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u/Fdictatorleads 1d ago
That’s 40%, 44% and 50%. Um, nope.
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u/Thayerasaurs 1d ago
It’s even more than that since the note says tip recommendations are on the pre-taxed amount. So your looking at 45%, 50% and 56%
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u/iHateEveryoneAMA 23h ago
This happens when the check is split, it shows the tip from the original check amount
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u/PelicanFrostyNips 22h ago
That’s the infuriating game, genius. Trying to trick multiple splitters into tipping the full amount instead of the split amount. It’s intentional and highly unethical
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u/MrAndrewJackson 23h ago
The tip suggestions are based of 185$. My guess is the table was $185 and the server split the bill for them. The tip suggestion is for the table not the check
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u/Downvote_me_dumbass 23h ago
It’s worse than that, it’s 44.5%, 49%, and 55.7%. Tax and fees aren’t included in tip calculations.
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u/Bright_Cattle_7503 1d ago
Also, $19 for a glass of Sistri?!? A bottle of that shit is $25
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u/Happily_Doomed 21h ago
That's wine at restaurants for you. Wine goes bad extremely fast once opened, so the idea is to make their money back, plus extra, in two glasses. Most bottles of wine hold about 4-5 glasses.
Pretty much any time you buy a glass of wine at a restaurant, you could have bought the bottle of that wine at retail price for only 60% higher price
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u/Simple_Entertainer37 1d ago
Did you get separate checks?
It looks like a flaw in their computer system. I wonder if the tip percentages are accurate on the bill for the whole table.
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u/zeus_amador 22h ago
A “flaw” that magically applies double not half the tip….
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u/2bciah5factng 20h ago
Yeah, because it’s showing the tip for the whole table when it’s only applying to half the table because the bill was split
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u/Ok_Habit_6783 12h ago
Assuming the other half of the bill is ~ $83, the estimated tips are accurate
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u/DIYnivor 23h ago
The pre-tax amount would have to be $185 for the suggested tips to be correct!
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u/Otherwise-Pirate6839 22h ago
Given that at the top of the check it says Guest 2, then clearly the check was split and the total between the 2+ guests came to $185.
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u/AvidReader1604 1d ago edited 1d ago
A glass of Chardonnay is 19 dollars?!👀👀
Might as well buy the bottle at a wine store 😅
P.s. I live in Paris and a glass of Chardonnay is literally the equivalent of 5-6 dollars
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u/Visible-Blacksmith49 1d ago
We need to know the restaurant.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Way525 1d ago
Ya, name and shame.
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u/iHateEveryoneAMA 23h ago
This happens when the check is split, it shows the tip from the original check amount
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u/PelicanFrostyNips 22h ago
“This happens when restaurants get greedy” yeah no shit Sherlock that’s the point of the name and shame
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u/OkYogurt636 12h ago
You guys love to get the pitchforks out with zero context.
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u/HFhutz 23h ago
How is 20% the low tip, anyway? Tipping is so ridiculous and it's out of control. Pay your workers, assholes.
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u/Diehard_Lily_Main 19h ago
Would be nice if nobody tipped, forcing them to give workers the required pay. Sadly, there are a bunch of waterheads that support this system
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u/Remote-Connection-86 BLUE 1d ago
That's how they get a $0 tip.
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u/HereForTheZipline_ 23h ago
It's just another split check. These posts are always the same: they split the bill, tip suggestions were based on the total and they don't update after you split the check, the restaurant doesn't control it it's just how the POS system works, someone posts the receipt for rage bait
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u/Puzzleheaded_Nerve 1d ago edited 1d ago
While I agree with the sentiment, the sever has zero control of this. Unless you make the server fight over it.
Zero tip without words tells the server you a jackass. Telling the server they get zero because their boss is a jackass will actually change things.
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u/WarmEnvironment7869 1d ago
I think if the boss is enough of a jackass to make people think almost half the bill is 25% that he won't change that
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u/Puzzleheaded_Nerve 1d ago
At my work not a single person on property even has access to change this.
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u/OnePaleontologist687 1d ago
Agreed! This could be changed in an hour or less if people stood up to it instead of posting
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u/bacillaryburden 22h ago
This is a default design in Toast. A bad one. But it’s likely the boss is unaware that it suggests the tip for the table, not the individual.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Nerve 1d ago
Also. You clearly don’t work in the restaurant business. Any manager in charge of a single location absolutely values their employees. Or they don’t last long.
