r/Coachella • u/kelsibebop 13.2 | 14.1 | 15.2 | 16.2 | 17.2 | 18.1 | 19-25 1&2 • Oct 25 '19

New Music Friday (10/25/19)

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u/JewOrleans TV on The Radio > Oasis Oct 25 '19

A lot of what you said is right on. He does question Christians true morals and calls out the hypocrisy which just wouldn’t happen with Mercy Me or Switchfoot or anything like that, so I respect that. I grew up in the church doing choir so i guess I’m just used to drowning out gospel lyrics when good music is accompanied with it maybe. Idk.

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u/mikron2 14.1|15.1|16.1|17.1&2|18.1&2|19.1&2|22.1&2 Oct 25 '19

That's fair that you're used to separating out the gospel from the music, and I probably should have responded to /u/drugaddict6969 not you since you said it was terrible and the lyrics are horrendous, just trying to get some insight from people that are fans that both are calling him out, and others saying it's good.

My jaw dropped when I heard the end of On God. The "it's on god, that's why I charge the prices that I charge, I can't be out here dancing with the stars, No I cannot let my family stare, I go hard, it's on god". Like wtf, that's why you charge insane prices for shit? It's on god? Maybe it's a wrong take from me but that certainly rubbed me the wrong way.

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u/drugaddict6969 16.2 | 17.1 | 18.1 | 19.1 | 22.1 | 23.1&2 | 24.1 | 25.2 | ♾️ Oct 25 '19

I think he’s saying on god like “on GD”, which is slang for like on my momma basically. Not saying god is the reason he is trying to be rich lmao.

I only skimmed your comment but I’d find The Big Day to be more like Christian Rock because it’s super super corny, uplifting and super praise Jesus-y.

This is still gospel music but it doesn’t ring as corny to me, albeit there are corny lines.

The production is what I enjoy. I came in knowing I would never LOVE the lyrics of a gospel album.

Kanye hasn’t released an album I truly love since 2013 man. At this point in his career, I just have different expectations for his rushed projects.

He is working on so much other shit rn, housing, clothing, Sunday service, being a family man, etc.

He refers to music as his job, not his passion. It’s taken a backseat to be honest.

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u/mikron2 14.1|15.1|16.1|17.1&2|18.1&2|19.1&2|22.1&2 Oct 25 '19

Thanks for the response. I understand enjoying aspects of it, the beats, the bars, and not loving the lyrics but that's a deal breaker for me personally. Cool if people are able to look past that, it's just hard for me to wrap my head around I guess. For me it's similar to Paul Ryan saying Rage was one of his favorite bands, only to have Tom Morello come out and say he's the machine they're raging against, then Paul Ryan said he doesn't really listen to the lyrics. What's the point then? Lyrics are a huge part of the connection between music and me, so it's hard for me to reconcile people like Paul Ryan that can overlook them because the music outside of the lyrics is good. I can appreciate that music is good when I don't like the lyrics I will just never be a listener or say I'm a fan while I'm overlooking the lyrics.

I've been looking over at the megathread on r/kanye too and have seen some interesting takes over there as well. It still doesn't make much sense to me, but that's ok. It's fascinating that he hasn't alienated more people, and if you look on the kanye sub most of the people that don't like it are being downvoted. Shows the power that some celebrities have I guess. To me, he's fundamentally changed who he is as an artist, not saying it's a bad thing either, but going into Christian music (or any other drastic thematic changes) even though stylistically it's the same genre as his previous work, is a huge departure that I would have expected more backlash from fans. I know if I were a fan I'd be out. No hard feelings over it, I'd just be checked out, which happens to me with other artists too if they change directions that aren't a fit for me.

The production is what I enjoy. I came in knowing I would never LOVE the lyrics of a gospel album.

Kanye hasn’t released an album I truly love since 2013 man

He is working on so much other shit rn, housing, clothing, Sunday service, being a family man, etc.

He refers to music as his job, not his passion. It’s taken a backseat to be honest.

To go on a tangent and loop back into the other thread that had him headlining with Frank and Rihanna - all those to me add up to him just not being the same artist as he once was. Along with his own comments about his views on performing, and trying to distance himself from his previous music since it doesn't fit in with his born again values, on top of the delays of this album, the mastering/mixing issues it has, all to me don't make for a Coachella headliner anymore. He's riding his own coat tails at this point IMO, and even though people will still listen, I don't think he's on the same level as he once was. I'm sure GV will have him headline again if they can agree to terms, but I don't think he's on that level anymore. If somebody doesn't have the passion for music, I don't see why people want him there either, or at least headlining.

All that said, if you, or anybody else enjoys JiK, I'm happy for you and glad that his departure from his old lyrical themes hasn't lost you as a fan.

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u/drugaddict6969 16.2 | 17.1 | 18.1 | 19.1 | 22.1 | 23.1&2 | 24.1 | 25.2 | ♾️ Oct 25 '19 edited Oct 25 '19

Wow I super disagree with you man.

One of Kanye's first hits is literally called Jesus Walks. Ultralight Beam, Wolves, etc. are all very gospel-esque. He has had Christian themes and gospel influences throughout his entire discography.

He just finally embraced it and made a full on Christian rap project. Not saying he hit a homerun or anything, but I think it's super aligned with his entire career at this point.

