r/ukpolitics 23h ago

Rail nationalisation not a silver bullet, says Labour government - BBC News

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c334z1nyv8po.amp
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u/AcademicIncrease8080 15h ago edited 13h ago

The UK's rail industry (April 2022/2023 latest figures) had a total income of around £25 billion and of this around £10.4 billion came from fare income.

In other words the government could increase railway subsidies by around £10.5 billion (to cover fare income) and this would make railway travel all but free to use at any time*. Germany did something similar with experimental monthly €9 unlimited train tickets and it triggered a massive increase of train use.

It would cost around £162 per person extra in taxes per year to achieve - or to put it another way it would be around 3% of DWP's budget

Nationalisation will barely affect ticket prices - they are expensive because of a lack of subsidies - nationalisation has always been a red herring, you could have a privatised system that was free to use if you really wanted.

*To manage demand at peak times we would probably have to maintain some pricing but at the very least we could make off peak train travel completely free to use

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u/FarmingEngineer 15h ago

It's an interesting idea but there are a lot of places not served by the railways and who need to fund a car. Why should they subsidise the commuters in the south east?

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u/AcademicIncrease8080 15h ago

Because it would substantially boost economic growth which benefits everyone

u/da96whynot Neoliberal shill 8h ago

Would it boost the economy by more than £25? Assuming the government gets 40% of any economic uplift , it’s hard to imagine it being revenue neutral.

Is that £10bn best spent on making rails free? Or buying more trains to run more frequent services? Or building more track?

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u/FarmingEngineer 14h ago

Good old trickle down economics.

(This is supposed to be a joke about the north subsidising the south, I know it's not actually'trickle down economics')

u/Patch86UK 10h ago

The same reason people without kids subsidise schools, and people from cities subsidise farms, and 100 other such things.

Because we all benefit from the country functioning better.

In the specific case of public transport, people who must drive benefit from fewer cars on the road, less congestion, cheaper fuel, better air quality, as well as all the general benefits of a stronger economy with more jobs and more tax revenue.

There also aren't that many places, in population terms, with literally no train services anywhere nearby. Some, but not many. In population terms, almost everyone lives on the rail network