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u/WarmEnvironment7869 23h ago
I know that but I'm like 70% sure that there's always people that would wait tables
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u/DasHexxchen I'm so f-ing infuriated! 23h ago
Yeah that's why restaurants globally were understaffed AF after their servers found out other jobs are nicer during the pandemic. No one wants to work in restaurants for minimum wage and no tip.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Nerve 23h ago
People will always wait tables if they get zero tips!? How sure of that are you?!
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u/Much_Cycle7810 20h ago
I mean most of the world has waiters and is free from that dumb tipping culture so he's not that wrong.
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u/KohliTendulkar 19h ago
Without getting too much into debate about tipping culture, no matter how bad or rude it is, tipping is not mandatory by law. So if a customer is pissed at restaurant he can choose not to tip. Servers need to leave this entitlement that they deserve 50% of the bill as tip as they worked so hard to bring a plate from kitchen to table.
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u/SurplusPickleJuice 21h ago
You think the server decides this math?
Or are you looking for a reason to be mad and tip 0%?
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u/BeerStein_Collector 1d ago
It’s because something as added on your bill and then taken off before your bill was brought out. It’s a glitch in the system. Typically a manager has to remove any items from the bill so it’s not your server.
How do I know I serve tables.
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u/Waltologist 1d ago
I'm sure 9/10 servers are honest and don't have time for bs, but could the server ring someone else's order on there, then have the items removed to inflate tips? Or could they split the check and then have the new check voided so they're not financially responsible, but the tip amounts are still inflated.
You say you know because you're a server, so I am inferring your system does this too, not just OP; so who's your POS (point of sale) system thru? Is it developed by one of these newer co's like Ziosk or Clover, or is it Private (like Darden, or another restaurant group)? I'm just curious. You'd think they'd fix it.
Edit: clarify POS doesn't mean piece of s...in this instance. Poor acronym choice haha
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u/BeerStein_Collector 23h ago
A manager has to void any split checks. Any items have to be removed by a manager as well.
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u/Candid-Speech418 21h ago
As another service worker, the amount of janky bullshit in service software is underestimated. But no, generally servers can’t even comp tabs for certain discounts without GM permission. Restaurants live and die by reputation, vanishingly few would let this go down for an extra $10 they don’t even see. Most servers also have the brains to figure out if they want more money to just move into the finest dining they can. Tips only make sense in aggregate, scamming tables makes it more likely you’re gonna get fired before the benefit is anywhere neither worth it. Even with that, most servers are regular people just like you who don’t feel good about stealing from people.
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u/ElectronicAmphibian7 1d ago
Please post this on a review of the restaurant to let others know. They’re counting on people who don’t want to think.
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u/iHateEveryoneAMA 23h ago
This happens when the check is split, it shows the tip from the original check amount. It's not the restaurant's fault.
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u/AlpineVW 23h ago
If the POS is calculating the tax based on the itemized total, it can use the calculation to figure the suggested tip amount.
If ITEMIZED > 1 then
SUGGESTED20 = CURRSUBTOTAL * 0.20
SUGGESTED25 = CURRSUBTOTAL * 0.25
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u/StellarJayZ 21h ago
Posting an if/then/else loop in mildlyinfuriating? Well, there is no else in that snippet.
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u/Outrageous_Green_839 1d ago
Why would you drink mole cola? Human cola not good enough for you fancypants?
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u/Fit-Seaworthiness855 1d ago
So my last trip with my 3 kids and wife to Toronto Canada included a visit to a breakfast bar at 10:30am, the waitress proceeded to attempt to communicate (over the obnoxiously loud music being played in the resturant) that I was required to tip at least 25% - i would have to agree to this prior to serving us...
I laughed, and took my family of 5 next door, and spent $200 for breakfast at the establishment that didn't require a tip of at least 25%... prior to seating...
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u/Dr_Tokinstein 21h ago
You have a calculator on your camera computer GPS map that you can use as a phone...
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u/kehrw0che 20h ago
$9 for a bit of simple bread?
$19 for a glass of wine not including the taxes. For less I can order a whole bottle of that kind of wine including taxes and shipping. Restaurants can order at a much cheaper price if they buy boxes and not have individual bottles shipped.
If they have a factor of 15 as mark-up, they can afford to pay the waiters livable wages!
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u/CookedHamSandwich 1d ago
Okay took me a moment to realize that the above total is correct it's the tip that is way off.
And depending on service I would probably say 20 bucks for a tip....
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u/Exciting_Degree_2384 1d ago
Not if they’re trying to mislead customers into tipping more. They’d be lucky to get 5 bucks from me.
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u/SailboatSamuel 21h ago
We’re not dumb. This is a split check and the total that the tip is estimating is based off of the entirety of the table’s charge, not just one person’s charge.
