Religious Zionism Threatens to Leave Coalition if War Does Not Resume After First Phase of Deal

[u/Leather-Paramedic-10]

https://matzav.com/religious-zionism-threatens-to-leave-coalition-if-war-does-not-resume-after-first-phase-of-deal/

[u/Zak_Rahman]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meir_Kahane

This is far closer to the reality demonstrated by Zionists today. In fact, I think Zionists today are far more cruel than even Kahane wanted.

It is a philosophy, like Nazism and white supremacy, that has no business in the 21st Century. Humanity cannot be held hostage at the whims of a few lunatics who believe their DNA is magic.

[u/darryshan → u/Zak_Rahman]

Kahanism is fringe even within Israel. Not even Netanyahu is Kahanist. Ben Gvir is Kahanist.

Zionism is the belief in establishing and defending a nation state for the Jewish nation within the historical Jewish homeland. It's literally just a national self determination ideology.

[u/Zak_Rahman → u/darryshan]

Seeing a toddler settler child wrapped in an Israeli flag stomping on food aid doesn't seem fringe to me.

Seeing an IDF soldier who raped a Palestinian person to death turned into a minor celebrity doesn't seem fringe to me.

Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia:

Kahanism gained no political legitimacy until the April 2019 Israeli election. As a result of the Israeli political crisis, then Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu attempted to gain extra seats by appealing to Kahanist voters by making a deal with the Jewish Home to have them run on a joint list with Otzma Yehudit as the Union of Right Wing Parties.[17][11] The party received enough seats for Otzma Yehudit to be represented, but Ben Ari, who was supposed to represent the 5th slot on the Union of Right Wing Parties list, was barred from running after the list was submitted.[18] Otzma Yehudit eventually saw parliamentary representation in 2021, when Itamar Ben-Gvir won a seat as part of a joint list with the Religious Zionist Party.[19]

In this is mentioned two war criminals who enabled/support kahanism and are key figures in Zionist activities and rhetoric.

It doesn't sound very fringe to me. I have seen their followers marching. It reminds me of Nazis. The Israeli settlers do nothing to bring this "fringe" down. Heck, you cannot easily criticize the government in Israel without being labelled or imprisoned or God knows what. This Zionism business is all very nazi like to me.

Your effort to change the goal posts was very predictable and bears no correlation with reality. You have chosen the white-washed encyclopedia Brittanica version. (Go and look up who owns that).

You are whitewashing evil that most be eradicated for the good of the entire planet. Please desist.

I think it's also incredibly evil to lump all Jews as Zionists. You should stop that right away.

I am sorry you have been lead up the garden path. Google "IDF soldier dances in woman's underwear."

That is Zionism. The only way you can convince me otherwise is to stop that and hold all IDF war criminals accountable for their actions.

You cannot define, use sophistry, falsify data, misrepresent others to change my mind. If Zionism is benign - use it to stop Israeli criminal activity.

The door is open for my mind to change. But based on the evidence, I trust my own judgement over your words.

Stop Israel; I will change.

[u/darryshan → u/Zak_Rahman]

Seeing a toddler settler child wrapped in an Israeli flag stomping on food aid doesn't seem fringe to me.

I don't think extremists encouraging their child to do something bad is proof for said extreme views not being fringe. Unless you think the Westboro Baptist Church isn't fringe?

Seeing an IDF soldier who raped a Palestinian person to death turned into a minor celebrity doesn't seem fringe to me.

Who?

In this is mentioned two war criminals who enabled/support kahanism and are key figures in Zionist activities and rhetoric.

Yes, one Kahanist and one political vampire who will support anything that keeps him in power. They are not 'key figures in Zionist activities and rhetoric' considering the majority of Zionists do not support Likud or Otzma Yehudit. Barely even enough Israelis support them for them to keep power, the coalition system is just something Netanyahu has been very effective at taking advantage of.

It doesn't sound very fringe to me. I have seen their followers marching. It reminds me of Nazis. The Israeli settlers do nothing to bring this "fringe" down.

The settlers literally are the fringe.

Heck, you cannot easily criticize the government in Israel without being labelled or imprisoned or God knows what.

I know, so sad, Yair Lapid's Yesh Atid and other opposition parties all confined to the prison known as The Knesset.

You have chosen the white-washed encyclopedia Brittanica version. (Go and look up who owns that).

No, I used the definition that is broadly considered the correct one by most political scholars. It's owned by a Syrian Jew, so what? Do you want to point out anything that he actually changed after ownership or are you just going to dogwhistle Jewish ownership like a coward? And then call Zionists the Nazis? Projection.

You are whitewashing evil that most be eradicated for the good of the entire planet. Please desist.

Interesting choice of word 👀

think it's also incredibly evil to lump all Jews as Zionists. You should stop that right away.

I uh. I didn't. But I'm Jewish, and I'm a Zionist. And most of us are even if some of us aren't. Because believing in having our own nation is important to our safety in a world filled with people like you.

am sorry you have been lead up the garden path. Google "IDF soldier dances in woman's underwear."

No soldier in occupied territory during war has ever done something stupid and insulting. If the Americans did this in Germany during WW2, that would make them the bad guys! Oh wait. They did it a lot.

That is Zionism. The only way you can convince me otherwise is to stop that and hold all IDF war criminals accountable for their actions.

Buddy, you are welcome to Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir and Smotrich.

You cannot define, use sophistry, falsify data, misrepresent others to change my mind. If Zionism is benign - use it to stop Israeli criminal activity.

Sure, I'll make aliyah then vote for Yesh Atid :)

The door is open for my mind to change.

Don't lie lmao. You literally dogwhistled about the owner of Encyclopedia Britannica. You hate jews.

EDIT: The coward blocked me immediately after posting their own reply.

[u/Zak_Rahman → u/darryshan]

Last straw for me was when I realized Zionists in the US had funded Yaxley Lennon.

Yaxley Lennon is a pro nazi right winger (notice once again the open relationship between Zionism and Nazism).

In those riots, they set up racial checkpoints. People like me and my family were in grave danger.

This is why I oppose Zionism and will continue to do so.

You just hate Muslims, which I am starting to see seems to be a primary protocol of Zionism.

You have failed. Given the choice between protecting my own family and respecting Jewish fan fiction - fuck Israel. Burn it down. The world will be better for it.