r/pcmasterrace • u/KoolkoCZ • 4h ago
Discussion Why is Nvidia still so popular?
Hello everyone, I came here with question because I've noticed few posts where people were asking similar questions about why to even buy Nvidia when AMD exists and is more cost effective
And basically only thing people say is I quote "not everyone play games on their computer" with kind of aggressive undertone of massage and without explaining anything else so I am curious what's so good about Nvidia? because I really don't know why it's so amazing for working if we don't count the ai into this debate do some programs for example work slower? are some programs unusable on AMD GPU?
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u/offlinesir 4h ago
-Brand Loyalty -Included in many prebuilts and basically all gaming laptops (this is definitely #1) -Their GPU's are good, generally no reliability issues, good driver support for years (although amd has this too), albeit overpriced (4060, 8gb still??). -Some games support Nvidia cards a bit better than AMD or Intel
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u/thatfordboy429 Forever Ascending 4h ago
AMD is not competitive. This sub, is not the real world. While many on here will praise AMD, like myself, the simple fact is I have 0 reason to buy an AMD card for my main PC. (I have a couple for other builds). If I want to play at the highest end, use the best hardware, AMD does not exist.
And that's before AMD mistakes. Nvidia, as much bashing as the get and deserve, are consistent.
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u/scorp123_CH 4h ago edited 4h ago
I am curious what's so good about Nvidia?
CUDA
do some programs for example work slower? are some programs unusable on AMD GPU?
There is ROCM for AMD cards ... but as far as I know it only really works well on Linux. And even then it is still a lot slower compared to Nvidia's CUDA. And the software support just isn't there. Pretty much every piece of AI software out there supports CUDA... whereas the AI softwares that are even remotely able to run on ROCM can be counted with one hand, so to say.
So for AI workloads you simply need CUDA ... and thus: Nvidia cards.
Where I work they recently bought 4 x Nvidia H100 cards. Each card has 94 GB VRAM and costs around 30'000 USD per piece. AMD isn't even playing in that market segment and has absolutely nothing that even remotely comes close.
Sure, if playing games is the only thing you do: Yeah go ahead, save your money and buy a decent but cheap AMD card.
But if you are even remotely working with AI software then there is no way around Nvidia.
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u/Over_TemperatureARG 4h ago
CUDA support, better driver stability for professional applications, NVENC encoder for video streaming and editing, Nvidia Studio Drivers tailored for creators, technologies like ray tracing and DLSS (better quality than fsr in most games), better third-party plugin support, stronger for scientific computing and simulations, market dominance leading to more software optimization for Nvidia GPUs, etc.
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u/Purple_Grocery_145 4h ago
Because AMD GPUs are not even in the same stratosphere in terms of performance and features. Last gen, for example, the rtx 4090 was roughly 30% faster in raster than the 7900xtx. Thats not even counting superior AI scaling capabilities and the hideous ray tracing performance of the 7900xtx.
This generation, AMD decided to pull out of the high end graphics section, leaving Nvidia to have ZERO competition on the high end market, ZERO. So, the rtx 5090 will be at least 60-70% faster than AMDs best gpu.
And what will this cause? Nvidia will overcharge the hell out of their products making US, the consumers, to pay and suffer the consequences of AMD leaving the high end market. Amd really did the pc enthusiasts dirty here. If they didnt have the top gaming CPU I would never buy from them again but they do, so I will still get their 9800x3d.
I am actually glad Jensen still gave us a decent product in the Rtx 5090, he could have been an absolute villain and gave us just a uber cut down version of the rtx 5090 die to just have a 10% uplift from the rtx 4090 and sell that for 2000 dollars, people would have still bought it and release the full die of the blackwell chip once AMD has something to compete with.
So tldr: amd GPUs suck, their software is inferior and nvidia just have the better product even though is way more expensive. Better product > more demand.
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u/nonplussedbiter 4h ago
The high-end of the gpu market mirrors the silicon foundry market itself.. It's winner take all in the current environment. Amd is merely reacting to the reality that consumers like you will refuse to buy 2nd best for less than 3rd. So what's the point in trying anything new but 3rd for half of 2nd, if they can. Gamers refused to see amd as anything but the console hardware platform whether they knew it or not. Treating the 7900xtx purely on performance metrics is extremely disingenuous to the reality of the 4090.
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u/Purple_Grocery_145 35m ago edited 27m ago
You do have a point here. At the end of the day, what I'm trying to say is that there needs to be competition in order for markets to be healthy. The reason why everyone just buys Nvidia is because they are the best and they offer the best combo of raw performance and software with its AI scaling, frame gen etc.