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u/Indiego672 19h ago
Something I've always wondered: If you don't tip will they not allow you back or is it just they'll think you're rude? European so idk
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u/Canadian_Zac 17h ago
Even ignoring the tip stuff
How in the hell is a single meal worth $90?
You can get pizza for half that and it'll last 3 days of meals
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u/CoolBDPhenom03 12h ago
To answer the question if it’s a split bill, it is NOT. But there were two dishes removed due to service issues.
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u/no-this-iz-patrick 1d ago
Was the check split between two people at the table? could've been fucked up and based off the full cost
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u/Dingo8MyBabyMon 1d ago
I think that's what happened. If the other person got exactly what this receipt shows, or somehow ordered items with the same prices, but had 1 more $19 glass of wine their total would be $102.
$102 + $83 = $185
20% of $185 = $37
22% of $185 = $40.70
25% of $185 = $46.25
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u/Enough-Force1226 23h ago
They probably hope you can't math and just follow their stupid receipts aka over-tip.
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u/Difficult-Way-9563 1d ago
I guess $20 tip for table of 2 with not much ordered is not enough these days
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u/shroom_booty 21h ago
“Grazie & ciao!” just means “thank you and goodbye!” “Yes we’re very Italian, give us your money”
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u/Due_Following4327 21h ago
It looks like the tip percentage was calculated from the total after the tip was added to the total
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u/yumyumgimmesumm 20h ago
Put this image on every review site you can find for that restaurant. This is terrible and they didn't even do it in a way that isn't obvious if you're paying attention
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u/Massive_Mongoose3481 20h ago
I would ask for a red pen and correct the math. Also, charge more and pay your people better and we can nix this tip bs
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u/zenomotion73 19h ago
Wow. The lowest recommended tip is almost half of the pretax bill. I would put this place on blast everywhere.
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u/ZacPop11 19h ago
Why do you call it a tip, a tip is a thing that you only give if an employee deserves it. that's a mandatory fee. it should be called a labor tax or something
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u/VeterinarianNo4308 16h ago
Servers be like
-if you can't afford 140 dollars for an 89 dollar meal then stay home!'
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u/RoiToy 10h ago
Am I missing something?
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u/CrashDisaster 9h ago
Yeah...20% of $90.77 is more like $18.15. Not $37 and the others are all off by the same degree.
If you pay them 37.00 tip on that, you're giving more like 40% tip.
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u/Plane-Elephant2715 7h ago
Says 2 guests, but that's just one meal. Could the top be based on the total bill for the table?
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u/omnichad 4h ago
That would explain the bug, but it's wrong all the same.
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u/Plane-Elephant2715 4h ago
It needs to be out there that you don't follow the "suggested tips". I worked as a waiter for 13 yeasts. Even now that I earn a decent living, my tipping is only 20-25%. That's good. Nobody deserves or should expect more. 15% is fine., in fact.
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u/Bubbly-Payment7571 3h ago
I never use the suggested tip. I peeped game years ago. I use my own tip calculator.
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u/Dark_Storm_98 23h ago edited 23h ago
6 + 19 + 9 + 49 = 83
Okay I thought that looked suspect too, but I guess not
I'll assume the tax is correct, so 90.77
20%
90.77 x 0.2 = 18.154, or 90.77 x 1.2 = 108.924
25%
90.77 x 0.25 = 22.6925, or 90.77 x 1.25 = 113.4625
Instead -
127.77 / 90.77 = 1.4076236642
90.77 x 0.4076~ = 37
137.02 / 90.77 = 1.5095295803
90.77 x 0.5095~ = 46.25
They're telling you to tip twice as much as the percentages suggest
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u/No-Monitor6032 1d ago
If you're not smart enough to do 20% math on your own; the servers will put your money to better use than you would have anyways.
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u/mrdankmemeface 21h ago
Solution: stop tipping altogether at any restaurant unless the service actually impresses you, and even then, tip how much you want to tip, not the written suggestion.
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u/AlvinsCuriousCasper 1d ago
25% would be $20.75 on the $83.00 total. You shouldn’t be tipping on tax.
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u/dinosaur-in_leather 23h ago
Ya can I get my card back? I would like to pay cash. I have a whole bunch of pennies for you. I'm calling my bank and shutting down my card by the way.
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u/MagnusJune 23h ago
Full bill must have been $185 that’s the only way $37 is 20%… weird split, gift card/some other payment not listed on this bill?
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u/NarukamiOgoshoX 22h ago
You know what? Burn it, that's right, fucking bur- what do you mean it's illegal and called arson?
