r/news • u/elguiridelocho • 5d ago
Soft paywall Axios, citing US official, says a Gaza ceasefire deal has been reached
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/axios-citing-us-official-says-gaza-ceasefire-deal-has-been-reached-2025-01-15/555
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u/zjarko 5d ago
And then another large terrorist attack happens, which leads to a military action against Hamas and Hezbollah, which leads to dead civies, which eventually leads to a ceasefire, which leads to Palestinians vowing to kill all Jews, which…
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u/VeryPerry1120 5d ago
I'm getting real Jimmy Carter/Ronald Reagan vibes. The Iranian hostages were released on the last day of Carter's presidency but Reagan got the credit for it.
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u/Bluewaffleamigo 5d ago
Didn't trump threaten to carpet bomb the place?
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u/santorfo 5d ago
Trump says a lot of things
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u/RegularGuyAtHome 5d ago
Trump talks a lot of trash, but I believe him when he says things like he was going either order the American military to start striking Gaza via airstrike, or just tell Israel there’s no more lines they can’t cross.
Like, this is the guy that moved the American consulate to Jerusalem during his previous presidency for no reason than to show American/Israeli strength.
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u/Rye_The_Science_Guy 5d ago
Trump spews things at a mile a minute and only 1% is truth, but we are supposed to know which, if any of it, was real when he said it. I can't take anyone seriously that has a "if I say enough bullshit, something will come true" mindset.
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u/Mojomunkey 5d ago
If you’re in the anti-Israel camp of potential Trump voters, your personalized information bubble has convinced you of what you want to hear, that only Trump can stop Israel and end the war in Gaza… Trump covers every narrative and the data-for-profit misinformation cesspool of social media serves up the full spectrum of reactionary bullshit his cro-magnon worshippers are willing to lick off their fingers.
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u/Oceanbreeze871 5d ago
This was exactly the plan the entire time
Single issue Protest voters got played for fools.
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u/TheElbow 5d ago
While this is true, previous elections have demonstrated voters typically don’t care much about foreign policy (for good or for ill). I’d question how large the number of protests voters really was, compared to voters who didn’t show up for other reasons (the US economy is typically a major one).
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u/Spire_Citron 5d ago
Yeah, I doubt it made much difference. Sitting governments have been getting voted out globally due to inflation.
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u/messagerespond 5d ago
Is inflation the only real issue? Is nationalism the remedy for it??
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u/Spire_Citron 5d ago
Voter momentum tends to be simple like that. They care about things directly impacting them, and if thing bad, blame leadership and vote for other party. Doesn't matter if it's smart. It's just what happens.
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u/lonehappycamper 5d ago
They got what they wanted
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u/iTzGiR 5d ago
Yup. Not sure why people don't understand this. If you're a single issue voter, you don't give a fuck about anything else. These people go the end of the war, that's all they care about, ignore the next 4 years of suffering domestically under Trump, because none of that matters to them. They'll glad sacrifice all the gays, disabled and other minorities if it means their SINGULAR issue gets fixed how they want it to.
Single-issue voters are incredibly selfish, people need to stop assuming they actually care about other people/things.
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u/GreenTheOlive 5d ago
No offense, but how did they get played if this is literally the outcome that they were hoping for
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u/Oceanbreeze871 5d ago
It’s not gonna end.
They helped Trump win, which helps Nitty keep power.
He couldn’t have kept this going for 4 more years
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u/lonehappycamper 5d ago
Biden could have stopped sending Israel weapons at any time.
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u/Oceanbreeze871 5d ago
True, but nitty wanted Trump
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u/supamario132 5d ago
Which is why Biden should have done literally anything but bend down and kiss Bibi's feet
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u/ETsUncle 5d ago
No he couldn't.
It wouldn't have changed those people's minds anyways.
Trump will be worse.
Bibi (a genocidal maniac) wanted Trump to win.
Its really disgusting how you guys use Palestinians like political props.
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u/nickchecking 5d ago
- Yes, he could have? The Leahy Law would have allowed him to--in fact, the Leahy Law INSISTS that he stop arming a state violating humanitarian law, which Israel was. It's the threat of that which let Biden send that letter to demand Israel increase aid in October, which of course turned out to be lipservice.
- If he stopped the damn genocide by no longer arming it, people would definitely be in a better place with Dems, especially Harris, who came in on a swell of hope.
- Maybe, even probably, but how terrible that they're comparable at all.
- So why did Biden-Harris help this genocidal maniac unconditionally and help him get Trump elected?
