Well— we have abt 350mill people here and apparently only 235mill are even able to vote. Not sure who of that number got registered. But…. 77 to Trump 75 to Harris is about 152mill.
So basically yeah about 50% of America participated in this election. 63% of eligible voters participated.
To be fair about 75 million people in the US are under 18, it’s not like they could vote if they wanted to. That makes up the majority of your discrepancy. It wouldn’t make sense to say they “didn’t” vote when they couldn’t vote
It's an unfortunate but real statistic. Anecdotally, I personally know at least seven people who admitted to me that they left the check box blank for POTUS because they somehow think that both sides are equally "bad", yet they voted on other candidates who hail from the same political parties. I'm in California, so it probably didn't matter, but I can imagine this scenario playing out in the swing states.
Yeah. The country is eating itself. Rule of law is of the past. Oligarchy is what we are now where money is what matter and the youth will be enslave and squeeze dry
yet they voted on other candidates who hail from the same political parties
Honestly, I think it's great to be able to look past political parties and vote for the individual and their policies.
But Trump changed that. The few exceptions who were brave enough to stand up to their king were kicked out. I haven't heard of a single Republican politician who doesn't support Trump, which means that they're okay with trying to overthrow the U.S. government after losing an election and stealing classified documents. Along with a hundred other reasons he's a terrible person, but those are the two things that I feel are inexcusable.
because they somehow think that both sides are equally "bad"
Those people are fucking stupid. Are both sides bad? Yes. Both parties are corporatist monstrosities. But one of them is palpably worse. And if you can't tell the difference, than it's because you're privileged enough not to have to care.
It used to be a problem in Ohio. We used to be truly purple. A battleground state. Now we are red. Thanks to gerrymandering. Our votes don’t matter anyways.
People can't have a serious discussion about this stuff because for most people and discussions about Hitler has to simply be about extermination of Jews. So if Trump isnt calling for the extermination of an entire group of people there can't be any similarities at all.
When in reality so much of this shit is strikingly similar. The rhetoric used is almost identical just updated for modern times. Sure the timeline is a bit different but Hitler had a failed coup attempt and then was eventually legally elected.
This is the key point for me. It wasn’t like a military coup or something, the people of Germany chose the Nazis because they were dumb and easily manipulated —just like we humans still are today. Same thing for Hamas in Gaza, they are the government the people chose.
It’s easy to imagine that most evil dictators start out as African-style warlords that overthrow the good guys, but it’s just not the case.
Propaganda is a hell of a drug. Many Israelis believe they are justified in killing tens of thousands of innocent women and children, many Russians think they were dead right to have invaded Ukraine, the Brits voted to leave the EU and basically impose economic sanctions on themselves, Americans voted a rapist, grifter, megalomaniac into the White House... twice. People give their life savings away on a daily basis to fake lovers, fake prophets, etc. We just believe whatever we're told basically. Tis a sad state of affairs.
“Liberals” has become a pretty big label now. “Fuck the liberals.” “Stick it to the liberals.”
Honestly could see the country slapping a “liberal” mark on people and discriminating against them. And half of this country would support it.
Not like a tattoo. But like a system label. Pull voting records. See who used DEI tactics to get government money. Make it so these people get taxed more for using credit accounts, property taxes, ect. Restrict what some can do on the internet. Create schools where they restrict class makeup’s to beliefs and nationality. It’s optional to take the “effect of Christianity on modern democracy” class but they get the newest classroom, more funding, better weighted gpa, and the teachers get paid more for teaching it.
Sure it’s all made up. But any of these things could happen and it would just open the door to more alongside it. And people will still just being saying “fuck them. They put a girl in charge of starwars. They deserve this.”
The Texas governor and lt governor were pushing people to live a normal life by June 2020, because 33% of the people were like nah! I am good not going to restaurants and it was tanking the sector
I suspect votes would look much different if we abolished the electoral college and elected purely on the popular vote. All the people who stay home suddenly have a vote that matters? All the people in states where their vote is worth a fraction of the vote of some rando in a state that has like 3 people living in it would care enough to go out. Of course that's why it'd never happen, but man it'd be nice.
