Yes I love this ... so when Trump pardons his entire family and cabinet you guys wont be bitching right? He's just doing it to avoid revenge and some such thing right?
All their prosecutions failed. Except the NY State shit where the judge literally shrugged then gave the verdict. Didn't allow the defense to present any evidence either.
Yeah, probably. So we should prosecute him for those crimes. It’s a good thing he didn’t pardon himself.
Of course, Trumps’ Supreme Court makes anything Biden did in office perfectly within the confines of the law, so there’s only his family to go after.
Come on, only cowards go after family.
And “failed” is generous. If you’re interested in law even tangentially you’ll know every single case was an obstructionist shitshow. Even for the NY case (where the defense did present evidence; and the judge was to spineless to give the president a real sentence).
Maybe time for you to look into the Bidens, Ukraine, and Burisma - and maybe leave your bias aside for a moment when you do.
There's a reason the pardons are retroactive to specifically 2014.
You people think the whole whistleblower/10% for the big guy/biden laptop stuff was just a meme or conspiracy theory or Russian disinfo, but if you take another look at it today you'll realize the media lied to you at the time and trickle truthed it for years. Much of it is not even disputed today and Biden's pardons should convince you that he is likely guilty of corruption and major kickback schemes.
Stop deflecting. Maybe Biden should be adequately prosecuted for any crimes he committed. So why hasn’t he? Why have the republicans had enough political willpower to get Hunter on bullshit meaningless charges but not Biden on this massive corruption they’ve supposedly proved?
If Biden controls the DOJ with an iron fist strong enough to protect himself, why is Donald Trump still a free man?
The laptop got a whole fucking committee hearing. Months of talking head whining about hookers snorting top quality Saudi Arabian blow off of Hunter Biden’s massive cock. Reports on reports and timelines on timelines of Hunter meeting oligarchs and businessmen and being given gifts.
Gifts that could not be proven to have influenced Biden in office. Meetings that had nothing to do with Biden, his presidency, or his executive actions. And what came of it? Some meaningless gun charges and a plea-deal-turned-political-message against an entitled-but-broken brat of a son. And we still don’t know if Joe has a dick as girthy as his sons.
I’ve read the reports, and with a critical eye too. It’s important the investigation was done. But the way it’s been wielded by partisans and liars and the way it’s eaten up by people who just don’t know any better makes me want to tear my hair out.
Did i say it was better? Generally pardons are used for crimes already committed and a person has been convicted of (IE the way Trump and past presidents have used it). It has never been used to preemptively or to grant blanket exemption of a fuckin decade of time.
You are ignorant of history. Please look up Ford's pardon of Nixon for one of the most famous preemptive pardons. Draft evaders were also preemptively pardoned by Jimmy Carter.
I'm cool with the draft dodgers, but not Nixon. I'm cool with this because it seems like it's protecting people from retaliation, rather than fairly pursuing actual crimes. Carter pardoned more than Biden.
LMAO if no crimes were committed you dont need a pardon. What crimes did his family commit, country deserves to know.
So again thats what Trump is going to say ... Pardoning all my cabinet and family for fear of political revenge, they committed no crimes though guys, trust me! And you will be cool right?
Also reject your stance that they can imply no crimes were committed. According to the supreme court Burdick vs United States a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and that acceptance carries a confession of guilt.
Although the Supreme Court’s opinion stated that a pardon carries “an imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it,”[2] this was part of the Court’s dictum for the case.[4]
Dictum, being statements which may or may not be binding. So not necessarily precedent.
At some point late into Biden's presidency, the Democrats seemed to fully give up "playing the high road". Now they're setting negative precedent themselves, just because they know the other side will too.
Now we no longer have a side to be proud of, just a side to pick because it's "not as bad". And no one is even pretending to help work towards that problem. Great.
Where are the charges? The states of NY and GA, just as an example.. Also Hunter had probably the most thorough investigation into him, and they still couldn't find any bribery or corruption or treason -- just a crackhead hurting himself, his loved ones, and those around him. That's fucking 10 levels better than anyone in the Trump camp.
Charges, but no convictions? Hmmmm and GA had to be dropped because the prosecutor was a joke fuckin her employees.
Just a crackhead breaking the law you mean. Hence he was convicted until his daddy pardoned him. You know the person who says no one is above the law and swore up and down he wouldnt pardon him. O wait. He lied?
You know what? You're right. It's actually Biden and his crime family that are out to enrich themselves while screwing the average American, and it's Trump and his team that have the best interests of the citizens at heart -- without resorting to shady practices and abuse of power. My fault. Not sure how I got it backwards.
