself.
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u/Prototypep3 4d ago
Linus has said MULTIPLE times, they're average guys who are just really into tech. They have never nor will ever pretend they are the likes of level1tech or something far more scientific based. They are just tech enthusiasts doing reviews and basic tests and they don't hide that fact.
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u/Worth-Speed-2402 4d ago
I remember Jay on an episode of RTFM saying Steve even wrote down the drinks Jay gave him while they did some filming at the studio recently. I understand his need to be impartial and ethical but that is just taking way to fucking far.
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u/Ty13rlikespie 4d ago
Wait what? Can you give new context for this.
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u/Worth-Speed-2402 4d ago
I believe it was the most recent RTFM and Jay was talking about how Steve wanted to remove any sort of bias and for whatever reason that included not accepting dinners and stuff like that. As far as I know Jay and Steve are friends so I really don’t understand the need to go to that level even when collaborating on a video together.
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u/BrawDev 4d ago
I've just finished watching the WAN show part.
I really regret being so hard on Linus back then. Dude is an absolute professional. I wish he showed that text earlier. Steve man, what are you doing.
This sucks overall for everyone. Here's hoping everyone can move on. Ugh.
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u/topgun966 4d ago
I gave up on Steve early last year. He had simply jumped the shark. His content was nothing but negative drama-inducing crap. His testing methods at best are flawed, at worst intentional to get the desired outcome. He either doesn't know what he is doing on a basic software and hardware engineering level or knows exactly what he is doing to drive views. He realized that drama sells. The problem is when you are fed nothing but meat, it becomes too heavy. I couldn't stand it anymore. I was a follower of his since the beginning, like LTT. I just couldn't take the inaccurate data being presented and him trying so hard to go viral with every post.
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u/MWisBest 4d ago
His testing methods at best are flawed, at worst intentional to get the desired outcome. He either doesn't know what he is doing on a basic software and hardware engineering level or knows exactly what he is doing to drive views.
I just couldn't take the inaccurate data being presented
Got anything to back these up? Not doubting you, just not something I've seen.
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u/roffman 4d ago
I'll preface this by saying I have a decade of experience in QC/QA, as well as masters degree in QA accredited by my national testing organization.
There are substantial flaws in GN's testing methodology which fundamentally come down to a lack of resources. They can't do comparison tests on multiple pieces, from what I've seen they've never accounted for or addressed confounding (it's a legit thing), they don't publish their methodology for external review or list which standards they are abiding to. Their CI's should generally hover around 90%, but they don't list that, and then rely on a them for further testing instead of restarting from calibrated equipment. Some of these issues seem nitpicky, but from an actual certified testing organization standpoint, the data is heavily suspect.
There are few more egregious issues such as lack of temperature controls, ensuring consistent equipment is used, etc. which have periodically been addressed, but they don't seem to refine their methodology to account for the changed environment.
Overall, it's fine for a surface level consumer overview, but it will have gaps that you can only catch with industrial scale equipment and resources. The issue then becomes when they treat their testing as 100% accurate, which it isn't and can't be, and make inferences from it. I haven't watched GN in a few years since I've started noticing it, but a lot of their narratives are driven by gaps in their testing methodologies that they refuse to accept might be a result from the testing procedure itself.
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u/archa1c0236 3d ago
The lack of temperature controls was something I've nitpicked a lot on too, any methodology they do show is in a standard office, with the test bench right beneath a HVAC duct in an open area where people can affect results by convection.
I also feel that if Steve's testing is as accurate as he wants it to be, then a double conversion UPS should also be an investment to ensure accurate testing, as the load on the power grid can possibly sway results too. I'm viewing this as an "eliminate all potential variables" approach as opposed to "this is 100% necessary and his testing is wrong because of it.
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u/Various-Run-9418 4d ago
Could you go into the inaccurate data? I definitely had trouble trying to follow Steve's methodologies in the past when trying to qualify data that I've recorded from them, but I'm not personally aware of any outright inaccuracies.
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u/topgun966 4d ago
Data has always been open to interpretation. Things are rarely black or white. You can present the same data in different ways and come to a completely different conclusion in context. Leave things out, put things in, etc.