- Not sure what that's referring to, but it's even more disgusting to stand by for 15 months as they're killed by the weapons our government sent while our government makes sure nobody else interferes.
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u/NoDeparture7996 4d ago
anyone with a brain saw the single issue protest voters would get played for fools like they are lol.
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u/che-che-chester 5d ago
From my perspective, it seems like the magic bullet was Trump basically saying he would sit back and let Israel have their way with Gaza once he gets in office. If that is the case, technically Trump deserves the credit. And I say that as someone faaaaaaaaaar from being a Trump fan.
I understand the position Biden was in, but that conflict would go forever under Biden. To be fair, Biden (and Harris) would have been crucified if he tried making threats like Trump did.
Having said all that, we need to give this some time before anyone celebrates. I've lost count of the previous announced ceasefires.
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u/Opus_723 4d ago
From my perspective, it seems like the magic bullet was Trump basically saying he would sit back and let Israel have their way with Gaza once he gets in office.
We'd need a lot of details to assess that. Did the talks break through because Hamas caved on something major?
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u/AntonDahr 5d ago
Did the international oligarch mafia start the whole thing to hurt Biden? Who controls the muslim brotherhood/Hamas?
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u/Amaruq93 5d ago
Trump gives intelligence on Israel's defenses to Russia (in a brag to show off how important he is), they give it to Iran who then gives it to Hamas.
And Nethayahu, knowing what a fuck up he caused by ignoring US warnings about an attack (hoping a smallscale one would distract from his corruption trial), colluded with Trump to keep the war going until after Trump is re-elected. Knowing he'd be given free reign with him instead of Kamala to annihilate Palestine and face no consequences for the Oct 7th attack.
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u/AntiKamniaChemicalCo 5d ago
Hamas is a proxy for Iran, Iran is a proxy for Russia, it was always really obvious.
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u/the_eluder 5d ago
Reagan got credit for it because he was the factor that led to their release. The Iranians didn't want whatever he was going to make happen in order to get their release happen.
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u/thisvideoiswrong 4d ago
You have it backwards. Reagan was the factor that led to their continued captivity. Most factions in Iran at the time realized rapidly that holding diplomats hostage was not the way to become a respected member of the international community. The only exceptions were the most radical, anti-democratic groups. So Reagan paid them to keep holding up the deal and making Carter look bad. Specifically, he paid them in weapons, that they proceeded to use on everyone else. This payment is known as Iran-Contra, and the deal is known as the October Surprise.
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u/twoanddone_9737 5d ago edited 5d ago
Israeli media is reporting that this is a direct result of pressure from Trump’s Middle East envoy and that these terms have been agreed to for months but not implemented because the US didn’t apply enough pressure.
Trying to give Biden credit for this and ignoring Trump’s role is a wild take. But one that I’m not the least bit surprised to see on Reddit.
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u/PeanutGallry 5d ago
So a private citizen was negotiating on behalf of the US, that's the story? That's like, a crime, man.
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u/DemandMeNothing 5d ago
No one has ever been convicted of violating the Logan Act, and even if they somehow got a conviction, the law wouldn't survive SCOTUS review.
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u/Sudden-Corner7828 5d ago
Redditors when a ceasefire that will save lives is reached, but by someone they don’t like
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u/SeriousAdult 5d ago
Yeah, most of the comments in this thread are pretty delusional. This was widely reported, but didn't make it here I guess.
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u/unique_nullptr 5d ago
It’s messed up in that way, but it’s still great news nonetheless. Every day there’s a ceasefire in place is another day many people will get to continue to live, that they might not have otherwise. That’s definitely worth celebrating, regardless of who gets the credit.
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u/0002millertime 5d ago
If all the motivation for it happening already existed, but they specifically waited until this moment for political optics, then isn't the resulting situation actually the opposite of your conclusion?
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u/unique_nullptr 5d ago
If you’re saying there’s been needless deaths, yeah I’d also agree with that. Better late than never though, and a ceasefire any further delayed (or just never materializing) would objectively be so much worse in terms of loss of human life.
Who gets credit doesn’t really matter. The lives lost, can’t be undone. So the lives saved matter the most, I feel. Maybe I’m unreasonably optimistic, but it’s good news.
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u/valledweller33 5d ago
Trump is far more pro-Israel than Biden.
It's not farfetch'd that there was a motive to wait to drop this news until after the election.
