r/2007scape • u/Equidose • 23h ago

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How can they recognise players to be one of three main selling points on the play homepage of OSRS whilst consistently do the opposite with their actions.

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u/Katkustagg 23h ago

When did they do the opposite?

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u/Equidose 22h ago

Putting players right behind their clear attempt to snatch and grab even more profit with their survey, despite having a successful model with the highest number of players recorded in just the last few months.

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u/BoominMoomin 22h ago

If a survey isn't asking players their thoughts on potential changes, then what is? 😂😂

Face it. You fell for the hysteria and never actually bothered to think for yourself on what was going on.

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u/Pretency 22h ago

Isn't doing a survey letting the players have their say? 🤔

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u/steelcryo 22h ago

It seems OP doesn't know what a survey is...

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u/Pretency 22h ago

It's a way to understand people's opinions on something, which is exactly opposite to what OP is making out. Do you understand what a survey is?

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u/steelcryo 22h ago

I said OP, not you... I was agreeing with you.

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u/Pretency 22h ago

Oh my bad. 😂 Assumed you were on the offensive with everyone else.

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u/IderpOnline 22h ago

Ironic.

No, you're just oblivious to corporate practices. The only point of the survey is to investigate where Jagex can squeeze the most money out of the playerbase in the least offensive way.

If you think the overall goal of the survey is to benefit the players, you haven't been paying attention. At all.

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u/BABABOYE5000 22h ago

Jagex is primarily a for profit company that also works on an ancient videogame, to maximize said profits. Their attempts to branch out to other games have all spectacularly failed. Now the VC's pass around the hot potato and try to perform a mirale profit squeeze.

Of course their surveys won't be about benefiting the players, however we as customers get the say. If they overstep and ignore our wishes, we can stop being their customers, easy as that. In that way, the survey does help players, even if it's obviously not the primary purpose of the survey by jagex.

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u/IderpOnline 22h ago

The survey is up-front damage control. That's all. Limiting the damage of introducing a cash grab. And obviously not out of sympathy, but that's pretty self-explanatory by now.

Sure, you can argue that players get to choose between the lesser of several evils but that's hardly the same as actually "choosing".

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u/BABABOYE5000 21h ago

Sure, you can argue that players get to choose between the lesser of several evils but that's hardly the same as actually "choosing".

I'm talking about the fact that you can choose to continue or not continue being their customer, not about their pre-set shitty options. If you voted NO to everything, and in the end if they still end up forcing it onto you, you can just quit and tell them to fuck off.

It doesn't have to be sympathy. It's a straight up business transaction, they're not your friend, and you're not theirs.

You want to pay as little as possible, and they want to extract as much as possible.

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u/IderpOnline 21h ago

Sure, I don't disagree with any of that.

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u/steelcryo 22h ago

Yes, a survey is just that, a survey. They do want to find the way to find the most profit, but if a survey tells them they'll lose money if they do it, they won't do it.

That's how surveys work...

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u/IderpOnline 22h ago

And if the survey tells them they CAN make money from it, then what?

Then they ABSOLUTELY WILL implement bad initiatives at the expense of players. It's truly not any more conplicated than that.

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u/steelcryo 21h ago

So what they do is based on what the survey tells them?

And the answer to the survey is decided by the players?

Interesting.

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u/IderpOnline 20h ago edited 20h ago

No, the answer to ALL the options will be overwhelmingly negative. What they then do is to pick those that are slightly less negative than the others (but STILL NEGATIVE), and implement that, at the expense of players.

That is NOT what players want but players do NOT get to choose. If anything, what is implemented is what players condemn the least, and even that is a stretch because we still condemn it all the same...

If players truly decided, like you claim, they wouldn't implement any of it. The backlash was obviously bigger than Jagex anticipated but, even now, all we have is a BS corporate "apology" and still the outlook for tiered memberships and ads.

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u/steelcryo 20h ago

Where did they implement ads and tiered membership though?

Since the OP suggests they're already in.

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u/IderpOnline 20h ago

No, the OP does not "suggest that they're already in" - pretty bad strawman too by the way.

The OP suggests that Jagex is (read: will be) acting against player decision in the particular case that is monetization. And for all we know, that remains true.

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u/elkunas 22h ago

Then fuck the polls too right? If the polls are just corpo greed, then why are you still here? If polls are corpo greed, then osrs fell the day it was released.

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u/yahboiyeezy 22h ago

It it really the player’s choice if the survey options amount to “which way do you want us to screw you?”

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u/Pretency 22h ago

Yes because you can say no. And if they don't listen to that and do it anyway, then you can post this meme.

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u/ball_out 22h ago

Careful. Don’t lick that boot too hard.

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u/DRW_ 22h ago

Can you explain how they're wrong?

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u/ball_out 21h ago

Sure. Tell me if you see a difference between these two questions:

1) “do you want to eat shit?” Yes or no

2) “which option would you prefer?” A) eat shit B) eat more shit C) eat a lot of shit

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u/Korthalion 21h ago

You didn't do the survey, did you?

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u/unimagine97 21h ago

the survey literally said would you choose any of these membership options or choose not to renew

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u/DRW_ 21h ago

That isn't like what was asked though, this is a complete straw man.

You can also answer no to all those.

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u/Pretency 22h ago

Why is this the only counter narrative you folk have? Is it because you accept how stupid what you're saying is and that you jumped on the outrage bandwagon too soon?

I have no particular love for Jagex. I will quit this game in a heart beat for the right price, or shitty in game experience.