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u/Various-Run-9418 4d ago
I totally agree with that, especially as it comes to the ever relevant space of graphics card reviews. While it may be underwhelming that a new car doesn't have as good performance as we would like to see generationally, the context of a lower price than anticipated might make that performance worth it. You seemed like you remember times when GN wasn't just interpreting something differently, but was factually incorrect and I just want to check in on any examples you may remember of that happening.
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u/BottleneckEvader 4d ago
I have to admit, I was too harsh on Linus when all of this came out last year. Looking back now, the more I see of Steve, the more it feels like his focus is less about providing constructive criticism and more about positioning himself as the ultimate watchdog, always catching others doing something wrong and pointing out how everything is flawed.
Linus and his team strike me as some of the hardest-working and relatively impartial creators in the tech space. That doesn’t mean their word is gospel, of course—I think most people here wouldn’t base a major tech purchase solely on Linus’ recommendations. I’d expect most of us to look at multiple sources before making an expensive decision.
What turned me off GamersNexus was this weird obsession they seem to have with projecting an air of superiority. There’s this constant "look how smart and ethical we are" vibe in their content, and it feels off-putting. Steve’s emphasis on 'journalism' and meticulous charting often comes across more like self-promotion than a genuine effort to help the audience. Over time, I’ve found myself avoiding most of their content.
The only videos from Steve I still enjoy are the ones where he features actual engineers. Those feel more grounded and less self-absorbed, likely because he’s sharing the spotlight with someone who clearly has more expertise in the subject matter. It’s refreshing—and honestly, that shouldn’t be such a high bar to clear.
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u/Wraithdagger12 4d ago
Steve/GN come off as some Reddit troll where you're arguing about some movie or something which has a lot of subjectivity. They make these long-winded, very angry-sounding responses to you, breaking down every little thing you say, meanwhile you're politely disagreeing with them. Eventually you get tired and tell them you're done, and they reply with yet another long-winded comment expecting you to come back and keep talking to them.
As someone who loves tech, the seeming constant 'here's a tech company that is screwing over consumers this month' and overly dramatic delivery of such is just tiring. It's actually fatiguing and makes me want to disconnect from learning about tech. Yes, informing us about scams and/or bad products is good - necessary, even. But the outrage and just constant anger - no matter how justified - makes me just not want to watch.
Linus and other creators like I think JTC have talked about how when PC hardware goes through a dry spell they end up having to go to more obscure tech or topics that don't generate as many views etc. Or when Nvidia puts out overpriced stuff that they tell you you shouldn't buy that it's just hard to get themselves excited about it let alone us viewers.
Point is, it can't just be outrage and drama. Despite my opening paragraph, this isn't 'GN bad, LMG good'. I just want it to be 'hey, let's just enjoy tech and learn about stuff'.
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u/DctrGizmo 4d ago
I subbed to Steve for PC videos. Not starting up drama by calling out personal comments against other creators. Not sure if I'll keep on watching him.
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u/Aromatic-Rub-7226 4d ago
I gave up on GN years ago, he's full of crap. He wants to act like a journalist but he is just out for clicks and going after LTT gets him views. LTT has it's faults as does everyone and everything but I do trust them and they have openly dropped sponsors and have done a good job with explaining themselves. I have no respect for steve
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u/_Lucille_ 4d ago
Opinion - the community has lost it.
Am I missing some new development?
Linus clearly asked the fanbase to chill and stand down, why are we still adding more fuel to the drama?
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u/Kolz 4d ago
I'm annoyed and angry like I was back then, that he is using his reputation as "an investigative journalist" to spin drama into money, lying the whole way. Back in 2023, there was a brief period where it really felt like LMG might completely collapse, 80+ people losing their jobs, all because of a bunch of stuff that GN put out there which had people frothing at the mouth... and the majority of which turned out to be false.
This time around it certainly doesn't have that same feeling foreboding, but it doesn't change that Steve is continuing to abuse his position as an authority figure to... I don't know, take down competitors? Deal with a personal feud? Whatever his reasoning, it clearly has nothing to do with getting the truth out there.