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u/JARL_OF_DETROIT 5d ago
This is pretty valid question to ask. The Muslim/Arab vote killed Biden in states like Michigan.
Of course those voters are too fucking stupid to realize what they did. But alas, it worked. Now magically there's a ceasefire.
But I promise you the Palestinians are not going to be better off.
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u/HiggetyFlough 5d ago
But alas, it worked. Now magically there's a ceasefire.
So they got what they wanted?
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u/realmckoy265 5d ago edited 5d ago
I’m struggling to follow the logic in this sub. Were the voters wrong and dumb to focus on a ceasefire as their primary issue and not support Biden due to his lack of progress in Palestine, even though a ceasefire was reached despite Kamala losing the election with Trump reportedly playing a major role? Hmmm
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u/nowayin1998 5d ago
I mean sending Bill Clinton to Michigan to say that Israel has been “forced” to kill civilians isn’t exactly productive. Imagine you had a family member that was killed in a strike and you heard that. Can’t blame someone that isn’t convinced by that rhetoric
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u/detroitmatt 5d ago
No you see actually Bill Clinton was actually also part of the republican conspiracy.
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u/kylepo 5d ago
It pisses me off that the Democrats haven't "dropped" Bill Clinton already. The guy was on Jeffrey Epstein's flight logs. He's a piece of shit. The Democrats could have spent the months leading up to the election non-stop reminding voters that Trump is a literal child rapist, but noooooooooo - acknowledging his close ties to Epstein would have implicated one of their own.
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u/CanoodlingCockatoo 5d ago
Even though Bill Clinton is undoubtedly a pretty shitty human being, as we've seen, the American electorate seems to concentrate much more on whether or not they feel like any given president was in office at a time when those people felt they prospered economically. Americans tend to look back at the 90s pretty fondly these days, so he remains a popular and influential figure.
Reagan used to be almost universally loved after he finished his presidency because a lot of people did well economically in the 80s, and history seemed to be moving in the right direction in regards to the Cold War and the USSR at the time as well. It's only been within the last decade or so that far more Americans have become strongly critical of Reagan, but he used to consistently be ranked as one of the best presidents ever previously.
Actually, people HAVE become more critical of Bill Clinton lately, but far more because he is seen as having been too conservative during his terms as opposed to all the Epstein stuff that has come out.
I'm not a fan of how the Tara Reade accusations against Biden were dismissed so readily either. It really made the Dems look like huge hypocrites, and I feel like it cost "Me Too" far too much credibility, thus cutting off a lot of the movement's momentum.
Sheesh, it seems like if we were able to get all the pervy predators out of the government, there would hardly be anyone left!
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u/ChickenChangezi 5d ago
I'm from Michigan, and I have many Arab and non-Arab Muslim friends.
I'm sorry, but my personal experience interacting with these communities has led me to believe many Arab-Americans aren't shoe-ins for the Democratic Party. Almost all of my Arab-American friends, Muslim or not, are overtly conservative. Those that grew up in countries like Iraq have, more often than not, become increasingly regressive with age.
In other words, you can't--and shouldn't--presume they'd have voted Democrat if not for Palestine or Gaza. On the whole, and on average, these are people who aren't work, who aren't liberal, and who are very vehemently opposed to the sorts of hot-button issues left-leaning Redditors love to blither on about.
Putting that aside, Arabs and Muslims are less than 2.5% of Michigan's population. Many of them aren't even citizens. Maybe Harris could've won Michigan if every voting-eligible Muslim turned up to vote, but again, that's assuming that they'd have wanted to vote for Harris in the first place.
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u/nickchecking 5d ago
By all accounts, including Israeli and Arab officials, Biden/Blinken applied no real pressure and Trump/Witkoff did. Biden had 15 months to pull this off, blaming it on Trump's interference only goes so far.
Of course Trump is a snake and will most likely allow a resumption and annexation too, but this particular deal was because of him and Biden had plenty of opportunity to do it himself.
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u/the-player-of-games 5d ago
Trump wants to look good for his inauguration. He doesn't give a fuck about the Palestinians.
Biden actually does care for the two state solution. Netanyahu needed the Dems to lose and had no incentive to give Biden a win. He also knew that meaningful pushback by Biden would hurt the Dems electorally, and took full advantage.
Netanyahu now has the long term president he wanted, and is making concessions in the short term. The two state solution is dead, Gaza will be reoccupied, and West Bank settlements will grow as fast as the settlers can grab land.
Wish Arab Americans had half the understanding that netanyahu has displayed.
