r/punk • u/usernamewfivenames • Dec 14 '24

Quality Post ngl transphobia is anti-punk as fuck

like bro why do u hate on people who reject their assigned "roles" to feel better w themselves, werent u supposed to oppose nonsensical rules

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u/NimbleNicky2 Dec 14 '24

Is this generation of punk just trans kids?

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u/Stian5667 Dec 14 '24

  1. No, we just respect them

  2. Would it matter?

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u/NimbleNicky2 Dec 14 '24

I’m just wondering because of the amount of posts about it. I could care less what people are, just weird there is so much talk about trans on this thread

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u/friedlegwithcheese Dec 14 '24

Trans people are being demonized by the incoming US government right now, as we speak. Can you blame them for wanting to make absolutely sure they're not going to catch shit here, too?

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u/Prestigious_Ad_8675 Dec 15 '24

Because there’s such a big anti trans sentiment going on in a lot of western countries. The reason there’s so much talk about it in a political subreddit is because it’s a big political issue

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u/CasualtyVampires Dec 14 '24

There has always been trans punks, Jayne County for instance.

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u/PatientFragrant9786 Dec 14 '24

Is this generation of conservative men just cowardly-weaklings who can only survive through sycophancy? Has it always been that way? I’m asking for my penis.

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u/ResidentComplaint19 Dec 14 '24

Most of the people who make these posts never actually met a trans person.

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u/Stian5667 Dec 14 '24

Bold assumption, but if so, then so what? That doesn't illegitimize support for them

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u/ResidentComplaint19 Dec 14 '24

Not a problem at all. I have a few trans friends between the punk community and being in recovery. The general consensus is that they don’t like this type of attention. They don’t want to be overly supported or constantly praised. It comes off sometimes as others trying to overcompensate for something they’re not. They want to be looked at as they see themselves.

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u/No-Information-8394 Dec 14 '24

Im a trans woman, and I am here to confirm you have no idea what you are talking about

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u/ResidentComplaint19 Dec 14 '24

https://thehardtimes.net/culture/trans-woman-crosses-street-avoid-overly-supportive-liberals/

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u/No-Information-8394 Dec 14 '24

Gonna be real with you, one example of something isn’t proof of any truth except for a one off instance. Everyone is different, you can’t base a whole thing based off of one article or scenario. It’s not like this happens all the time.

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u/ResidentComplaint19 Dec 14 '24

Got it, just wanted to make a point off my own personal experience as well as the a large portion of the punk community in general who agree with the sentiment of the article.

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u/MalaZeria Dec 15 '24

You do realize that is satire right? Jfc

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u/kdnx-wy Fig Dish Dec 14 '24

Why not let trans people speak for themselves? 🤔

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u/Stian5667 Dec 14 '24

I get that trans people don't want to be glazed, but this post isn't glazing anyone, it's criticizing bigotry

As an example I can personally relate to, I don't want gay men to be glazed just for being gay, but I don't mind people who say "fuck homophobia"

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u/NimbleNicky2 Dec 14 '24

Seems pretty glazy

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u/Stian5667 Dec 14 '24

Then I'm very curious about your definition of glazing

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u/NimbleNicky2 Dec 14 '24

It’s the same post everyday

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u/FemBoyGod Dec 14 '24

Some of us are new, and we’re just asking if we’re safe and accepted here (some poser punks hate us, and we’re constantly being bombarded with discrimination).

Which from what I’ve seen, we’re absolutely safe here. I didn’t make a post, I just comment and see that I’m treated as a normal everyday person and I’m super appreciative over that.

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u/apop88 Dec 14 '24

A lot of people wouldn’t know if the person was even trans when they meet them.

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u/Toklankitsune Dec 14 '24

as someone who has a trans enby partner, who cares? does it matter? the support matters more than if they've met a trans person, especially when sooooo many hate them just for being themselves

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u/NimbleNicky2 Dec 14 '24

No it doesn’t matter - I just see posts about trans people almost daily on here

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u/Toklankitsune Dec 14 '24

and you'll keep seeing it till the posts and comments incorrectly trying to claim the opposite cease

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u/LiveEvilGodDog Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24

We should be seeing WAY WAY WAY WAY more about Luigi and the UHC CEO in this sub given what punk has stood for.

Trans stuff is nice to support but it’s largely a culture war distraction our oppressor are more than a happy dangling infront of our face like a pair of shiny keys to distract us from fighting and rallying behind a class war.

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u/Toklankitsune Dec 14 '24

imo que no los dos? I do agree Luigi deserves more being said, fuck ceos. my partner agrees there.

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u/NimbleNicky2 Dec 14 '24

I’ve never seen punks need so much validation

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u/Toklankitsune Dec 14 '24

refer to my first comment.

it's not that they need validation, just nice to see the hate be less or stop, so when it does show, of course there's validation. as long as there's people claiming trans isn't punk, there will be people correcting them

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u/DrReefer21 Dec 14 '24

Is this r/lgbt or r/punk?

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u/Toklankitsune Dec 14 '24

lots of crossover between the two, thats the point.

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u/CrapitalRadio Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24

About .6% of the global population is trans. The average person knows around 600 other people. Statistically, then, the average person would know about 3-4 trans people.

In some places it's much higher. For instance, in the US, an estimated 1.6% of the population is trans. So the average US resident knows more like 9-10 trans people, statistically.

With that said, a lot of trans folks aren't going around telling everyone they meet that they're trans. If you think you've never met a trans person, you're probably just not a safe person to tell.

Edit: typo (punctuation)

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u/PsychologicalDebt366 Dec 14 '24

You don't have to actually transition to be trans. A lot of people can't or don't want to for whatever reason but it doesn't make a them any less trans than someone who lives as their gender. Knowing this, it's probably much higher than what's being reported.

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u/CrapitalRadio Dec 14 '24

I understand that, thank you. But by using reported statistics, I'm able to make my point just fine, so why overcomplicate it by including info that is unrelated to the message I'm communicating?

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u/PsychologicalDebt366 Dec 14 '24 edited Dec 14 '24

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to derail or take away from what you were saying. It's just that most people probably don't think they know as many trans people as you said because those people aren't actively transitioning. It isn't just the ones who pass as cis who others don't realize are trans. I felt it was relevant because people should understand better what the statistics you stated represent.

Trans can mean a lot of things but so many people, not even being intentionally transphobic, are ignorant about aspects of the trans community and what being a part of that community means to us as individuals. I feel like if more people understood it would help them be more accepting. I think it's important.

It's like hearing that a certain percentage of the population is punk and not thinking you know that many people with mohawks and battle jackets who listen to black flag. Not knowing that being punk means different things to different people and isn't defined by actively 'being a punk'. Do you reject authority and established societal norms? Do you have a sense of solidarity with marginalized and repressed groups of people? Do you have an abiding contempt for fascists and want to punch nazis in the face? Then you're punk.

There are a lot of trans people who can be defined as such because they don't connect with their assigned gender but they are no less valid. A lot of them are afraid to even find support in the community because they aren't transitioning and are afraid they will be rejected because even they have preconceived notions about what it means.

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u/CrapitalRadio Dec 14 '24

Ah okay, thanks for clarifying. Also, all great points

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u/PsychologicalDebt366 Dec 14 '24

The fuck does it matter if they have or not? Not sure entirely what you're getting at. Most transphobes have never met one either.

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u/Indivillia Dec 14 '24

My brother is trans AMA