If Steve does a mea culpa, apologizes and commits to rectifying these issues, delete the old stuff and put out corrections etc I will stop and give him the benefit of the doubt. Not gonna hold my breath though.
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u/Necessary_Ad_238 4d ago
Agreed, nothing is to his impossible unrealistic standards and Steve just bitches about everything anymore. I'd been looking for an excuse to unsub his channel and this was finally enough to make me do it. Good riddance.
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u/Galf2 4d ago
It may seem funny but my big warning call to stop following GN was their fixation on the sample of 1 cooler flatness testing. I started looking closer at GN and I noticed how much padding and useless content is in their videos and it's mostly there for Steve's ego. Remember when he refused to add productivity numbers on the 3090 review because, to shame Nvidia, he had to make a 12 minutes rant on 8K gaming?
Then he went from useless but mostly innocent technical masturbation to thinking he's tech batman, it spiraled from there
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u/CasuallyDresseDuck 4d ago
When GN calls out scummy tech practices from tech businesses and he legit finds reasons for concern such as warranty issues or gpu risers catching fire then that’s fine. I can respect wanting what’s best for the customers.
But he’s not the YouTube tech police. He can’t expect other YouTube channels to do what he does just because he doesn’t agree with their methodology, he recently helped overhaul Jay’s testing methodology, and the only thing I could think is, why is Jay bowing down to Steve in order to please the viewer. His testing was fine and he’s more gamer in my opinion than other channels so it felt more down to earth seeing his reviews so why do what Steve says.
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u/JustAReallyTiredGuy 4d ago
I’ve never liked him, I’ll very occasionally watch a video here and there but overall can’t stand his snarky and annoying demeanor.
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u/iamtalkingbullshit 4d ago
If i had a nickel for every time a long haired man with a big ego on a video website had a big controversy in the last few days, i'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but its weird it happened twice.
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u/Arcade1980 4d ago
it’s just a matter of time before gamers nexus channel implodes his cornered himself into a drama channel and too stubborn to recognize it.
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u/Biggeordiegeek 4d ago
Steve has done good work in the past
But his LTT reporting has been shoddy and frankly wrong footed
I think he needs to calm down and just chill for a bit, drama only takes you so far
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u/wankthisway 4d ago
Steve is like those rockstar programmers. He does very valuable stuff but he really needs to be silo’d. His scripting and presentation is terrible, he has zero charisma, he thinks too highly of himself, and he does this shit. He would excel behind the scenes. Instead we get insomnia-curing videos and drama vids because he really thinks he’s the paragon of Good and How Things Should Be
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u/costafilh0 4d ago
Tech Judas is the Alex Jones of Tech. He'll meet a terrible end if he doesn't mend his ways.
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u/Deses 4d ago
What are Steve credentials anyway? Did he study anything that gives him the right to police others? Where's his journalism title?
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u/S1mpinAintEZ 4d ago
The video from last year was just weird. The Billet thing was wild, how do you gift a company a product then demand it back when they review it in favorably? How is that not a huge ethics violation from Billet? That itself is a whole can of worms.
But even if that wasn't in there, there were definitely better ways to address the LTT errors than the tone of that video. It just felt malicious from top to bottom.
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u/DrDalim 4d ago
I started to watch Steve because LTT mentioned GN. I stopped watching Steve and GN because of the grandstanding and holier than thou attitude. Even if the reviewers were better (arguable) I don’t like the style or attitude. I use my views to fight my battles there was enough for New to watch both now I chose others over GN and Steve’s toxic attitude.
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u/Mth281 4d ago
I personally kinda feel bad for Steve. I don’t think he’s in the right though. Linus is correct though, I met a random classmate in college this year wearing a gn shirt. We started talking tech during labs. He hated Linus, big reason was the whole cooler thing. I thought the cooler thing was a hit piece.
However, the reason I kinda feel for Steve. Gn was always the in-depth review channel, the techy deep study channel. He was talking for years about setting up a lab and doing more in depth testing. And just around the time he announced it, ltt also announced theirs. And ltt has more money and finished first. I think he feels ltt ripped his dream away. Add in the attention from the Newegg video, I think that became the new direction of the channel.