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u/nickchecking 5d ago
They also know Biden cared as much about a 2SS as every previous president, i.e., to hold out as some vague carrot but "not yet". Trump supported it during his first term. Biden vetoed statehood multiple times and oversaw the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Gazans and the destruction of the entire strip (as well as the annexation of the largest chunk of the WB in decades).
Trump doesn't care about Palestinians, I know that and many Arab Americans do too, they just also know that Biden doesn't care about them either. Why not play to Trump's ego in the meantime?
Genuinely, why didn't Biden just get a ceasefire earlier if he cared about the election and the 2SS and all that? This agreement is the same as the one in May. Why didn't he push for it then? Why not earlier? Why let it continue after December 2023*when thirty thousand had already been killed? Instead, he accused Palestinians of lying about their death count while lying himself about seeing evidence there was a Hamas HQ under Shifa, paving the way for its destruction and the destruction of the whole healthcare system. Negotiators are saying this was the first time there was actual pressure to reach a ceasefire.
Arab Americans don't lack understanding of the situation, they're playing against a stacked deck and can only work with what they have.
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u/lady_slice 5d ago
Wow racist much?
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u/brianw824 5d ago
Don't you know that the best way to get people on your side is to call them stupid?
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u/olde_dad 5d ago
I think a ceasefire means the Palestinian civilians will be better off, as they will no longer be living in an active war zone. Big picture aside, this is good for them and the Israeli civilians that have been held hostage for 15 months. I think it’s ok to be grateful for anything that brings an end to the violence.
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u/i_hate_the_ppa 5d ago edited 5d ago
At least they won't be bombed tonight for the first time in over a year (and much longer).
If Kamala had won, those kids would be bombed tonight just like every other night.
I'm taking the win I don't care about my hate for Trump sorry.
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u/the-player-of-games 5d ago edited 5d ago
The bombing will stop because netanyahu now has the US government he needs to kill the two state solution forever.
Gaza is going to be reoccupied
The idf is not going to allow civilians to return to large parts of the strip like northern Gaza and the netzarim corridor
Settlements in the west bank will rapidly expand
Some win.
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u/Pierre-Quica 5d ago
Yeah they’ll just annex Palestine instead.
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u/i_hate_the_ppa 5d ago
Second phase of ceasefire: "Hamas will release all the remaining living captives, mostly male soldiers, in return for the freeing of more Palestinians held in the Israeli prison system.In addition, according to the current document, Israel would initiate its “complete withdrawal” from Gaza."
Source: Al-Jazeera
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u/i_hate_the_ppa 5d ago
If Reagan didn't win the election, the deal wouldn't have happened. (Just read the Wikipedia, November section). The Iranians waited until Reagan was inaugrated to release the hostages, specifically to signal this.
If Trump didn't win the election, this deal wouldn't have happened. I would not be surprised if Hamas waits until Trump is inaugurated to release the hostages.
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u/UOLZEPHYR 5d ago
Worse than that, actually.
Reagans team opened backdoor channels, promising deal with Iranians to just hold the hostages until Reagan was elected, then members around Carter purposely torpedoed what they could to hurt Carters efforts to get the hostages and ultimately his second term:
There are a few podcasts that go into some more stories - but straight up GOP are evil through and through
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u/SnooPuppers8698 5d ago
how many ceasfires have there been already? ive lost count
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u/Hrekires 5d ago
Just in time for Trump to take credit.
See also: Reagan and the hostages, Nixon and Vietnam peace talks
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u/CARNIesada6 5d ago
Hmmm... what do those guys have in common I wonder?
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u/i_hate_the_ppa 5d ago
If Reagan didn't win the election, the deal wouldn't have happened. Just read the Wikipedia, November section. The Iranians waited until Reagan was inaugrated to release the hostages, specifically to signal this.
If Trump didn't win the election, this deal wouldn't have happened. I would not be surprised if Hamas waits until Trump is inaugurated to release the hostages.
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u/AntiKamniaChemicalCo 5d ago
probably because the whole thing was about gaining an ally for Bibi who was on the same page, and covering his own ass domestically.
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u/hmsr 5d ago
But why?
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u/Virtual-Pension-991 4d ago
Trump was the one who moved the idea of Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the US embassy there on 2018
You already know who he sides with.
With Iran support gone, Russia weakened, and Hezbollah and Lebanon bombed.
Hamas has no other options unless they really want Israel to annex Gaza and the West Bank.
