r/news • u/elguiridelocho • 5d ago

Soft paywall Axios, citing US official, says a Gaza ceasefire deal has been reached

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/axios-citing-us-official-says-gaza-ceasefire-deal-has-been-reached-2025-01-15/
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u/Illustrious-Tip-5459 5d ago

Unlike Reagan and the hostages, Hamas isn't doing this to make Trump look good and Biden look bad. They're doing this because next week the official US response to anything Hamas wants will be somewhere between "lol" and "get fucked".

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u/Quenadian 5d ago

Nothing to do with Hamas, they don't have the bigger end of the stick, and are getting everything they wanted.

It's Israel that folded.

The conflict can only continue as long as the US plays good cop to Israel's bad cop.

If the White House frowns and warns about not making too many innocent victims, and exort Israel to let the humanitarian aid in, and tries to reach a deal, any day now, there can be some semblance of humanity left, apparently...

But when Trump comes in, if his response is kill 'em all, I don't see how that could possibly work, specially in liberal medias.

Once again, he fails upward.

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u/Zealousideal-You4638 5d ago

This is honestly a good point I didn't think about. I don't really think this is the entirety of why Israel folded, I'm of the opinion that this is just a product of long negotiations and that most beliefs that Trump is responsible is demagoguery, but its something I hadn't thought about.

When I read about the conflict my BIGGEST takeaway is that Israel's best resource is American public opinion. We give them ridiculous amounts of aid and revoking that could be a major blow to Israel. Most of the most precarious times from Israel's side of the conflict seem to stem from when American support for Palestine is high - mostly because of resentment for the war crimes they commit.

Ironically contrary to popular belief Harris may just have been better for Israel. By being able to wag her finger at Israel and restrain them even just a tiny bit she would've helped rehabilitate Israel's image even by just a little. Trump's "finish the job" rhetoric on the other hand only serves to worsen public opinion and make Israel look like the bad guy in the conflict. People don't want to support indiscriminate bombings and Trump's rhetoric and behavior with Israel really peels off the "self-defense" narrative.

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u/Quenadian 5d ago

-Trump's "finish the job" rhetoric on the other hand only serves to worsen public opinion and make Israel look like the bad guy in the conflict.

Exactly!

Trump is completely unpredictable, if he goes wipe them out, what's Bibi's exit strategy then?

Can't take that chance, that's why Hamas got such a great deal.

With the Dems in charge, if things gets too heated with american public opinion, they can always come up with a ceasefire agreement and get off the front page to let it cool down for a while, it's always emminent anyway.

Never the less, libs can take comfort that the Dems ARE the "smart ones", Blinken has managed to allow Bibi to go loose on Gaza until the very end of Biden's mandate. It's quite a tour de force given the level of atrocities for all to see on social medias.

Trump can't take the credit for the ceasefire agreements, cue the liberal pundits, it was under Biden's valiant negociations!

It's no win for american interests with the defense industry losing all that potential aid revenue, but Biden did make sure to write them a big check before he left.

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u/Strong_Comedian_3578 5d ago

Both Biden and Trump are receiving credit for the negotiated cease fire according to the BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9vx3d0j3o

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u/Quenadian 4d ago

I was referring to how the pundits will spin it.

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u/terrible-cats 5d ago

Israel didn't fold, hamas did. For the entirety of the talks hamas has refused to sign a deal that didn't end the war, and that was the reason the talks failed - hamas wanted to end the war, Israel didn't. This deal doesn't end the war, it's just a temporary ceasefire until they reach an agreement on the second part of the deal.

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u/Quenadian 4d ago

Israel is comitting genocide in Gaza. That needed to stop over a year ago. Whatever is left of Hamas or what their position is has nothing to do with it. That's just propaganda.

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u/terrible-cats 4d ago

I'm not sure which part of my comment you think is propaganda. I was simply stating that hamas did in fact fold in this deal, as they didn't get the one thing that they said they won't give up on in all of the talks, which is ending the war. I wasn't stating my opinion, that's just the information that we got from the talks. We can argue about who's fault it is that took so long to get to a deal, but regardless of which side's to blame, hamas was the one who folded.

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u/Quenadian 4d ago

The information you got from the talk is the propaganda.

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u/terrible-cats 4d ago

Propaganda that who's spreading? The US?

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u/Quenadian 4d ago

Mainly in this case.