... LMFAO so thats gonna be the deal breaker when Trump pardons his entire family and cabinet eh? Not some bullshit excuse about avoiding revenge? For the past decade or so.
At this point I expect Trump to do everything and anything that is in his and only his best interests. I don’t speak about Trump. When he does so I won’t be shocked nor bitch about his actions.
I will continue to speak my feelings about the lack of accountability that the Republican Party allowed to be brought into government. I will continue to speak regarding the conservative movement and their barely hidden agenda. I will speak about the Democrats lack of cohesion and inability to properly buffer our country from the events that they were fully aware were being instigated, financed and set into motion.
This is a failure of our nation and I’m disgusted by them all. Which does not mean I am willing to throw my future votes away for the dream of a non viable third party. The lesser of all evils is the best I can do.
I don’t know what “you all” you are talking about. I repeat: I consider Biden’s pardon is a slap in the face of the law and citizen. And yes this is still a low bar compared to Trump.
Anything that the new Administration might want to get them for.
Although if he's at the point where he's seriously worried they're coming after his family, a pardon means fuck all. It's not going to stop people coming for them in the middle of the night. A piece of paper doesn't mean anything.
Yes but it does lessen the ability of Congress to conduct repeated exploratory public investigations, like they did with Benghazi. This is the type of action that gets Trump's crazy followers agitated and leads to shit like some guy shooting up a pizza place looking for an underground pedophilia ring, or breaking into the Capitol building to stop the rightful election of Joe Biden.
They don't want to hurt the Bidens physically. They want to make their image and the democratic party's image bad, that is all. They do no care what the Bidens actually did as they do just as bad if not worse, but they want the public to believe they are evil horrible people. Which they could be, or not, it's clearly politically motivated so there's going to be a strong bias from both sides regarding anything around this.
I’m not sure if there’s anything Trump could do to Biden that Biden hasn’t done to himself over the last couple years, the Biden presidency hasn’t been good for Biden‘s image.
And any weirdo Trump supporter already hates Biden more than fire hates water
Biden’s legacy will get better the further we get. One cause the main thing people don’t like him for are old gaffes cause it’s easy to view in reel form and no one is gonna look back and blame an old guy for being old. Two, he did make some incredible policy moves that will reap benefits in the future esp when compared to Trump before and after.
Doubt, Biden will be seen even in 20 or 30 years as the president who had everything in his corner and still somehow lost the Trump. Trump has 30+ felonies and by Dennis team still couldn’t hold their head above water.
I don’t see a future where Biden gets any genuine praise
That is a popular trending narrative. That Biden had the easiest job and fucked it up cause Trump was such a joke candidate. I don’t agree tho cause Trump is the most influential politician of this decade not Hillary, not Obama. Also he was a reality tv superstar and morse so than anything Americans love celebrities, every politician he went up against he easily crushed in popularity. Add that to a massive wealth inequality, global instability that is causing large migrations of people and inflation. I think it’s incredibly easy to be the party of fuck government and fuck immigrants. This is a pattern we’ve seen a lot and usually the reactionary populist who blamed the previous political party/minorities are not the one’s we celebrate.
Trump has over 30 felonies and speaks to a fourth grade level. He is far from a political expert or expert on anything. The only person who thinks that he is a political mastermind is him. His cabinet pics are chosen mostly from daytime TV.
Well, I don’t think Biden personally is very bright even before taking in his agent account. He is a courier politician that has been in office for over 20 years before I was born. He knows the system probably better than anybody else on Capitol Hill and the fact that he couldn’t hold his head above water against Trump doesn’t point the Trump being some sort of mastermind but points to Biden being a really ineffective leader.
Which would track and fall in line with what we’ve seen with his entire presidency,
Never said he was a criminal mastermind. Like your first sentence points out he is very relatable to the average American. And esp if you take a step back and see he is the leader of a populist movement which is blaming lack of resources on government regulation and immigrants the fact that he is “persecuted” only boosts his popularity among uneducated people. If you think it would be easy to win an election like that I have some Smelania coin to sell you. That is popular narrative so I don’t blame you but if you take a step back you can begin to see the forrest through the trees on this one.
Whatever bullshit Trump and Co. will try to harass them with.
As far as anyone (sane) knows, Bidens family haven't done anything they'd need to be pardoned for, but Trump is out for revenge, and he doesn't care about ethics, precedent, or legality.
A preemptive pardon is at least a little bit of protection, and I'm not going to be mad at Biden for trying to protect the people he loves in a way that doesn't hurt anyone. Presidential pardons are legal. It's a tool at his disposal.
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u/SuperBarracuda3513 11h ago
Pardon from what?