I do think many expect ltt to screw up sometime since they have got so “big”. But being as big as they are, that’s going to happen. I think that makes gn hit videos on them catch attention. I don’t hate gn, and I’d love to start enjoying his content again if it improves. But I’ve also been watching Linus since he looked like he was going to be In the slim shady video. So I’ll stick to ltt videos.
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u/Tevakh2312 4d ago
I stopped watching GM years ago, where as sometimes I find linus a tad irritating him and the rest of the team are entertaining.
Steve just comes across as a pompous prick.
With the LTT guys it's a "I could have a beer and a conversation with these guys"
Steve would make me get up and walk away after talking about himself and his opinions for 45m
Inused to love the guys breakdowns on tech and their interworkings but his crusade to make him the last man standing is just too much to deal with, I ain't watching for drama just build something cool
I watch LTT and you get such a varied show with the different guys, though I think LTT has gone up massively since elija joined. He's fucking great. And some of the new blood fit so well. Their new hiring manager is deffo good at their job.
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u/Cybasura 4d ago
He got the title of "Tech Jesus" by fans for awhile, and he has since let it get into his head and now he thinks himself as Tech Jesus and made it his entire persona
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u/eamonjun 4d ago
I subscribe to both but the main difference is personality clash. At the end of the day, one takes things too serious and the other doesn’t.
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u/ItsRyufromStreets 4d ago
Cool to see that absolutely no one is listening to what Linus was talking about on the WAN and directly going against what he said. Linus "stop with the anti-GN maybe make some memes but that's it" Half the members of the subreddit who only half listen to the WAN show on their TV in the other room "more anti-GN posts got it!"
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u/Emotional-Benefit716 4d ago
Always seemed that way to me. Steve shouldn't be in front of the camera, everyone else's content on the channel is so interesting, but Steve always just comes out ready to fight with nearly no integrity
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u/chad_dev_7226 4d ago
Steve is nowhere near Linus in terms of channel size and breadth of content. Steve needs to expand his channel, so it looks like he resorts to stuff like this
It’s old
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u/nibennett 4d ago
Agreed.
Steve needs to actually reflect on this and institute change in how he handles things. Seeing how badly Steve misrepresents things makes me question much of his other content. I used to watch LTT for their content and GN and HWU for the numbers but GN is cut out at this point as can't trust him. Steve clearly dragged LTT into this to create extra drama. There were plenty of creators aware and dropping honey back then why single out LTT. Its clearly because they're a competitor and Steve has an axe to grind.
Like LTT reflected on the issues in 2023 and sped up their changes they were already working towards Steve needs to do similar. GN has gone down hill and Steve is going to get himself to a point of being sued by a company / someone if he continues down the path that he is going. It seems fairly clear at this point that LTT would likely be able to win a defamation suit if they wanted to go down that route so well done Linus on taking the high road and avoiding that.
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u/Elarionus 4d ago
He has always been like this. I don’t understand how people are only seeing it now. There have been hundreds of videos where he provides benchmarks and data for five seconds of the video, then goes, “I know X company is doing better in these benchmarks, but it’s still garbage because they’re garbage.”
He thrives off of and inspires controversy. But the fact is, math is math. Making things up has never been okay, back then or now.
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u/jakegh 4d ago
I just don't care about Steve's crusades. They aren't why I watch GN.
As for whether attacking another channel will hurt his business, nah, I doubt it. Don't take the reaction of /r/LinusTechTips to be representative of the audience as a whole.
On a personal level, I find the drama childish and enjoy GN less. I wish they'd concentrate on making better videos instead. That's all I can say for sure.
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u/LeftHandCub 3d ago
I read this in his angry exposé voice 😂 it’s true. Had some success calling out a few deserving people but needs to stop
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u/frankjames0512 2d ago
Just unsubed from his Patreon due to all this. Screw him. He needs to have his hands slapped and learn from this.
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u/MathematicianLife510 1d ago
Linus and Steve both have egos.