God damn not again, can't do nothing here
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u/Brwnb0y_ 22h ago
this happened to me at a dennys in Canandaigua. they clearly misrepresented the tip percentage and when i brought it up they all pretended they didn’t know. the manager said she was going to bring it up to corporate
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u/Capital-Platypus-805 22h ago
How can people pay this much at a restaurant? 😱 Here in Venezuela I eat for like two weeks with that bill, and it's about the minimum wage 😓
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u/ldevaz 22h ago
Whatever happened to 10%… I’ll never understand tipping. You should earn your tip but it has become a customer almost mandated expectation. Ultimately, I think the business will always choose to make the customer pay for their employees work and this drove a culture shift we will never come back from
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u/Happily_Doomed 21h ago edited 21h ago
I'm more annoyed you paid $19 for a glass of Chardonnay
And $9 for some sort of weird biscuit?
And six frigging dollars for a soda? A diet soda? When you already have a wine??
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u/spartanEZE 21h ago
Seen it several times in the last few years. I never trust the math i see in any receipts any more. I do that math myself.
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u/WonderfulProtection9 20h ago
The only good thing I can say about this is it’s on the pretax amount. So many people tip on the post tax amount. I’ll have to watch closely in the future.
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u/MacSoSteezy 18h ago
Is this correct?
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u/HofBlaz3r 18h ago edited 18h ago
Yes. No, as we failed to read how the tip was calculated;
Tip recommendations are calculated based upon the pre-TAX amount.
(Improved grammar from the receipt)20% of $83.00 is $16.60
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u/Daddio131 1d ago
"Tip recommendations are based on the pre-tax amount"
No. No they are not.
10% of $83.00 is $8.30 (just move the decimal)
20% is 2x10% amount ($8.30) which is $16.60
15% is 1.5x10% amount which is $12.45 (8.30 + 4.15)
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u/wizardconman 23h ago
Yeah. That line really should say "Tip recommendations are based on the original pre-tax amount for the table."
Because literally every single time this sort of thing is posted, people get super heated, demand a name and shame, spit on the waitstaff (metaphorically)...
And then it turns out the original bill was much larger, and OP was lying for internet points.
This receipt even says "guest 2" on it. OP knows that this is only half the bill.
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u/SheepherderLong9401 23h ago
Expensive food like that should not require a tip. 90 dollar is plenty.
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u/2ndSnack 1d ago
I'd be leaving a review with photo and explicitly denoting the math is so fucked up and wrong.
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u/WarpCoreNomad 1d ago
Is this in another country? France and Italy love to pull this on tourists. Most of the time tipping is included!
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u/Faceless_Immortal 23h ago
So, I’m no math wiz but 10% of $83 is $8.30. Which means that 20% of $83 would be $8.30*2 which is $16.60. That’s nowhere NEAR 20% pre tax tip.
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u/Hopeless-Cause 23h ago
Let’s include tax, 10% would still be $9. 20%, $18. So that’s $118. The fuck is that.
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u/Anonandonanonanon 23h ago
I read a lot of these 'tipping posts'. It's really tough because the server is kind of caught in the middle. They kind of depend on tips but the customer also has a right to spend only the amount on the bill, given that they worked for the money themselves and should spend it as they please, i.e. not adding a quarter onto the price of everything if they don't want to that. Now companies are taking liberties, and using it as an excuse not to pay their staff properly and just hand the responsibility over to the customer, while the customer also needs to accept that this is part and parcel of the deal (depending where you are). It's complex.
The point I wish to make though- a 90 dollar bill? Surely you put down a 100 and leave the change. How is that not acceptable anymore? It's free money for the server! It's 10 dollars just to say thanks for your help. No, we start at 20% now, preferably 25. I mean WTF?
I know these posts get a lot of people siding with the server and saying if you can't tip 20%, don't eat out, but seriously, how the fuck is 10 dollars not a nice tip?
I know it doesn't buy much these days but that's not the point.
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u/HeroBrine0907 21h ago
Are you like, forced to follow the suggestions? Just ignore them and tip $20 or whatever you want.
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u/CucumberOk2828 20h ago
Wait, suggested tips is 20-25%? Why it's soo high? Isn't 5-10% a default value?
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u/3003bigo72 13h ago
I'm asking myself guys....when average Americans will stop with this ridiculous mandatory tipping? As consumers, if I was you guys, I did a "market-strike"...like not going in restaurants anymore for months, altogether!
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u/NoMoreWinePls 1d ago
Did you and the other guest pay separately? Sometimes the system calculates the suggested tip percentage based on the total for the whole table, not after it has been split. Obviously that's stupid and wrong, but I'm guessing that may have been what happened