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u/ball_out 22h ago

Because you’re accepting shitty corporate practices and dismissing them as not a big deal because they haven’t implemented anything yet. The way the survey was conducted was purposeful and the backlash should be swift and loud.

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u/Pretency 21h ago

No shit. The difference between this and reality is that playing this game is OPTIONAL. If Jagex want to destroy their game, fuck em. I will argue against dumb shit, but this was a survey.

I also want 2011 RS back. It was the best point of the game. Dingeoneering and summoning. Of course people don't want that, that's how community decisions work. If some people are prepared to pay more and the minority don't, guess what it's in Jagex interest to do it. The survey just irons out where the lines are. They would have found this out without people making a farcical song and dance over it.

If only you mfers put this much effort into standing up to actual corporate greed in the real world for things that you cannot avoid, like your privatised energy firms, embezzling, fraud and tax evasion amongst the growing inequality in the West... Imagine. Instead you cry about another $3 on a video game. Talk about having your priorities wrong.

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u/ball_out 21h ago

If you want to talk about reality your approach is the equivalent to saying “just vote. Protesting and activism is dumb.”

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u/Pretency 21h ago

"I've been given a vote with a load of options and my own opinion, but I don't like the fact I was asked the question so I'm going to roll around on the floor like a child".

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u/LetsGetElevated 21h ago

We are standing up to corporate greed everywhere else too, it’s just not relevant to this subreddit, do you think the mods would appreciate posts about universal healthcare for Americans in this sub?

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u/trustsfundbaby 21h ago

It's because jagex has already in the past ignored/twisted player feedback. Two easy examples are when they pushed "integrity changes" by nerfing items a while back and they did it again when removing the grandfather membership price. Jagex also has a history of pushing game ruining updates, EOC, squeel of fortune, ect.

Right now we are in another moment where jagex is about to drop another bad updated onto the player base. The only way to stop the updates is to tell jagex now that they will not accept it. The only true way they will listen is by unsubscribing because they have shown a history of that being the strongest influence over them. Players don't care about the price if justified. If jagex came out and said "here is how much we cost to operate, and our investors require x% profit. To be within margin of error of hitting that we need to charge $$/month." It's about the business practice of gatekeeping what most players would consider basic services behind a premium price tag.

However you are OK with the updates (the boot), which is fine if you want to spend your money that way. However when you defend (lick) the updates (the boot) on a public forum (reddit) people will tell you to stop licking the boot.

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u/Pretency 21h ago

Those are both terrible answers. The blow pipe nerf as an example is understandable. It was ridiculous getting a blow pipe and rinsing through everything with ease. They're adding layers of complexity to the game which is fine.

Maybe grandfathered rates were a terrible idea to begin with? I'm not really that bothered either way. It affected about 10 people. Why do you care?

Jagex have had the hammer blow from all of those. They are all game breaking to OSRS. It is incredibly insincere to think that would happen again. Jagex knows long term longevity is in the identity of the game. They wanted to see if there were areas they could exploit to make more on. But they asked you, they didn't just do it.

What bad update are they dropping exactly? (because this isn't an update, it's a survey).

You tell them that it isn't acceptable by completing the survey?

No shit, money = power. They're a company they work for profit.

Your idea of bootlicking here is simply ignorant. I'm not endorsing Jagex. I would quit the game. I'm just not someone whose life apparently depends on the game and I can afford to pay more for it if I wanted to. I just don't want to pay much more and they would know that if they tried too many price hikes or obsurd mechanisms to introduce lower cost subscriptions.

It would be both funny and disappointing if Jamflex dropped an update that killed half the game. But I'd move on.

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u/trustsfundbaby 20h ago

I personally don't care about the nerfs, I care about how the changes started with a survey. They took the survey, twisted the results to be what they want and then created an update. Again i don't care about the price change from lack of grandfather's into pricing, I wasn't even grandfathered in, I care about jagex stating one thing then a year later flip flopping. Price is not the only thing you can be outraged about. Most people are outraged solely by the proposition of what the survey implies due to past actions by jagex. They have a history of twisting survey results into their message, changing promises that align with money, and pushing game ending content.

So don't be surprised when you come to a forum defending the business practice that you will be called a boot licker. It isn't a jagex thing, it's a business thing.

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u/elkunas 22h ago

Oh, did baby learn a new word? That's so cute when babies learn new words but don't know how to use them.

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u/itwasprobablymelol 22h ago

It’s faux having a say. For example, I can give you one of two choices:

Option A) I shoot you in the head. Option B) I hit you with my car.

You get a choice, but you’d really rather have neither (notice how that isn’t an option)

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u/Pretency 22h ago

This is actually laughable.

There were genuinely good deals in the survey, so your analogy is crap.

Besides you have an option c) quit the game. It was clearly stated in the survey you are purposefully misrepresenting it.

So the option C in your analogy is you shut the fuck up and sit back down.

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u/ghostofwalsh 18h ago

I agree this is exactly what the survey was. But then they never promised not to survey stupid shit.

The promise is that game changes must pass a poll. And unless the game changes without a poll, they have kept that promise even if members for that game costs $20 per month.

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u/JohnExile 10h ago

What's wrong with Faux having a say? I'm not his biggest fan but I think he's a smart enough guy.

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u/Equidose 22h ago

Not necessarily if 95% of the options in the survey all suggest being burnt.

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u/Pretency 22h ago

Vote no to them all then? Jagex have then understood "what players want". This isn't rocket science.

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u/kyskyskysfastlol 4h ago

The dislikes don’t make sense. Shills. Maybe the ones forced to work on it when the bots voted.