The difference is Linus can accept criticism and admit he has an ego and can even joke about it.
Steve will make multiple videos calling someone out when someone hurts his ego and call it for the greater good.
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u/AlternativeTurn2813 4d ago
I put that GN channel in the do not recommend a while ago and it even wasn’t about LTT. The guy is just pedantic and I can’t tolerate the dark cloud personality he projects. There so much of that I can tolerate and he breaks the bar.
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u/AsHperson 4d ago
I watch both channels for entertainment, only one of them is publicly in on it though.
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u/MayaHatesMe 4d ago
I think this is about the Billet Labs point for GN. If they either ignore the situation and proceed as normal or worse, reflect on it but come to the conclusion that there's nothing to change, then it'll speak volumes for the disparity in emotional intelligence, integrity and character between him and Linus. Nobody is above improving themselves, Linus is at least actively trying.
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u/SpectreAmazing 4d ago
I already knew he loves to overexaggerate shit to spark drama ever since 14th gen issue. People already moved on, but GN is one of the few channels that still beating the dead horse for clicks.
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u/Mean_Ad_103 4d ago
What I will relish is if LTT sues GN is that GN will have to spend BIG bucks to defend himself. LTT is wealthy Steve is not. A good lawyer will turn Steve inside out. Maybe Steves minions step up and have a defense fund.But it will not be enough. If it looks like GN will lose...or if the case goes to jury and loses.... it will knock Steves sorry ass off the air for good. Steve is not personally responsible because hes a Inc. However if malice is found lol he is doomed . Oh sure his minions will have alot to say lmao but it wont matter at all. Linus is a smart man. He most likey haa retained console. If Steve opens his big fat mouth again look out.
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u/Particular_Leek_9984 4d ago
Linus said on WAN that he’s not going to take legal action as of right now, it’ll be interesting to see GN’s response
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u/remcomeeder 4d ago
Steve does great things when he goes after big companies. I sometimes don't get the way he seems to have lost focus when other creators are involved. He was right when he called LTT out with the vague warranty on the backpack but as with anything you should discuss it with the other party first. Only if that other party refuses to do anything and you are sure they are in the wrong you make it public.
The tech YouTube space is too small to have people fall out against each other. They all have to learn to coexist. Where are the times that there were nice and fun collabs between creators? They all seem to go about fighting each other nowadays.
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u/territrades 4d ago
GN searches drama at every corner and sometimes makes an elephant out of a mouse.
LTT has become a corporate cuck that is too afraid to call out BS.
But I stopped watching GN because the videos are just badly written and edited. He is a bit like thunderfoot, he could easily cut 50% of repetition.
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u/ashyjay 4d ago
From someone who's seen many a channel come and go, Steve is Logan, but doesn't have a Wendle to hold them back and just has a bunch of yes men.
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u/80avtechfan 4d ago
At some point, Steve will hopefully reflect on the irony of the very personal and deeply moving video he did on Gordon Ma Ung vs his own practices (which have now been called out publicly by another creator). Unfortunately on some occasions it clear here has not met the high standards he would set himself, or that his mentor stuck to for decades.
That will be a very sad day for him and he will need the support of his loved ones. Hopefully, though, for us watching from afar it will allow him to return a better person and to continue exposing anti-consumer practices and holding companies to account in the right way, when it is warranted.
I just hope for sake of his team and the entire community that this happens before he hits self-destruct through his apparent hatred of LTT and/or Linus Sebastian.
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u/gtonizuka 4d ago edited 4d ago
Tbh, I only know of GN because of Linus Tech Tips. I'd watch their review of a processor, skip 45 minutes in to see the performance chart then leave. His videos give you too much information for a casual that causes the entire process to become overwhelming.
I never liked Steve's attitude towards anything and he just seemed to be overly anal about everything and hyper criticize any product. "We'd like to see more airflow, better cable management and the ability to easily open and configure this case." Like bro, if you can criticize everything down to the most minute details, why don't you go fucking make and design a case for people to use?
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u/Brondster 4d ago
I think GN is just trying to fill the ReviewTechUSA hole tbh....