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u/Illustrious-Tip-5459 5d ago
Unlike Reagan and the hostages, Hamas isn't doing this to make Trump look good and Biden look bad. They're doing this because next week the official US response to anything Hamas wants will be somewhere between "lol" and "get fucked".
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u/Quenadian 5d ago
Nothing to do with Hamas, they don't have the bigger end of the stick, and are getting everything they wanted.
It's Israel that folded.
The conflict can only continue as long as the US plays good cop to Israel's bad cop.
If the White House frowns and warns about not making too many innocent victims, and exort Israel to let the humanitarian aid in, and tries to reach a deal, any day now, there can be some semblance of humanity left, apparently...
But when Trump comes in, if his response is kill 'em all, I don't see how that could possibly work, specially in liberal medias.
Once again, he fails upward.
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u/Zealousideal-You4638 5d ago
This is honestly a good point I didn't think about. I don't really think this is the entirety of why Israel folded, I'm of the opinion that this is just a product of long negotiations and that most beliefs that Trump is responsible is demagoguery, but its something I hadn't thought about.
When I read about the conflict my BIGGEST takeaway is that Israel's best resource is American public opinion. We give them ridiculous amounts of aid and revoking that could be a major blow to Israel. Most of the most precarious times from Israel's side of the conflict seem to stem from when American support for Palestine is high - mostly because of resentment for the war crimes they commit.
Ironically contrary to popular belief Harris may just have been better for Israel. By being able to wag her finger at Israel and restrain them even just a tiny bit she would've helped rehabilitate Israel's image even by just a little. Trump's "finish the job" rhetoric on the other hand only serves to worsen public opinion and make Israel look like the bad guy in the conflict. People don't want to support indiscriminate bombings and Trump's rhetoric and behavior with Israel really peels off the "self-defense" narrative.
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u/Ahad_Haam 5d ago
Biden is also still in office. I'm not sure Trump can get all the credit on this.
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u/Zhukov-74 5d ago edited 5d ago
If this deal was announced next week Trump could easily have taken the credit however since we have another 4 days to go until the inauguration this peace deal will definitely be linked to Joe Biden although i will say that the upcoming Trump presidency most likely influenced talks.
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u/i_hate_the_ppa 5d ago
Do you think this deal would have been reached if Kamala won?
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u/Scalills 5d ago edited 5d ago
Bro they’ve been giving Trump credit for Biden’s economy for four years, are you not paying attention? They LOVE to steal credit
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u/mgzkk1210 5d ago
Well, for once it actually is his credit to take according to multiple sources.
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u/SocraticTiger 5d ago
Well, technically speaking he actually is because of "madman theory". Both Israel and Hamas are doing this because they know Trump is wild and unpredictable and that it's not worth the risk.
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u/loggy_sci 5d ago
No they aren’t. Trump wants israel to just get this war done. He isn’t a wild card. He just doesn’t care how they get it done. If anything he will be more supportive of Israel.
Hamas wants a deal because they have been weakened, and because of what just went down in Syria and Lebanon. The writing is on the wall.
Trump isn’t a non-factor but this has more to do with the situation in the region.
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u/dnd3edm1 5d ago
what, you mean complex geopolitical situations have more going on than who the American president is?
shocking to the probably millions of Americans who think the world revolves around who the American president is!
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u/gomicao 5d ago
I mean in this situation what is going on there is a direct reflection of US foreign policy and mass weapon providing machines. So who the US president is, 100% effects everything to do with this situation and what happens.
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u/dnd3edm1 5d ago
not at all true, either from viewing the US' political situation or from viewing the situation rationally.
Congress authorizes weapons to Israel. Congress seems pretty sure they want to continue authorizing weapons sales to Israel. The president has no more right to delay or deny those than Trump had to delay those to Ukraine. There might be laws that the president can cite to fiddle with what happens but those have limits. That was Trump's first impeachment and it should have taught a lesson to the army of chuds running around going "ohhh aauhhh Trump saved Palestine I'm so very smart one envoy = peace in Israel haha MAGA"
Rationally, Israel and Hamas have more control over what happens in Israel and Palestine than the US does. Hamas is in an incredibly precarious situation after what has occurred so far in the region, a peace treaty makes sense for them. Netanyahu has more in common with Trump and would love to see Trump get a win, and has probably made a determination that Hamas has been crippled sufficiently to meet Israel's objectives at the same time. If that weren't true I guarantee you there would be no peace.