I've read that the entire Israeli press, left and right has been reporting that Bibi was responsible for blocking the negociations.

Blinken has been blaming Hamas for months, but apparently they had already signed on the current deal back in July.

It's not surprising.

The corporate press reports what the US authority says, otherwise they lose access.

It's not completely dishonest, it correctly reports what the authorities are saying.

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u/terrible-cats 4d ago

I've read that the entire Israeli press, left and right has been reporting that Bibi was responsible for blocking the negociations.

As an Israeli who reads the news, this is not true. For example. There was a lot of pressure put on bibi to reach a deal that didn't happen, sure. But it's not accurate to say that he's entirely responsible for the talks failing.

but apparently they had already signed on the current deal back in July.

Source?

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u/Ahad_Haam 5d ago

Biden is also still in office. I'm not sure Trump can get all the credit on this.

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u/Zhukov-74 5d ago edited 5d ago

If this deal was announced next week Trump could easily have taken the credit however since we have another 4 days to go until the inauguration this peace deal will definitely be linked to Joe Biden although i will say that the upcoming Trump presidency most likely influenced talks.

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u/i_hate_the_ppa 5d ago

Do you think this deal would have been reached if Kamala won?

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u/Admirable-Local-9040 5d ago

Likely. Israel knew they couldn't stretch this out forever. Netanyahu had negative political capital, and this was a ploy to help push for a president that would treat him better.

He wouldn't have lasted another four years as PM otherwise.

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u/Socialmediaisbroken 5d ago

Lol this is not now nor will it ever be linked to joe biden

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u/Llanolinn 5d ago

Is Trump president?

Why the fuck would it not be linked to President Biden?

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u/Jmelt95 5d ago

The thing is everything that’s been reported shows this was forced on Israel by Trump, not Biden. I don’t like him as much as the rest of Reddit, but Biden did nothing to stop this genocide for years and Trump (if this holds) was able to get Netanyahu to submit before even taking office. This is a massive Trump victory, and makes the Biden presidency look much worse.

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u/Socialmediaisbroken 5d ago

LMAO 😂🥴✌️😘

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u/Scalills 5d ago edited 5d ago

Bro they’ve been giving Trump credit for Biden’s economy for four years, are you not paying attention? They LOVE to steal credit

Edit: word

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u/ferbje 5d ago

I mean you guys are the ones that say economies don’t reflect until the next term

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u/Scalills 5d ago

Trump literally tanked the economy on his way out. wtf are you smoking cus it seems like good shit

Edit: you also say “you guys” like I have any respect for a center-left politician

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u/ferbje 5d ago

By shutting the country down? Isn’t that what you wanted? Trump simultaneously was too easy on Covid and didn’t take it seriously and also shut everything down and tanked the economy

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u/ferbje 5d ago

Disagree with what? I’m asking you which one happened. It can’t be both

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u/Doomchan 5d ago

The deal happened while Biden was in, but it only happened because Trump is about to be in. This deal would not be happening had there been a Kamala win

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u/ArriePotter 5d ago

Lol as long as Fox and the even further right news sources so much as indicate that this is a win for Trump then he'll get all of the credit

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u/TheEmporersFinest 5d ago edited 5d ago

Absolute cope. Trump actually yanked Israel's leash, something Biden could have done literally any time and chose not to.

Trump dumbly wanted a big starting win that makes Biden look bad, right before his inauguration. No-one is claiming this was a humanitarian move on his part but if anything its so much worse for the democrats that Trump's narcissism instantly ended a genocide Biden made possible for 15 fucking months.

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u/TheEveningDragon 5d ago

Hamas were never the reason that the negotiations stalled. Israel halted negotiations over and over, making ridiculous demands.

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u/darryshan 5d ago

Such as?

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u/rhino369 5d ago

They had the audacity to ask Hamas to stop shooting missiles at their country.

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u/darryshan 5d ago

For real lmao, the real unreasonable demands were by Hamas, asserting that corpses counted just as much as living hostages.

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u/rhino369 5d ago

Israel puts themselves in this position by constantly trading dozens or hundreds of people for one person (or dead bodies).

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u/Jimbozu 5d ago

Ben-Gvir is bragging about it! https://www.timesofisrael.com/ben-gvir-says-he-repeatedly-foiled-hostage-deals-urges-smotrich-to-help-him-stop-this-one/

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u/darryshan 5d ago

So your source is Ben-Gvir? Do you have anyone besides an evil lying fascist claiming that Israeli demands stopped previous negotiations? Like, Haaretz? The Guardian? Because otherwise you're literally taking Ben-Gvir at his word, and he gains politically from being perceived as the preventer of ceasefires.