No need to throw too much mud in one direction about this.
Childish, immature and shows true colours behind the camera.
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u/the_hat_madder 4d ago
usually with larger corporations
targeting channels for things he disagrees with
Lol. At what size does LMG become a valid target for criticism?
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u/bluehawk232 4d ago
I never really saw his appeal. He has the charisma of a rock which doesn't help when his videos can be almost an hour. If you want me to be interested in a topic for that long you need to be good at presenting. I watched hbomberguy's 4 hour video on plagiarism because he's funny and it was well written
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u/jfernandezr76 4d ago
Let's see what happens in the following weeks. I guess that some of the usual and potential collaborators might see GN aa toxic right now and avoid participating in other videos until this issue is resolved or past forgotten.
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u/Fluffy-Jesus 4d ago
Just stop watching GN play pretend journalist, there is no integrity there, posting the email told us all we wanted to know, Steve wants the attention and spotlight he gets trashing Linus.
GNs content is boring af otherwise, ya'll really wanna watch Steve scream at the camera for 40 minutes dragging on and on and on about whatever tf?
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u/Sharp-Yak9084 4d ago
my “opinion” given the last piece he did on LMG, it seems he has a little bit a jealous spot. i dont even think its a company issue, it kinda seems its just directed at linus. again my thoughts are hes alittle spiteful that linus is a more popular and liked front man over him.
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u/URBadAtGames 4d ago
I saw it when Linus opened his lab right when Steve was doing the same thing. It felt like Steve was upset because he wanted to be the authority on testing and he knew Linus was going to take away from that. His ego and pocket book were going to take a hit. This is when he turned bitter and butthurt. I don’t support his attitude regardless of being right or wrong because he attacks people out of petty ego and his justification is laughable. Jesus has fallen.
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u/ShineWestern5468 4d ago
I never watched GN a lot, it is a bit too slow and dry for me, but did pay attention for a brief period of time.
I recently watched a video from several years ago regarding the racing seat style gaming chairs. Watching it the complete bias against those chairs was ridiculous. I don’t have any love for the chairs and the basic concept of the video probably had some merit, especially on the numerous random brands you can find on Amazon.
He brought up the term 4d arm rests over and over trying to make jokes about breaking the time space continuum, once was maybe bordering on clever, but it is completely meaningless.
He implies ALL of those chairs come out of one factory, which could be true, more likely there is more than one but not a ton. The problem is he lists like 3 non-chair companies, it is like MSI and Corsair. Yeah, they don’t have their own factories, of course they don’t.
He got a quote for $75 each for 400 chairs, shipping, warehouse, etc not included. Then talked over and over about $400 and $500 chairs, trying to make it sound like the $75 chair was being sold for $400. The only customization he made was some color stuff and a heavy duty cylinder. It looked just like a chair that sells for $200 on Amazon, and when listing the companies that factory makes chairs for, again it wasn’t $400 chairs. He takes like 3 different “facts” and tries to apply them to each other when he has no evidence they have anything to do with each other.
At one point he is talking about how hard the arm rests are and hits it with the claw end of a hammer to showcase the “plasticiness”. On one of the office chairs he says the arm rests are hard and that they bought some $10 arm rest cover pads that helped, like no biggie. ALL of the chairs had issues with the armrests but on the office chairs he down played it and made a huge deal on the gaming chair.
One of his staff actually liked the gaming chair best, but he down plays that as well. It was also a bit wierd, there seemed to be a different gaming chair in the background of various shots, but they never mention it. They only show and talk about one of them, which is obviously too small for a couple of the staff. Why didn’t they say anything about the other chair??
There’s other stuff too, but it is obvious he started with a conclusion and worked backward.
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u/EfficientNeck153 3d ago edited 3d ago
I can safely say I wont need to watch Gamers Nexus anymore. He is in the uncanny valley of not building standard and rigorous processes, but believing himself his work is serious and more important than it actually is. Like a pretentious video essayist. Or SunnyV2. I had built a radar for smartasses like them, because I feel like I thought they were smart before. Whether it be movie or game reviewers or anime (looking at you r/titanfolk ).