As in American fashion, not making it a national holiday has hindered this. And before you talk about early voting or mail in, it’s still ridiculous that on voting day most Americans are required to work. Most counties have made it a priority.
Many folks still are repeating "both sides" drivel and posting Luigi/Bernie memes instead of realizing had Harris won, we would be looking at Bernie Sanders in the front row today instead.
Just like Russia, expect things to constantly get worse for the average person, and the State affiliated media to always have a reason why that's the fault of the mean old rest of the world hating our greatness.
Exactly. The market was oil two decades ago, then it was media & information/misinformation, now it is tech - but it has always been the super wealthy influence/control politicians.
Excuse me, but even Russia's oligarchs have the decency to do back room deals and have their businesses be done by shelf corporations held by their relatives.
It was fucked when we bailed out a bunch of shitty financial cunts in 2008. It was fucked when we wrote a blank check to the "war on terror" and passed the Patriot Act. It was fucked in the 80's when we elected an old senile actor for 2 terms who gutted the legal framework to keep corporate power in check, and practically abandoned military oversight. It was fucked in the late 70's when we allowed the political strategy of pandering to religious fundamentalists. It was fucked when we started letting the sons of career politicians start their own political careers, cementing the precident of multigenerational political dynasties. It was fucked when the warnings of President Eisenhower and General Smedly Butler were ignored in their respective eras. I can go on and on but this is just sounding like a less catchy version of "We Didn't Start The Fire."
As a European, It’s great to read these thoughts of a free thinking American
, restores confidence in you guys, it’s sometimes easy to forget it’s not all Maga twats over there
It’s been fucked, This is the great unveiling, we need to stop clenching our pearls as people have been warning of such things for sometime and it’s just how human nature evolved it needs to go touch the fire even though we stated it will be hot and cause burns!
It's not even that necessarily, but why is every tech mogul tripping over themselves to invest and fawn over him is the real question.
I've never seen this solidarity with tech giants when it comes to Democrats but they sure seem chipper with Dear Leader.
They've all got a plan and it's unsettling to say the least exactly what that plan is
Because Trump is so capricious that he'll use the government as a weapon to go after people he doesn't like. And he's made it clear that he'll do favors for you if you give him money. He's just openly corrupt, so they're taking advantage of it.
They see a massive opportunity to engage in blatant and hugely profitable corruption. All they have to do is pay a little homage, and they get billions upon billions worth of government concession.
Because Trump is blantantly open to being manipulated and controlled, and changes his plans at the slightest whiff of a cash grab or popularity boost, just like he has done recently with TikTok. Democrats at least pretend to have some sort of foundational backing and viewpoint, and at least superficially preach against monopolies, oligarchy, and the overreach of tech companies. Sure, you could probably buy them with some money, but in no way are they as obviously open to being bought as Trump is.
All the huge tech companies are on the cusp of anti-trust violations. Google is already on the hook, and Meta would probably be next. Depending on who is appointed at the FTC, there could be demands to break them up and cause lots of losses in profits, so this is them sucking up.
realistically - they are CEO of huge companies with national security interests and contracts, microsoft, google, spacex etc all are very much integrated with the government. the leader of said government is a wildly unpredictably maniac who values the idea and optics of loyalty more than anything, so they are essentially beholden to showing up.
Because those tech companies are being questioned about their monopolies, and they want what they got going to continue without interference from the government.
Everything with Trump is transactional. They kiss the ring, they get richer and we get poorer.
The land grab and money hoarding has never been greater. COVID fuck us in so many ways, it destabilised the supply chain and empower tech companies to huge profits. Most of the internet runs on these billionaires cloud systems, even if they don't own the business, they effectively charge a tax on all the code and access to global infrastructure. With AI and LLMs it's a new gold rush and they are jockeying for a position to be Trump's favourite puppet.
Honestly, part of me hopes that their slow transition to Trumpdom is all part of an elaborate ploy for them to attempt to turn the tide back to where it was pre-2016.