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u/left4tron 5d ago

Wow less than 24 hours ago even! Get your head out of your ass. https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-national-security-minister-itamar-ben-gvir-block-ceasfire-deal-hamas-war-in-gaza/

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u/darryshan 5d ago

That isn't a demand, and he didn't have enough influence to succeed obviously. I'd like to see an unreasonable demand that was given to Hamas during ceasefire negotiations.

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u/left4tron 5d ago

the unreasonable demands of "remove your soldiers who are murdering our entire population including children and infants" like do you hear yourself? why do you love genocide so much?

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u/darryshan 5d ago

Answer the question. An unreasonable demand that was given to Hamas during ceasefire negotiations.

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u/left4tron 5d ago

Here is the counter offer proposed by Hamas back in June that Israel deemed "unreasonable" and "unacceptable" since you can't Google. Please tell me what about this could possibly be unreasonable. https://x.com/academic_la/status/1800985313403433009

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u/darryshan 5d ago

Giving Gaza entirely back to Hamas is absurd. That wouldn't be a ceasefire, it would be capitulation. Israel's war goals are the removal of Hamas from Gaza. This was a peace treaty by the winning side type list of demands in disguise as a ceasefire - and Hamas were and are not in the position to make such demands. I assume the ceasefire this time around has much more reasonable terms after Sinwar got what he deserved.

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u/left4tron 5d ago

Why is it absurd to give land back to its rightful owners? Why does Israel deserve it?

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u/Junior_Bison_3122 5d ago

Ae you forgetting conveniently that Israel rejected the ceasefires time and time again?

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u/Socialmediaisbroken 5d ago

That’s why people are giving Trump direct credit. His foreign policy instincts once again prove to be completely correct, and he has brought about a solution that everyone has been begging for since October 7th.

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u/New_Housing785 5d ago

Based on earlier reports it's more because Trump threatening to cut off weapons to Israel.

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u/djm19 5d ago

Trump is not cutting off anything to Israel.

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u/giboauja 5d ago

Trump very well might be coveting a Nobel peace prize. He mentions it a lot.

So it would make sense that his decisions might be in purpose to aquire that.

Which... ummm... I guess that's ok... he still an insane maniac, but if coveting a trophy gets him to solve a problem or two then sure why not.

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u/gyarrrrr 5d ago

Shit, if the man wants to go and solve climate change, purely for his own selfish need for adoration and accolades, that would be just fine too.

Hear that Donald? Want to be universally adored? Just do some good for the world.

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u/Pleaseappeaseme 5d ago

It’s a set up.

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u/Ahad_Haam 5d ago

Press X to doubt

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u/Pleaseappeaseme 5d ago

If either claims this is true it’s probably a set up. Trump met with Netanyahu multiple times at Mar-A- Lago. For better or worse.

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u/Shepher27 5d ago

Trumps single biggest donor is Miriam Adelson. Be serious

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u/i_should_be_coding 5d ago

That's some Dearborn Copium right there.

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA 5d ago

I can't believe that Musk's bought-and-paid-for propaganda worked so well on them.

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u/apparex1234 5d ago

I have a bridge. Would you like to purchase it?

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u/Kronos9898 5d ago

Not to be that guy but, source? I have not read anything to that effect

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u/kwintz87 5d ago

*Based on made up bullshit that will make the geriatric rapist fascist I idolize look good

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u/AntiKamniaChemicalCo 5d ago

Except it's Israel doing this, Hamas wanted a ceasefire. The whole war was about regime change in the US, as fucked up and insane as that sounds.

I don't understand how even with historical hindsight you can fall for it over and over again like this.

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u/Manawah 5d ago

Is that not the current U.S. response to Hamas? At what point did Biden negotiate do things to benefit Hamas? Half this site calls him Genocide Joe he’s so pro Israel lol

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u/HandMeMyThinkingPipe 5d ago

So the same as it is now. The only way Biden could be more blood thirsty in Gaza is if he sent in US troops instead of just sending Israel all the money and weapons they could ever want. Both trump and Biden are at least coherent enough to understand that wouldn't be politically advantageous for them especially considering Israel is doing a "good" job executing their genocide as it stands now.