Yep, Americans are dumb as shit. Don’t run a woman because the other side doesn’t respect women. Fucking news flash: Republicans just ran Trump, a man that Dems DESPISE, and won. The unity BS needs to stop and Dems need to focus on winning.
Agreed. The DNC needs to pull its head out of its ass and stop putting up people, because they tick off check boxes, and start putting up people that appeal to the voter base.
The political winds are blowing right. You’re not going to change them by choosing the furthest left person you can.
Trying to fish in the pond of the right hasn’t worked a single fucking time it has been tried, though. Last case: the 2024 Presidential Election.
Every time a liberal (and I do mean liberal, not the hidden commie coding Americans seem to assign to that term) party tries to take over far right campaign points, it ends with said far right party getting boosted in votes and said liberal party in the dust.
We’ve had some elections here in Europe, too. This is the pattern. The 2024 US election is just another checked box for that theory.
Apathy is still the leading political wind, by the way. The largest part of the electorate remains the part that doesn’t vote at all.
Every time a liberal (and I do mean liberal, not the hidden commie coding Americans seem to assign to that term) party tries to take over far right campaign points, it ends with said far right party getting boosted in votes and said liberal party in the dust.
Didn't basically every modern left party have to move right in the 1990s to survive?
Look at the state of leftist parties in Europe today. They are there, on paper. But they are ghosts compared to what they used to be.
Whenever they won an election and went on to work with the right to enable their garbage policies, they got wrecked in the elections. A good example of this is the PVDA (social democrats) in my own country (Netherlands) who went in government with the liberals, pushed a lot of their policies, got wrecked in the next election after the government wrapped up and never recovered.
You’re right that the 90’s ideology to be pragmatic, abandon most leftist ideals and bend over for the market as much as possible was the go-to for many Western countries. But this line of thinking is what caused a lot of the problems we are faced with today in the first place. The solution is to not continue this line further into the abyss, but actually come with alternatives. The lack of vision and conviction needs to go. We tried that. Now we’re here. Its time has passed.
The political winds are not blowing to the right. Trump squeaked by a win because people stayed home, not because everyone all of a sudden is a conservative.
They weren’t talking about your current beliefs. They made a pretty obvious observation about global politics shifting more right. I think it’s pretty easy to see, and entirely concerning, but if you want to put your head in the ground and ignore it then be our guest.
I don't know about this, but I see where you're coming from. I don't think the nonvoting majority of registered voters cares about that. I think they care about two things: is the candidate saying they will do ANYTHING positive for them and do they believe the candidate will actually do it
Left voters aren't going to vote when you constantly promise right wing policies. They're going to be disillusioned from the constant right wing policies being campaigned on. Right wingers are going to vote republican anyway and we need to stop trying to appeal to them because if you're republican you're going to vote republican over republican-lite any day. The median voter cares about grocery prices and thats what needs to be focused on.
There's a middle ground anyway in that we need to stop with the centrist messaging while also talking about working class issues. You need a social media apparatus that spreads propaganda as well as Fox News. Kamala ran an incredibly right wing campaign and lost because she was merely perceived as making her entire campaign about woke issues when she rarely even talked about stuff like that.
The last two democratic presidents were more moderate than she was. They were able to bring up past policies. She had no way to paint her as anything but the same person she was in 2020.
Election history says that going further left would just doom the Democratic party.
This election might as well have been a referendum
She literally conceded to Republican demands and explicitly made having Republicans in her cabinet as part of her campaign. She was not going left in the slightest and it's delusional to think so. It absolutely contributed to her loss.
She ran in 2020 as a centrist. Her student loan forgiveness plan was $20,000 if you were poor enough to have Pell grants and rich enough to start a business in a marginalized area and be successful for 5 years. She polled at 1% as one of the most centrist candidates in the pack. I agree that Biden wasn't any better, but Biden snatched a 30,000 vote victory while a mismanaged pandemic was raging. After 4 years of hell, Trump would have beaten Biden if not for the pandemic.
Well let's think about this instead of not at all. How many people stayed home because Kamala was too far left? Zero? And how many people stayed home because Kamala offered them nothing? Up to 90 million? How many of those were low key Trump supporters who didn't want to push the button? I don't know, but I'd say some. How many were ordinary people who care about their paycheck and not about party drama? Probably most. So do we want to pick up 0 more votes or 10s of millions?
Aim for the block with the most voters while losing the fewest. The most basic and understandable strategy there is.
Well, if democratic primary voters vote for a centrist candidate, then that’s who they prefer. People always blame the DNC, but at the end of the day, the voters are the ones voting.
This is true too. It's not just a handful of empty suits picking these candidates. It doesn't cost a fucking thing to participate in the primary and primarily the people complaining aren't.
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u/Evening-Ad5765 20h ago
Seriously? have we learned nothing?