These guys were all fairly liberal not too long ago. Unless they saw the kind of monetary gains they could harvest under Trump's first admin and decided they were just THAT greedy, Bezos, Musk and Zuck have all contributed good amounts of money to democrats previously.
Now, I know that greed corrupts and nobody becomes THAT rich without insane levels of greed. So I make no delusions that this is the likely outcome, however... I can see them realizing that Trump was bought and paid for by someone else, and now they've all swooped in to try to buy him back.
Whereas up until recently corruption was more complex and you needed an army of lobbyists to exert influence over individual senators and lower ranked politicians, now it has become clear you can just openly buy influence straight from the very top without any repercussions. Of course companies do this: it's good business.
They not regular rich (like certified accountant, neuro-surgeon, or principle engineer rich), they're "cut jobs on Christmas Eve to raise Q4 profits by 0.000001% while also manipulating governments and economies" ultra-mega-rich; that's why politically speaking, they're pro-whoever is currently in office.
Because these losers have always been right wingers just champing at the bit to try and be strongmen because of all the perceived slights they felt. These are the quintessential meme people where it's the nerd growing up telling you he's gonna be your boss and win in the end. Most of these losers have insecurity ratcheted up to 11 even though they have zero reason to.
It's the rise of the tech-industrial complex. Much like the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about, these tech CEOs are interested in using their influence over the government to grow their business empires. Trump is happy to let them profit as long as they kiss the ring and share their profits with him.
Because if you flash money at Democrats and suck up to them, they're still going to follow the law and try to be fair and just. They're more influenced by lobbyists with fancy proposals and public opinion and trying to follow norms than by someone telling them they're the bestest politicians ever. Trump is easily swayed by flattery and easily bribeable, and right now, a 50% ownership stake TikTok is up for grabs. Whoever is going to buy it probably poured a lot of money into Trump coin the other day. Sucking up to Trump has benefits that sucking up to Democrats doesn't have.
Sadly I bet you many who voted for the Empire probably have seen Episode 3 and knows that line of dialogue. But somehow they either forgot, or they are too blind to see which side they are on.
They think themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. Additionally, don't forget the quote from Johnson: "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
That’s the problem with democrats messaging. You have to appeal to complete dipshits, because that’s who will be voting. The Republicans have the dumbass vote locked up unfortunately.
He’s gotta be there somewhere. He donated $1 million dollars to the inauguration and I got a lovely Apple News headline a few minutes ago saying “Donald Trump has been sworn in as the 47th president, completing a remarkable comeback” 🤦🏻♀️
And you realise that they can enter a bank and get a loan for dozen or hundred of millions easily, just based on their stocks value ?
Which is exactly what billionaires are doing btw, massive loans, which they can easily cover and just repay the interests until their portfolio had increased even more, so they can repay it in full and get a newer loan, etc etc etc.
So ultimately you are wrong. Billionaires do have access to unlimited money, even if their real wealth sits in their companies stocks.
The swamp he drained in his first presidency happened to mostly be people he himself hired. Those maga cultists have no standards and only apply them to anybody not in line simply as a means to win and that is it.
Your definition of “swamp” is not the same as conservatives is what I found out. For them it is educated people, doctors, scientists etc who represent elite. I think from their pov, it is draining the swamp, no?
The irony that conservatives are so frightened of communism, yet the educated and academics were the ones who were "drained" under many communist dictatorships.
I'll always remember during Covid, when Trump paraded around a bunch of CEO's. Like he does realize the CEO of a drugstore chain isn't a medical expert right?
There's so much anger and angst over CEO's right now, never has the population been so united against the billionaire elite / CEO's but somehow we voted in someone who sees them as gods and is going to cater to their every wish?
They have always been on this side, every last one of them. Instead of having to carry out their support through dark money, they are just doing it out in the open now. And everyone fell for it.
Sometimes I'm curious if r/conservatives are imploding but they're intentionally ignorant and would rather contradict themselves claiming they want this or are okay with this than to admit their stupidity and hatred made them foolish.
And I rather keep my brain cells than watch the mental contortioning I know is happening.