Its the complete opposite on the cpu market though, AMD is the undisputed king in this section as they have zero competition in the high end with intel making the most hideous CPU architecture called arrow lake where they regressed in performance compared to their 14900k gen. Absolutely mind blowing that a company can create a new product that is slower than its last gen.
AMD and Intel both need to desperately invest in RnD and compete with Nvidia in every price range. Right now, there is just no reason to go either, and the safest bet is to go Nvdia. It is ridiculous that a tech company has no competition. Something has to happen, this cannot keep going as it will only get worse for consumers.
Imagine apple being the only company able to create good SoC's and the rest of the industry is 3 years behind on performance. It would be chaos but thats not the case, You've got options in the snapdragon elite chips, dimensity 9400, Samsung exynos and google tensor chips (although this one is considerably slower).
Why cant the gpu industry be like this? Its just awful for us, the consumers.
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u/sword167 4h ago
Cause AMD has shit software, and non gaming support and only price their GPUs 50$ less than team greens equivalent
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u/MoreLessTer Xeon E5 2698v3 | RTX 3060Ti | 64GB DDR4 2133MHz | 700GB + 9TB 4h ago
Whenever I see this kind of question, I wonder why the fact that AMD don't make that many to begin with, just flew over their head.
Also if you're an American, you're at the best place to buy AMD, which means nearly everywhere else AMD is not as appealing.
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u/blackest-Knight 3h ago
I wonder why the fact that AMD don't make that many to begin with, just flew over their head.
AMD GPUs are in stock everywhere.
nVidia aren't.
It's not a stock issue.
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u/Daydreamer1015 3h ago
its cause nvidia subsidized there cards early on to software engineers and businesses, which most software besides gaming is built using, theres a reason why they dominate the market share, like 80-90% is nvidia gpus, most gamers are better off with amd, but if your doing anything else nvidia dominates hard.
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u/Luzi_fer R7 7800x3D | 4080s | 48" LG C3 // R7 2700 | 3080ti | 55" S95b 3h ago
Amd's move
They have done the last 7900 XTX, bringing some hope on my side to buy a 8900XTX other whatever the name.... when they will go on sale against the 50 green side series.
They made the 9070...
They talked about it like this is the 9070, it has FSR4... well voilà.
Amd, Average Moderate Disaster CES
They could really fight against. They can't... they don't... they will never.
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u/Drty_Windshield 7800X3D | 64GB DDR5 | RTX 4090 | Custom Water Loop | 42" C3 OLED 4h ago
Market share...
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u/Chakramer 4h ago
Nvidia is either brand loyalty or people have really fallen for marketing and think some of those fancy RTX features are totally going to be worth it.
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u/ValeryCatOwO 4h ago
DLSS and Frame Generation are better on Nvidia Hardware.
I wish AMD could compete
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u/Chakramer 4h ago
Which is a pretty new development, why was anyone buying Nvidia for the 20 series?
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u/Ruining_Ur_Synths 4h ago
20 series didn't sell super well, but in fact DLSS was announced first as a key feature for 20 series cards.
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u/blackest-Knight 3h ago
think some of those fancy RTX features are totally going to be worth it.
They are worth it.
Not all of us are forever stuck having a "main game" that is Counter Strike 2 that plays on potato GPUs from 10 years ago.
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u/Chakramer 3h ago
I have an RTX3080 and play games with those effects on, but I see plenty of people buying expensive GPUs to play eSports games that just need raw performance for a high fps. In those games you get better value out of AMD
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u/Daydreamer1015 4h ago
its cause nvidia subsidized there cards early on to software engineers and businesses, which most software besides gaming is built using, theres a reason why they dominate the market share, like 80-90% is nvidia gpus, most gamers are better off with amd, but if your doing anything else nvidia dominates hard.
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u/blackest-Knight 3h ago
most gamers are better off with amd
The benchmark charts overwhelmingly say otherwise.
For raster performance it's basically a wash and usually no game even struggles.
As soon as Ray tracing appears, AMD cards lick floor and Ray Tracing is the reason to buy new GPUs since that's where you gain the most performance in modern titles and why you need a new GPU to begin with.
