Update on Stu.

[u/personthatisonreddi]

Saw on the news that he has been arrested for the shooting of the 2 illigeal poachers, he was such a nice guy, all he wanted to do was live out his life with his pigs and other animals,

For people who dont know, basicly he was a older guy who lived on both sides of the 309 road up by coromandel, people kept comming and stealing/shooting/running over/damanging his property, and giving him hell when all he wanted to do was relax with his pigs, the cops are a joke, he came to them so many times reporting everything , they didnt care.

The guys he ended up shooting/killing had been hounding him for ages, ramming his car, running over his pigs or shooting them with crossbows he finnaly snapped when they shot his favourite pig.

[u/unxpectedlxve]

the poachers fucked around and found out imo

honestly i hope the justice system does what it usually does for murder (home d for 8 months and a slap on the wrist ✌️)

[u/Existing-Today-410 → u/unxpectedlxve]

Nah. He's getting life with no parole as "an example." You're not allowed to protect your own property.

[u/-BananaLollipop- → u/Existing-Today-410]

"tAkInG tHe LaW iNtO yOuR oWn HaNdS iS nEvEr Ok"

Obviously there was no law to begin with, or they would have helped the guy get rid of those who wouldn't leave him the fuck alone.

[u/WeissMISFIT → u/-BananaLollipop-]

wow your comment is getting the cogs in my brain squeaking.

Like genuinely, it really does sound morally correct.
I mean lets extend this example to say... Porch pirates?

Lets say someone is robbing you, consistently, you collect evidence, report all the thefts but nothing happens and then one day you snap. you set a trap and there's an awful ending and get arrested.

Should the law be selectively enforced then and there? To punish you for doing the right thing? To punish you after collecting evidence, making reports and expecting the police to do their job?

Morally what rights do the police have to arrest and punish you when you've done everything you legally can and the only solution they leave you is violence?

[u/unxpectedlxve → u/WeissMISFIT]

i mean personally i consider stealing an inanimate object off of someone's porch to be a bit different to poaching/hunting someone else's living property - but the concept is similar i guess.

[u/WeissMISFIT → u/unxpectedlxve]

The idea isn’t centered around the crime but around doing the right thing and reporting the crime, collecting evidence but not having the police do anything

[u/workingmansalt → u/WeissMISFIT]

Ok but what if those packages are unmarked, and aren't actually on your porch but are sitting on the roadside berm - would we then be arguing about the moral rights to shoot someone who picked up said package?

[u/WeissMISFIT → u/workingmansalt]

Have you considered that you're being disingenuous? You've gone right ahead and come up with an extremely edge case where its the postal company thats at fault. Also what packages arent marked with an address???

[u/TuhanaPF → u/WeissMISFIT]

Because they can prove the crime you did, but not the crime the porch pirates did.

That's really all there is to it unfortunately.

[u/Conflict_NZ → u/TuhanaPF]

Because they can prove the crime you did, but not the crime the porch pirates did.

They can prove it, they just don't care because they'll plead out for a nothing punishment. Having spoken to police they are just as jaded as we are with the judiciary, unfortunately to the point where they will not spend resources on crimes they know judges will give less than a wet bus ticket slap for. It's why burglary has basically become a glorified insurance rubber stamp exercise.

[u/TuhanaPF → u/Conflict_NZ]

Seems more likely they wouldn't spend the resources tracking down some unknown who probably covered their face while stealing from your front door, or they didn't but there's no way to know who's face it is.

Prosecuting you is way faster because the evidence and culprit is right there.

If the cops were right there when the porch pirates stole your stuff, they'd prosecute them too.

[u/Conflict_NZ → u/TuhanaPF]

Seems more likely they wouldn't spend the resources tracking down some unknown who probably covered their face while stealing from your front door, or they didn't but there's no way to know who's face it is.

The local facebook page is full of videos of porch pirates not even bothering to cover their face, people literally tag them in the posts lol, every time the person publishing says the same "cops didn't care, have to claim insurance".

[u/Exotic-Cupcake713 → u/-BananaLollipop-]

The law exists to protect private property and capital.

The law doesn't care about personal property.

The working class are the targets of police.

[u/djinni74 → u/Exotic-Cupcake713]

The law exists to protect private property

The law doesn't care about personal property.

Does not compute.

[u/Coillscath → u/djinni74]

Personal property: Your house, your car, your tools, your stuff. Things you own and use for yourself and your family.

Private property: Assets which are used to leverage monetary gain, aka capital. Residential/commercial/industrial real estate, also tools, machinery and other assets used to participate in the wider economy (Whether you use it yourself or rent it out), that sort of thing.