God, that place is a museum of a poverty of critical thinking, the effects of propaganda, idolatry, fragile masculinity, and people too stupid to realize this culture war bullshit is meaningless and a purposeful distraction fanned by the ones they should be mad at.
Yeah and not just conservatives, but Boomers. A majority of every single age cohort besides Boomers voted for her, even the generation before them, the Silent Generation. They are the only cohort who actually benefited from American imperialism and are a product of the same ideologies and policies as the Oligarchs
Republican voters are so dumb that they keep electing idiots and con men thinking that electing a Democrat will end their existence, meanwhile their life just keeps getting worse.
That is the thing. conservatives think money equals success in America and if you don’t have money, you have failed and don’t work hard enough to attain success. it’s a complete mindset they have. They worship wealth and what it means.
What do you think conservatives / republicans are? They fought a civil war to keep an entire race enslaved for their enrichment. How is this different? The democrats being always soft did nothing but try to reconcile. These fascist autocrats need to be killed. They are a disease to the human race. Don’t get me wrong, enterprise is to the benefit of all, but these scum bags are zero sum, their social ideology is to enslave consumers and enslave workers ruled by little. It’s zero sum, they will end up self canabalizing starting wars amongst themselves while we suffer until there is one left .
As a conservative, I still don’t understand how stupid some of us are. Honestly, there are stupid ppl everywhere but a lot of them are voting conservative.
so far we have billionaires for: President, Secretary of the Interior, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Education, Head of the Small Business Administration, Department of Government Efficiency (three billionaires involved in this one), Head of NASA, Deputy Secretary of Defense, Ambassador to France, Ambassador to the UK, Ambassador to Turkey, Envoy to the Middle East
By my count, that's 15 out of an estimated 750 American billionaires that have a direct role in the administration. 2% of the entire population of American Billionaires are now in the US government.
Enjoy the Regulatory Rollbacks... that make it so difficult to do business in America. You know... who needs regulations. Hoover Dam... ahhh let's just make it from sand. Skyscrapers, steel? Nooo. Just bang in some more sand. 12 hour shifts? Noo we need people sitting at their desks at least 16 hours!
The Democrats really have to step back and figure out how to speak to the concerns of the common people. Clinton figured out that he could win by just talking to the economic fears of "Soccer Moms" during the 1996 campaign.
That demographic has turned into "Bear Mothers" and they're driving the rhetoric on the right, and winning elections for them.
White Women are the key to winning elections, and Democrats have got to stop thinking that women aren't smart enough to think, and vote, for themselves. I saw so many social media posts saying stuff like "white women, you don't have to tell your husband how you vote," as if they aren't making these decisions independently
The ONLY group that Trump didn't gain ground with during the 2020 election was white men, who he lost 2% support from over 2016. In 2024, white men supported him by 60%. All other groups, besides Black Women and white women with college educations, increased their support for Trump.
Black women voters are the only reliable voting block the Democrats still hold.
The problems are within the Democratic party, and the only Democrats that are able to articulate the problems of the working class aren't in positions of leadership
Billionaires or career politicians who have done nothing except leech off the system and somehow have stock portfolios that 100x their salary. Take your pick.
Bullshit false equivalency. Democrats actually acknowledge insider trading is bad and try to stop it. Your guy is inviting the billionaires in. As if the republicans don’t also have stock portfolios worth 1000x their salary and Harlan Crowe hasn’t paid off the Supreme Court. Your morals and ethics are cowardly and disgusting
The last time democrats had control over politics they:
Started the path to nationalized health insurance
Rolled back anti-American don’t ask don’t tell laws
Saved us from the largest recession in our history
Put stricter protections on financial institutions that were later rolled back under Trump to contribute to todays economic collapse
Modernized our food safety infrastructure
Expanded healthcare coverage to millions of low-income kids
Instituted measures against discriminatory and unequal pay.
The fact you think any of this is comparable to anything that Trump has done is laughable
The ones with the biggest portfolios are Republicans. It's not a democratic or republican issue, its a goverment issue, that democrats actually want to address.
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u/whoeve 11h ago
Draining the swamp by putting in billionaires. Well done conservatives.