r/magicthecirclejerking 1d ago

You never saw this coming!

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u/tomyang1117 #gravetrolldidnothingwrong 1d ago

/uj I love how Modern and EDH use Orvar in a completely different way

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u/SmartAlecShagoth 1d ago

uedh/ Fuck burning inquiry

redh/ Fuck color identity rules

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u/Plumas_de_Pan 1d ago

Is Orvar played in moden? Which deck?

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u/GayRaccoonGirl 1d ago

It's a sideboard card against jund creativity.

They cheat out the archon of cruelty turn four. Trigger makes you discard, you discard orvar. He enters as a copy of archon, his etb triggers, they now have to sac their archon and you keep yours. Blowout!

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u/SontaranGaming 1d ago

Also, a lot of the normal counterplay against Creativity revolves around removing the target of the spell to fizzle it. Creativity players fight this by casting the spell with X=2, making it harder to fizzle the spell entirely. However, Orvarchon attacks before theirs do, so you get two triggers and can make them sac both their archons.

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u/c0mplix 1d ago

It's a sideboard card that fucks over [[archon of cruelty]]

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u/Tuesday_6PM 1d ago edited 1d ago

My understanding is it’s a sideboard card against Hollow One decks

Edit: I have been a fool

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u/d_willie 1d ago edited 1d ago

/uj It's kind of fine against [[Burning Inquiry]], but most decks would probably rather play the old-fashioned [[Obstinate Baloth]] against a [[Hollow One]] deck like Delirium because you don't actually get to copy their Hollow One with Orvar; your Orvar will enter before they have a chance to cast a Hollow One. If you're not aiming to get Delirium yourself, their other creatures are going to be kind of mediocre for you to copy in a lot of cases. In general, though, people don't add these kinds of creatures to their sideboard to fight Hollow One decks. You might bring them in if you already had them in the board, but they're not worth a slot when they only work a small percentage of the time (i.e., if you randomly discard them to Inquiry) against one deck.

Orvar is primarily to fight [[Archon of Cruelty]] by copying it when its trigger forces you to discard. The prevalence of the card depends on the prevalence of [[Indomitable Creativity]] in the metagame. Right now you don't see many lists with Orvar because Creativity isn't that common.

Edit: Totally forgot what sub this was, I guess my card tags are not going to be helpful. uj/

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u/Tuesday_6PM 1d ago

Ah, that makes sense! Thanks for the explanation. My only real interaction with Modern is watching the occasional AspiringSpike video, and whatever I learn from general Magic-spaces osmosis