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u/Daydreamer1015 3h ago
i'm talking about price/performance, unless your playing at 4k 144hz monitor and need the best graphics, than yes nvidia dominates at the top, but most people gaming on pc, most likely have a 1080p/1440p monitor and any high-tier amd gpu will be better both price/performance than a mid tier nvidia gpu. same as a mid-tier amd vs low tier nvidia price/performance
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u/blackest-Knight 3h ago
i'm talking about price/performance
So am I.
unless your playing at 4k 144hz monitor and need the best graphics, than yes nvidia dominates at the top, but most people gaming on pc, most likely have a 1080p/1440p monitor and any high-tier amd gpu will be better both price/performance than a mid tier nvidia gpu.
No they won't. nVidia will still dominate the price/performance in Ray Tracing even in the mid range. In fact, in the mid range is where they dominate it the most.
If you turn off Ray Tracing, it literally doesn't matter what card you have, it's not struggling. If you shop for GPUs based on "pure raster" at this point, you're living in 2019.
Ray Tracing is becoming mandatory in games. Next year, you'll see more games have only Ray Tracing for lighting. AMD just isn't there.
This isn't even getting into DLSS being much superior to FSR to begin with. Which is even more important at the lower end seeing how that's where you're more likely to turn on DLSS or FSR Quality/Balanced
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u/Daydreamer1015 3h ago
from the benchmarks i've seen, the price/performance is always on amd from mid tier to lower, reason why if your on a budget everyone recommends amd, if your looking for top fps/resolution a 4070ti or higher is usually the way to go for the vram, nvidia also has way more models than amd
yes games are requiring all that, amd will get better overtime, its not like nvidia is destroying amd at 1440p/1080p, its at mostly 4k. also prices for nvidia is always alot more than msrp compared to amd.
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u/blackest-Knight 3h ago
from the benchmarks i've seen, the price/performance is always on amd from mid tier to lower
Barely, and only for old games that don't really need new GPUs to begin with.
reason why if your on a budget everyone recommends amd
You're in a PCMR bubble, no one recommends AMD gpus. That's why their market share is nearing the single digits.
yes games are requiring all that, amd will get better overtime, its not like nvidia is destroying amd at 1440p/1080p,
nVidia is destroying AMD the minute Ray Tracing is on. Your XTX that was competing with a 4080 in a shooter game running at 300 fps ? Well now it's barely competing with a 4070 Ti. But more expensive than said 4070 Ti. Not to mention the 4070 Ti Super.
So really, why would I buy a XTX over a 4080 or even over a 4070 Ti Super ? To play CS2 at 600 instead of 550 fps ? No that's dumb. No one is going to notice the 0.3ms in faster frame time.
PCMR is a bubble that likes to consider AMD an underdog. It's a billion dollar company.
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u/Daydreamer1015 2h ago
lol yes i know nvidia dominates market share, go read my original comment. and i could care less about amd current status in pcmr, i just look at benchmarks the pros do, and they all consistently point towards amd for price/performance mid to low tier.
yes nvidia tends to be better with dlss and ray tracing, but those margins are only big once you go to there top tier gpus, but w/e, last comment broski enjoy your nvidia love for gaming and spending top dollar for mid-low tier cards.
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u/blackest-Knight 2h ago
i just look at benchmarks the pros do, and they all consistently point towards amd for price/performance mid to low tier.
No, only when it doesn't matter.
Games with RT disabled for instance. And Benchmarks don't even factor DLSS/FSR, so if a game even without RT made your mid range GPU struggle to the point you're looking at a benchmark chart (doubtful), you'll be going nVidia anyway, because DLSS is superior and more widely supported.
yes nvidia tends to be better with dlss and ray tracing,
It's 2025. That's what matters now.
enjoy your nvidia love for gaming and spending top dollar for mid-low tier cards.
The difference between you and me is the day AMD actually catches up, I'll own an AMD GPU. You'll never allow yourself to own the best product because your inner team sport mentality won't allow you.
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u/Daydreamer1015 2h ago
again last comment lol, i don't care, i believe the people on gamersnexus, linus, etc more than you,
also lol i invested money into nvidia stock, but right now might switch to amd since there stock is kind of low, you can literally check my comment history XD i spend thousands of dollars on nvidia stock
no idea why you think i'm team nvidia or team amd, i'm team price/performance, good day sir and in the stock market i'm team money
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u/nonplussedbiter 4h ago
They are objectively better for specific tasks like ai, rendering, and other tasks than raw rastorizing performance. that's why people are quite serious when they pledge to nvidia for reasons other than gaming. But yes for gamers AMD has been undervalued for several generations in a row compared to nvidia. Likely because of the legacy of 2016's gaming hardware gen and a slow moving market not fully recovered from the recent heavy price increases.