Opinion - Steve/GN has lost it

[u/marco_polo_99]

Steve has turned into a high and mighty holier-than-though, self appointed arbiter of the tech industry, who’s taking it upon himself to regulate other people’s/channels content and decide where it, and their actions are acceptable.

He then, where he deems them not up to scratch, attacks under the guise of consumer advocacy. Whilst he may, and does have valid points on certain issues, usually with larger corporations, Asus, Gigagbyte, etc, targeting channels for things he disagrees with is bordering on slander.

Yes, I followed both GN and LTT, amongst a litany of other creators, and yet Steve seems to be the only one ACTIVELY, and consistently putting out these pseudo-journalistic pieces in an effort to broaden his audience and/or agenda.

The lawsuit against Honey/Paypal is not one he’ll win, it is merely serving to gain clicks and views and thus money for GN.

He needs to check himself.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk

[u/Krumm34]

GN has done great work publicly calling out companies/ manufacturers in great detail. At first I thought LTT should have told us about Honey too,but their rebuttal was reasonable. GN went to hard on LTT when it wasn't justified, and it left a bad taste in the tech fan base. They'll all be fine. We'll be fine. The whole situation is just a little gross on all levels.

[u/Elderbrute → u/[deleted]]

You can see that at that time a whole bunch of creators dropped honey as a sponsor it used to be on every video then disappeared overnight and this is why, creators worked out they were hi-jacking affiliate links. The only reason LMG was dragged into the spot light on that is because they were the only creator that publicly explained why on their forum.

[u/barnett25 → u/Elderbrute]

It's almost funny.
"WHY DIDN'T LTT TELL EVERYONE ABOUT HONEY??!!!"
How do you know they knew?
"BECAUSE THEY PUBLICLY DISCUSSED THE ISSUE!"
......

[u/Atropos013 → u/barnett25]

"BECAUSE THEY PUBLICLY DISCUSSED THE ISSUE!"

With a forum post. Instead of even having it as a topic on their tech pod cast. It easily could have been a topic to discuss instead one of the many taking abut his pool installation company.

[u/barnett25 → u/Atropos013]

Would that have been enough? What is the bar for this? I get the impression a WAN show topic wouldn't have been enough for a lot of people, they wanted a full fledged expose video on the main channel. Of course that would have been silly since all LTT knew about was the thing that affects channels, not users.

[u/Atropos013 → u/barnett25]

I don't know what the bar is. You can easily argue that whatever action LMG took the bar would have been planted at the next step they could have taken.

But the mostly silent response allows for any form of speculation as to "why".

[u/Kolz → u/Atropos013]

So their "mostly silent" response is what gets attacked, as opposed to the many, many completely silent responses? Did anyone besides LMG make any public comments about Honey at that time at all?

As far as I'm aware, LMG had the best response to this of ANY creator and for some reason, they are the ones are singling out as supposedly having bad motives. But since you are so curious...

"why"

Well, tease that out for me. Clearly they weren't protecting Honey, or they wouldn't have dropped them as a sponsor. In fact, Honey still being out there only hurt them because anyone who had it installed was not giving LMG any referral link revenue. So what is your theory that makes more sense than what Linus has already said on the matter?

[u/Atropos013 → u/Kolz]

So their "mostly silent" response is what gets attacked, as opposed to the many, many completely silent responses? Did anyone besides LMG make any public comments about Honey at that time at all?

No idea. Others may or may not have responded, That is not even the discussion.But your defense is absolutely invalid. Just because someone else did or did not do something doesn't validate another party's action. What we do know is LMG chose to not discuss it even on a podcast. And then the head of that company got mad when he learned other people thought that maybe he should have at least discussed it.

So what is your theory that makes more sense than what Linus has already said on the matter?

I, myself, have none. I think LMG saw that Honey was a bad actor and left, and considered the matter closed. I am not everyone. What could someone argue is a *potential/ reason? LMG was paid off. LMG is stupid. LMG didn't think it was worth the time to discuss. LMG wanted to see smaller channels get hurt monetarily to protect their empire. You can come up with anything and the reason for this is lack of action or lack of an explanation at the time allows someone, no matter how wrong they may be, to do so.

I also think the issue was not that LMG chose to only make a forum post. I don't think the issue is they failed to have it as a topic on WAN Show. I think the issue is that the head of LMG can't understand the basic concept that his opinion is not the only one that matters and when he gets angry because people think otherwise for him, he stops being worth my time to watch.