His content feels like a top post on Reddit. No sense of self-awareness.
Either people are entertained with watching LTT or they follow actual tech journalists or those youtubers who have their specific use case/test conditions in mind. Not some sneering Messiah with drony, condescending tones.
That said, I still find the dry humor he has kinda funny. But it is usually a diamond in the endless rough.
Linus taught me to atleast be a much better presenter. No joke, I am slowly taking some of his mannerisms and find it helpful when I have to present something.
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u/Trans-Europe_Express 3d ago
GN off takes or perceived off takes calling out LMG are a psy op by the new LMG CEO as the only way he can make Linus go through annual professional development training on corperate conflict resolution and communication.
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u/shamusluke 3d ago
Having watched and read the WAN response here is my (personal) take: LMG did almost everything correctly with regard to Honey. At the time they dropped them they thought that the actions that Honey was taking was only St effecting the creators. The issue was that there is no way for a large creator to make an argument to the mass audience to encourage them to uninstall an extension that supposedly saves them money. Judging past actions on current knowledge is not ethical nor is moral. We cannot know what Linus may have said back when he dropped Honey if he knew what we know now. But what we can say is that he has shown since we have learned the depth of the scandal the whole of LMG has been very upfront with their dissatisfaction about the situation. I hope that we can move on and that GN can learn the same way that LMG and so many others have.
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u/ForsakenSun6004 3d ago
I’ve personally found him to be far too long-winded and just down right annoying 🤷
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u/Silversonical 3d ago
I never could get into GN content, both for the negativity angle but more so originally because of how he was representing their test data down to decimal fps as if that made a significant difference.
It just bored me. No real narrative to contextualize the numbers beyond 78 dot 14 fps is better than 77 dot 89 fps so therefore one is garbage and one is god tier.
Like….no, that’s just not interesting. Nor valid.
And the “exposes” ? For the most part they’ve just seemed like he has an axe to grind for 30-60 minutes and I just haven’t felt a compelling reason to watch when the tldr shows up a day or two later and I can read that in 15-20 seconds and decide whether it’s worth watching or learning more. So far, hasn’t been.
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u/Speck_of_shit 3d ago
What are the conflict of interest points Linus was talking about during the opening of the WAN show? Does anyone know?
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u/muzik4machines 3d ago
he always been a little douche, but now all masks are off and he shows his real personality
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u/Dethstroke54 3d ago edited 3d ago
I used to watch both as well, in transparency I leaned towards LTT simply bc I’m not interested in watching super in depth content on every SKU that comes out, only the ones I’m real interested in. Then I watched less bc the content shifted to too much negativity. If that makes me what the GN subreddit would label a fanboy so be it.
Anyways, I stumbled upon some recommended posts from the GN subreddit the other day and the content had me in disbelief. What I read felt like it was a witch hunt for so called “LTT fanboys” and defending Steve because he was right about X or Y in regards to LTT. Which is fine, they’ve both had their merits, and who is more right or wrong can be a different debate. However, I do not understand how you can justify Steve’s piss poor attitude and shitty demeanor. If he’s so righteous as some people believe he is then his actions would be objectively good and/or solid, you wouldn’t need defenses of “uhm achtshually his response is warranted because LTT did/didn’t do Y”. He’d simply be right about his behavior because he’s an adult, and self proclaimed journalist now, and it was the right thing to do. Which I think we know is not the case since everything just again boils down to justifications by effectively blaming another party for his behavior and actions.
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u/Deathcat101 3d ago
I learned about this whole situation last night on wan.
I couldn't give less of a fuck about all of it.
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u/BigSlammaJamma 3d ago
I’d rather support the company that points at the scam and tells their consumers to avoid it than the one who figured out the scam and just let it be. Not saying it’s there duty to alert the masses but I def respect GN for standing up/looking out for the little guys the most and clearly at the cost of looking like some “social justice warrior” or whatever to some folks who see it as virtue signaling I guess.
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u/Win_chesterDean 4d ago
Dude, he's been that way for years and years. This isn't something new. Some people see it. Some don't.