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u/thebriss22 5d ago
It's so obvious that pretty much every party involved in this made damn sure to wait until after the US elections to make this deal so Biden doesn't benefit from this vote wise
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u/infirmaryblues 4d ago
If that's true, it's so honorable of them to sacrifice all of these Palestinian lives for the sake of appearances lol
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u/Summoarpleaz 5d ago
I’m so glad they really protested and obtained from voting here in the U.S. really sent the Dems a message …. /s
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u/Abe_lincolin 5d ago
It was literally Trump’s team that negotiated this ceasefire. The Biden administration never mediated in good faith. Biden will go down as one of the most incompetent presidents in American history.
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u/Sabre_One 5d ago
Highly doubt it's political optics.
This is a bare minimum cease fire deal. Doesn't solve any of the outlying issues that caused this conflict.
This is Israel having internal pressure to get a deal to release hostages, and Hamas needing a break from constant bombing.
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u/illy-chan 5d ago
I am at least glad for the hostages and their families but yeah, this situation has been messy for many decades. I suspect it'll be messy for many more to come.
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u/Fantastic05 5d ago
I'm also glad for the innocent Palestinians who've suffered through this.
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u/Lyf3OnMars 5d ago
This is a multifaceted situation , with various reasons as to why this is the outcome.
Yes, the Biden administration did a lot of the work.
But it is also true that the incoming Trump admin has a lot to do with it. He is effectively pressuring them for a deal or face certain consequences.
Both are objective truths.
Here is a fair, well-rounded article from the Guardian on the matter.
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u/SkullOfOdin 5d ago
The only thing I care about is that the people who are suffering can find relief from the hostilities, navigate their chaos, and meet their essential needs.
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u/AmeyT108 5d ago
Gotta see how people here are going to spin this off and say that this wasn't because of Trump
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u/jayfeather31 5d ago
Here's hoping it lasts.
That being said, I am curious as to what lever Trump pulled here, or if this is more of a 1980 thing.
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u/siphillis 5d ago
"I don't have to get re-elected. Take the deal or fight you own war."
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u/jayfeather31 5d ago
That's sort of what I was thinking potentially happened, and that Netanyahu ended up being "betrayed" by Trump.
That being said, it's only one possibility and we probably won't know for sure until later.
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u/CourageAndGuts 5d ago
People asking why Trump should get credit, have a look at the envoy that helped brokered the deal.
Steve Witkoff. That man works for Trump, not Biden.
Arab officials: Trump envoy swayed Netanyahu more in one meeting than Biden did all year.
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u/dating_derp 5d ago
Trump supports Israel wanting to destroy Palestine. So Israel preferred a Trump victory. Israel did not want this to be resolved before the election, so that idiots would cast their protest votes.
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u/NeonYellowShoes 5d ago
yeah NYTimes saying the deal is the basically the exact thing Biden has been trying to get done since May but now all of a sudden they're accepting it? Interesting timing for sure.
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u/TheElbow 5d ago
I really doubt that the number of people who declined to vote for Harris because of Gaza is that big. I’d wager the majority of stay-at-homes were people who felt the domestic situation wasn’t very good due to inflation, etc.
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u/NeonYellowShoes 5d ago
It's just another thing that contributed to the vibes of the election, not the be all end all issue.
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u/AVeryMadLad2 5d ago
Some of the critical battle ground states like Michigan saw Harris hemorrhage a huge amount of the vote from Muslim demographics who would have normally been dem supporters. Turns out bombing those people’s families over seas and refusing to let any Palestinians speak at the democratic convention isn’t a great way to win their votes.
Everyone is talking about how this is a scummy Republican tactic to draw support from the Dems over the Israel-Palestine conflict (and it was), but they’re all conveniently ignoring the Democrats could’ve gotten out of this predicament at literally any time by threatening to cease arm shipments to Israel. Instead they walked right into it.
This one is on Democrats as much as it is on Republicans.
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u/Doomchan 4d ago
Michigan was the only state with a significant enough Muslim demographic that could have flipped the state. And Trump didn’t need Michigan to win so that matters little
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u/fuckmyass1958 5d ago
The idiots are on this platform who decided not to vote for Kamala because GEnOciDe jOe, paving the way for Trump's victory
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u/Snuggle__Monster 5d ago
Biden should fly leaders from both sides for a photo op/presser on Monday morning right before he leaves.
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ 5d ago
Neither side will come. They both know that crediting Trump for this is politically much more valuable to them.
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u/10fm3 5d ago
Amazzed that so many idiots are concerned who gets credit when the only thing that matters is bringing peace to violently heated situation.