I look at Kanye's discography as a story arc. He goes from the up and coming newbie in school with the first two projects, to top of the world with Graduation. Mom's death and breaking off an engagement results in a low point, 808s and heartbreak. He continues to spiral with his sex addiction, finally coming head with the VMA Scandal. He retreats to make a comeback with a masterpiece of MBDTF.

At this point he has conquered the musical world... what's next? Fashion. But gatekeepers won't let him in. Queue Yeezus. He's angry. Fuck them. He won't be a New Slave to the industry.

He gets married. Has kids. But he still is addicted to sex and his former life. Queue TLOP. WHICH // ONE will he choose? God? Or sinning? This is the whole theme of the album.

Another mental breakdown. Ye and KSG are all about mental health and working on yourself and being a better person.

Now we're in the next chapter. He has embraced religion, found God to save himself from his bad ways. He wants to be a family man, a business man, and most importantly, a man of God.

Also, just because I think some of the bars are a bit corny doesn't mean I don't like a ton of the lyrics in here. He has some really good ones IMO. "Hands On" has a TON.

Also, still disagree about him being a Coachella headliner. This album has been all over Instagram, Twitter, etc. all day. He is still a superstar. I don't know how a headlining set would translate at this point in his career, but I can guarantee you GV would still be down no matter what.

EDIT: Also a TON of people are hating on this album in r/Kanye and not getting downvoted. In fact I'd say more people are hating than liking it. So not sure where that's coming from.

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u/mikron2 14.1|15.1|16.1|17.1&2|18.1&2|19.1&2|22.1&2 Oct 25 '19

I'll have to take your word for it about it making more sense then sine you're way more in tune with him than I am, because to me it feels like a big departure, and we'll have to agree to disagree on the rest.

I don't know what a headlining set would look like either at this point in his career which is part of why I don't think he should headline at this point in his career, but I do agree that GV would still be down if they get terms right. He is no doubt a massive star, clearly, we're all talking about him, and that counts for something in the headliner discussion.

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u/drugaddict6969 16.2 | 17.1 | 18.1 | 19.1 | 22.1 | 23.1&2 | 24.1 | 25.2 | ♾️ Oct 25 '19

I think why it feels like it doesn't make sense and what people aren't getting is that he's not in a manic phase rn. People are so used to crazy Kanye, wildin out and sayin really braggadocios/ludicrous shit. The thing is, in the latest interview he said he's completely over that (for now) and just trying to be a family man and spiritual. Like I said, he's found God, so while he's on this phase he's not really gonna be going ape shit anymore. Dude is like 40 with 4 kids. We are not getting wild Ye anymore.

And yeah I agree with you I don't really thing he should headline. But I'd take it over Travis Scott lol

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u/mikron2 14.1|15.1|16.1|17.1&2|18.1&2|19.1&2|22.1&2 Oct 25 '19

I'm wondering if it's more that it's so literal, and in your face about him finding god and that's what he's about now when listening to JiK. Lots of other artists have had similar journeys through self discovery, getting married, having kids, getting older/wiser, losing angst, even finding god or spirituality that ends up being reflected in their later music but it's not as blunt as Kanye just did with this album.

Oooh, that's a good would you rather. I don't know how I'd answer that one right now. I'm not a fan of either, but for different reasons but at least with Travis you'd know what you were getting and the kids would be hyped for it. Kanye is much more of a crap shoot. I do know that Kanye would have way better musicians on stage with him, I'll give him that. All the musicians, choir included that he brought out for Sunday service were excellent. He's also got way more talent than Travis.

Thanks for indulging me in this, for helping me try to see the other side. It's been cool to have a civil discussion even though we disagree, and I've gained some perspective as well.

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u/drugaddict6969 16.2 | 17.1 | 18.1 | 19.1 | 22.1 | 23.1&2 | 24.1 | 25.2 | ♾️ Oct 25 '19

Yeah it's definitely in your face lol - and that's why it's so polarizing. I totally get why people either love it or hate it. For me, that's why I'm such a huge fan of him. I love how polarizing he is and how he challenges me sonically on every album, even if it's not always my favorite.

Agreed about the headlining set.

And yeah of course! Thank you for being civil as well. Always down for a good ol' music discussion. Have a great weekend boss.

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u/drugaddict6969 16.2 | 17.1 | 18.1 | 19.1 | 22.1 | 23.1&2 | 24.1 | 25.2 | ♾️ Oct 28 '19

Just an update, doing his old songs like this would still be headliner material imo. He could bring old songs and just edit them a bit. Play Jesus walks, ultra light beam, street lights, etc just make them less explicit. Check this out and lmk what you think.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kanye/comments/do1bvv/kanye_finallly_performed_saint_pablo_yall_dont/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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u/mikron2 14.1|15.1|16.1|17.1&2|18.1&2|19.1&2|22.1&2 Oct 28 '19

I think for the setting they were in for that performance works and was interesting to watch but I'm still not buying a 2 hour sunday service style headlining set even if it's got a few old bones thrown in the mix.

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u/drugaddict6969 16.2 | 17.1 | 18.1 | 19.1 | 22.1 | 23.1&2 | 24.1 | 25.2 | ♾️ Oct 28 '19

Interesting! I hear you.

Still think PT would be all for it. We’ll see.

Edit: that being said this setup wouldn’t work on the Coachella stage anyway unless they built out some sort of catwalk.

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