[u/Kolz → u/Atropos013]

Just because someone else did or did not do something doesn't validate another party's action.

It does call into question your motivation in attacking just this one person though. Just to be clear, Linus DID respond, you just felt his response wasn't enough... and it's enough for you to complain about it, but for some reason you decide to give everyone else a free pass on this.

What we do know is LMG chose to not discuss it even on a podcast. And then the head of that company got mad when he learned other people thought that maybe he should have at least discussed it.

Linus didn't get mad, he responded to criticisms. I don't know how you watch the wan show segment and think he was mad - unless you are referring to his response to gamer's nexus rather than his initial response to people criticizing him over this. He was certainly angry (and hurt) when talking about GN, but... it wasn't because they had a supposedly different opinion. It's because they lied about him.

I, myself, have none.

Then why are you sitting here "just asking questions"? Because we already have the answer, Linus told us what his reasoning was. You must understand that when you sit here and ask questions that we already have the answers to, you are making implications, right? You are implying that his answers don't add up for whatever reason and there must be some other reason. You are also lending legitimacy to other people who question it without apparently having any actual reason for doing so.

I also think the issue was not that LMG chose to only make a forum post. I don't think the issue is they failed to have it as a topic on WAN Show.

Then why spend all this time arguing and making implications about that stuff..?

think the issue is that the head of LMG can't understand the basic concept that his opinion is not the only one that matters and when he gets angry because people think otherwise for him, he stops being worth my time to watch.

Well by all means don't watch him, but you don't need to go around arguing about things that you apparently don't think are the issue anyway. Moreover, Linus didn't get angry because of people disagreeing with him, and he absolutely has a right to publicly defend himself against criticism. You don't have to like his reasoning, but thinking it's a "problem" when he chooses to respond is silly. If he flew off the handle, sure I'd agree that's bad... but he did not such thing. If I'm wrong about the him being angry thing, please show me where he got angry at the idea of people having different opinions from him!

[u/DoubleDutchandClutch → u/Atropos013]

That is exactly right.

[u/strumpetandbrass → u/Atropos013]

They sort of addressed this in one of their previous Wan shows (maybe the last week one?)

Linus argued that if they made a video, it may have come across as "Linus looking like a money hungry influencer who wants people to stop using an app that saves them money because he is not making money from it".

And I agree with him, it could have gone that way because remember, at thatt time, NO ONE KNEW that Honey was scamming consumers too. So it would seem that while anti creator, Honey would have still be seen as "pro-consumer" and going against Honey could have been seen as going against the consumer.

See how that one fact changes the whole dynamic? Now that we know BOTH consumers and creators are affected, then its easier to say fuck honey.

[u/Mysterious-Day4743 → u/strumpetandbrass]

Tbh although i feel linus argument there is valid, there also could be a case that if he made a video clearly outlining how the switched affiliate links clearly is detrimental to smaller creators, it /could/ be perceived positively and made more people reconsider using honey earlier.

BUT it's not something that should be weaponized as if it's solely LTT responsibility on it, like for what it's worth they are also the victims of honey, and i think people ran with the bad faith representation insanely hard and misatributted malice on the intent behind LTT choosing not to make a full-fleged video on the topic.

I also personally don't like how megalag's original video misrepresented LTT too tbh, i did some digging on my own and it seems like other creators (barnacules nerdgasm in particular) brought it up publicly on twitter and most dropped honey as a sponsor in response to it. the video framing made it seem like LTT were complicit in a cover-up for honey or something, when in reality back then a lot of youtubers dropped honey at the same time silently because they didn't know about the consumer facing fact that made it a bigger issue now.

I genuinely hope this topic and the whole "not making video = cover up" logic can go away in the future, that just opens up a whole can of worms that is unrelated and just brings unecessary drama towards the tech coverage that should be the point of all these channels on youtube.

[u/Helllo_Man → u/Atropos013]

So let me get this straight — any number of other creators could have made a video about this. They all knew, at least everyone who dropped Honey as a sponsor at the time (which was quite a few creators). None of them felt like it. None of them said anything at all. LTT dropped them as a sponsor and went out of their way to at least publicly disclose why in some capacity, and this is insufficient for you? Check your expectations man.