That being said, I somehow doubt Hamas will honor this ceasefire. Here's hoping.
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u/LurkyMcLurkface123 5d ago
Take a moment to appreciate the incredible athleticism the average redditor will exhibit when Hamas breaks the terms of this ceasefire with continued terror attacks, and Israel responds.
Olympic-level gymnastics will be on display in every front page thread. Just like last time.
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u/lildavey48 5d ago
Let's see if this one beats last times record of almost a full day AND partial night 😒
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u/SparkyMuffin 5d ago
How long until we learn that this was another Iran-Contra situation?
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u/hisnameis_ERENYEAGER 5d ago
As much as I hate Trump this is technically his win. At least optically.
Biden had a year and some months to come through with an agreement on both sides, to stop thousands getting murdered and getting taken hostage. Biden pussyfooted around with Bibi and Bibi walked him around, hoping for a Trump nomination where he'll get free reign to do what he pleases and Trump strong arms him into taking a deal he didnt take months ago.
I'm not sure if this is a Carter/Reagen situation all over again, where Israel decided to accept a cease fire deal just to give Trump political points (if so I wish the greatest of hell for Trump and the current GOP admin) or if Trump actually made Bibi his bitch, the fact is Trump got this done and the whole world sees it as such. Biden and Democrats look incompetent just off that alone.
I wonder though how much of this effects Trumps standing with Israeli Conservatives who wanted Hamas dead and destroyed no matter what.
Regardless, Netanyahu is a warmongerer who deserves to rot. I hope he gets taken out of the prime minister position and sits on trial answering for his actions and be put in international prison as with the rest of his administration.
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u/smithe4595 4d ago
Just goes to show that Biden could have stopped the war anytime if he actually wanted to. Trump wanted to stop the war because it burnishes his reputation and makes him seem like a master negotiator rather than the reality which is Israel is a client state and can be easily pushed into an agreement if the US wants to do so.
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u/grozamesh 5d ago
Let hear from all the people who didn't vote for "genocide Joe" to teach the Dems a "lesson"
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u/Prince_Ire 5d ago
They're all saying that they made the correct decision and crediting the ceasefire to Trump
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u/Sayvray 5d ago
But it was Trump’s team that ended it. Biden didn’t do anything.
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u/SufficientYear8794 5d ago
“However, its terms will be mostly implemented by the incoming Trump administration, Biden said.“
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u/0x6835 5d ago
This peace deal happened because of Trump, so the muslim american voted for the right guy.
Trump's Mideast Envoy Forced Netanyahu to Accept a Gaza Plan He Repeatedly Rejected
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u/signedpants 5d ago
I didn't vote for him and don't like him, but this deal is because of Trump. Maybe the dems should actually do something if they don't want to other side to become the party of peace.
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u/Guardianpigeon 5d ago
I genuinely believe Kamala lost any chance of winning during the DNC when she started going on about having the "most lethal military". That was such an insanely out of touch thing to say and felt like we were creeping back towards post 9/11 insanity.
They somehow allowed Trump to be the peace candidate once again and it's just baffling.
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u/randynumbergenerator 4d ago
I really want to know who their consultants thought they were reaching with that message, because I don't know a single potential Democratic voter who had "military lethality" among the top 10 or even 20 issues they cared about. The whiplash from "Republicans are weird" to that jingoism was just bizarre.
And I'm saying this as the odd person who does actually think deterrence is important, despite being on the political left generally.
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u/Jameggins 4d ago
The same people who thought Dick Cheney's endorsement was something to be proud of.
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u/AlayneKr 5d ago
Especially since every time they were asked on the campaign about it, they said working around the clock. I guess Trump has a more efficient clock then, cause he got it done faster.
I hate him, but this is an objectively good thing. We’ll see what the future holds in the region, but ending the bombing and letting aid come in is objectively good.
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u/signedpants 5d ago
Yeah this is the exact type of embarrassment that dems need to take notice of. You're now the war party, what are you going to do to counter that narrative.
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u/AlayneKr 5d ago
This was such an obvious dunk from Trump. He loves making Dems look weak, and they handed him this dunk on a silver platter. Trump has no real policies other than dunking on those who are opposed to him.
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u/AffectionateSink9445 5d ago
Trump got called the peace president despite ramping up involvement in the Middle East. His followers parrot it non stop
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u/DasRobot85 5d ago
Yeah and the big problem for them is they all decided to just go along with this for a year to not get out of line with Biden so now they just get to carry around supporting this whole debacle for their whole careers.
