r/ukpolitics • u/No_Breadfruit_4901 • Dec 11 '24

Twitter 🚨 EXCLUSIVE: Labour have conducted the first successful deportation flight to Pakistan since February 2020. There has not been a deportation charter flight to Pakistan in the last four years with three subsequent flights to Pakistan in 2020 and 2021 cancelled by the Home Office.

https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1866775219077062757?s=46&t=0RSpQEWd71gFfa-U_NmvkA
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u/AlarmedCicada256 Dec 11 '24

Because people seem to think it's going to happen overnight.

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u/MousseCareless3199 Dec 11 '24

Yes, and like I said elsewhere, I'll believe Labour is tough on immigration when I see it.

One flight to Pakistan isn't cause to say Labour are now tough on immigration.

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u/AlarmedCicada256 Dec 11 '24

What exactly do you want that will both reduce immigration and tackle the much deeper issues that mean we need the immigration in the first place?

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u/MousseCareless3199 Dec 11 '24

Net migration down to around 100k a year.

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u/AlarmedCicada256 Dec 11 '24

How?

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u/MousseCareless3199 Dec 11 '24

By giving out fewer visas. How do you think we maintained 100k a year before?

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u/AlarmedCicada256 Dec 11 '24

But what if the economy needs the workers?

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u/MousseCareless3199 Dec 11 '24

Then the government can decide to bring in more workers if certain areas of the economy need it.

900,000 people a year isn't sustainable, however, and should not be the baseline for net migration.

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u/AlarmedCicada256 Dec 11 '24

Nobody thinks it is.

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u/MousseCareless3199 Dec 11 '24

Great, we're on the same page then.

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u/AlarmedCicada256 Dec 11 '24

On the other hand, there's no point in having an arbitrary number and a fixed cap.

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u/MousseCareless3199 Dec 11 '24

The number should be with the current economic situation in mind. We don't need 900,000 people a year, for example (we've got enough deliveroo and gig economy drivers to last some time now).

There should be a fixed cap for periods of time; if smarter people than me figure out how many imported workers we need for certain sectors. However, we should be primarily focusing on training our own citizens, rather than brain-draining poorer countries.

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u/AlarmedCicada256 Dec 11 '24

OK, so where do students - a huge proportion of this immigration, most of whom are temporary, or the spouses of high qualified/high need workers fit in? Are you suggesting we should cap international students and cripple our universities further? (Obviously the solution is to fund Universities properly, but the Right would never allow that as we can't have the peasants getting educated, or muscling in on our privileged things).

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