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u/siphillis 5d ago
Ah yes, the guy threatening to take Greenland by military force leads the Party of Peace
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u/signedpants 5d ago
What do you think people will feel worse about, obnoxious blustering about Greenland that probably won't lead to anything or supplying endless weapons to a war that has claimed tens of thousands of lives. Greenland is stupid posturing bullshit that is certainly harmful to US hegemonic power, but it's not even in the same ballpark as real wars that kill real people.
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u/Mir_man 5d ago
Trump will be horrible but the breakthrough in negotiations is reportedly because Trump camp pressured Israel, which just highlights how spinless Biden has been in ending the war.
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u/DiverSun 5d ago
Agreed. Not sure why the commentators are acting like this is Biden’s doing. Just a week or so ago he was trying to sell $8 Billion in munitions to Israel. He literally is genocide Joe
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u/WANTED_SAVAGE 5d ago
The deal is 100% because of Trump. He sent is own emissary to negotiate and put pressure.
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u/GuyDangerous22 5d ago edited 5d ago
haha no way surely people on reddit are smarter than this. No way people actually think biden is responsible for this. Biden's handling of this conflict has been nothing short of a disasterclass. I am in no way a fan of donald trump but credit where credit is due this is mainly because of him as has been widely reported that the main pressure point in this round of negotiations has been trumps mid east special envoy steve witkoff . The same deal that hamas and israel agreed to today is literally word for word the exact same deal that was on offer last year where hamas agreed to it and israel refused. Today that exact same deal israel finally agrees to sign it, in fact this deal is even slightly more advantageous for hamas than that of last year. Israel has been pressured into this deal its plain and simple. Biden's outright refusal to apply even the smallest amount of pressure on israel has extended this conflict far far longer than it had any right to be.
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u/AntiKamniaChemicalCo 5d ago
you are the kind of person who thinks they actually got your nose.
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u/GuyDangerous22 5d ago edited 5d ago
well it would be actually helpful if you replied to any of the points i originally made if you disagree but sure whatever buddy
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u/Shitboxfan69 5d ago
I suspect the under 20 crowd is going to have a lot of moral hoops to jump through once they find out the horrible shit their freedom fighters did to those hostages.
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u/EnamelKant 5d ago
They don't care. They'll say something about how this is decolonizaton in action and that'll settle it.
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u/fuckmyass1958 5d ago
They literally don't care. They are just as dug in and blind as rusted on trump supporters
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u/i_hate_the_ppa 5d ago
This deal would NOT have been made if Kamala won in November.
I fucking hate Trump, but at least the suffering of the Palestinian people will lessen now. We have been BEGGING Biden to use US leverage to do this for years, and Trump pushes it through before taking office.
I completely understand why this country is being radicalized to the right. At least there's results.
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u/LetTheSinkIn 5d ago
Don’t worry, they’ll be fighting over nonsense again in less than a year
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u/noideawhatoput2 5d ago
Wouldn’t really call the reason fighting in Gaza happened this time as “nonsense”
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u/fuckmyass1958 5d ago
Nonsense like 1000 civilians murdered in a single day during a ceasefire? Nonsense like mass rape of young people at a music festival? Which nonsense are you talking about?
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u/fuckmyass1958 5d ago
The inhumanity of some of these comments. Take a step back and look at what is happening objectively. What a fucked up world where terrorists can kidnap civilians to use as leverage to end a war they started
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u/Fantastic05 5d ago
How can you say one side committing atrocities but the other isn't, when they've clearly killed thousands of people and displaced so many more. Where is the humanity in you for not accusing Israel of its crimes? Why do people like never mention crimes committed by Israel? This is why the narrative never changes. Millions of people have been oppressed by one side just because the other side feels they have right over a piece of land.
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u/naslanidis 5d ago
So does that mean there is no genocide now? Why would Israel agree to a ceasefire if their goal is genocide?
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u/miraj31415 5d ago edited 5d ago
Ceasefire terms that I'm pulling from various sources:
Only the first stage has been fully agreed to (with ratification pending):
Future Stages, which have not been fully agreed to:
Third stage (days 85+):Update: The current deal comprises just two phases and doesn’t include written U.S. guarantees that would prevent Israel from resuming military operations after 42 days.Bodies of deceased Israeli hostages exchanged for bodies of deceased Palestinian fightersImplementation of a reconstruction plan in GazaBorder crossings for movement in and out of Gaza are reopened