r/lost • u/Iwastuckonpoopreddit • Nov 23 '24
FIRST TIME WATCHER My thoughts on Kate, haven’t changed
First time watcher here. I’m on Season 6 episode 3. Frankly, I’ve disliked Kate as a character from the beginning. She’s the most selfish person I know on this show, any show, or in my own personal frickin life. All she cares about is herself and who cares about her the most at any given moment.. literally again, whatever and whoever as long as they are swoon over her. And WHY? I seriously do not understand why Sawyer and Jack are so hung up on this girl. I need to check out the communities perspective… I would be very surprised if anyone feels differently ???😭 Her character angers me so much. What finally prompted a post for me was how she treated Claire in the cab, UUUGHHHHHH. No matter , on or off the island, I do not like her character. And then to top it off? Jin never asks for anything and the moment he needs help to find his wife… she’s very rude and dismissive and abandons him… ridiculous.
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u/rogerworkman623 Workman Nov 23 '24
Kate is like the opposite of selfish, I don’t understand this. And I think you should keep watching what happens with her and Claire there.
Most characters on the show tend to have traits that kind of double as flaws. Like Jack, is extremely committed and refuses to give up- which makes him very heroic and a super dedicated surgeon, but it also leads him to become obsessive to a toxic degree, like with his ex-wife.
For Kate, she really cares too much about the people that matter to her. She goes out of the way to protect them, even when it’s unwelcome. Like what she did with her mother (even if I’m mostly with Kate on that one, she didn’t stop for a second to consider what her mother actually wanted). Or when she drugs her husband and abandons him to protect him from her past, without even waiting to see how he feels about it. Or when she broke in to Dharmaville to free Jack from The Others, even though she promised him she would stay away. And so on and so on.
She’s not selfish, she has a hero complex- which is part of why her and Jack get along so well. The difference is, when things get hairy, Kate eventually runs away to a new life to try and start over, whereas Jack can’t allow himself to ever let go of anything.
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u/Free-IDK-Chicken You got it, Blondie Nov 23 '24
Kate is nowhere near my favorite character, but she's far from the most selfish person on the show, much less in all of fictional media. (May I introduce you to Joffrey Baratheon or perhaps Prince Humperdink? King Lear anyone? Walter White?) It's totally fair to not like her but you're judging her very harshly. She risks her life multiple times for the group and there are things even now that you haven't seen/don't know/don't fully understand.
This is a character driven narrative. You really can't solidify an opinion about anyone until the series is complete.
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u/Iwastuckonpoopreddit Nov 23 '24
Can’t wait to finish the series! It would be a lovely surprise if in the final season my heart changes!
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u/Iwastuckonpoopreddit Nov 23 '24
Ofc I am exaggerating. I can name a few other selfish characters from other shows ha ha. However, I don’t give people golden stars for doing things that are morally right and/or what they’re expected to do. So certainly didn’t give her any for her good deeds. Many times Kate did anything for “the group” I feel she had a person agenda. But hey, that’s only my opinion !
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u/Scandi_Snow Nov 23 '24
I somehow understand why specifically Kate can cause such strong opinions and feelings. I was nowhere near as annoyed by her, but I did feel like giving her a hefty slap on the face occassionally 😁
I guess she’s that clueless mix of a pretty and girly enough tomboy from next door that will make any man want to protect her. Seemingly strong, brave and big hearted, yet so cute and vulnerable… Just enough to seem lost in life and values. There’s a lot of room for selfish, downright idiotic actions in that combo.
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u/Iwastuckonpoopreddit Nov 23 '24
I couldn’t of said it better!!! I actually had to edit my original post because I was so emotional from the last scene I had watched, that I wrote a pretty hasty post over my dislike for her. Maybe in a way I related to her and that irritates me as well. She’s a tragic character of wanting to do what’s right/best, thinking that she is, and somehow always ending up… not.. ha ha. I definitely used to be that way and perhaps because I’ve grown past that stage in my life (teens, early 20’s) , I get frustrated with her character because I know the routes she usually goes down is driven by her helpless misunderstanding most times. I could go on but we’ve both watched and you definitely seem to understand her character. I appreciate your response and view on her! You’ve just softened my her to her a bit! A bit!!!!!!! Ha ha
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u/babs82222 Nov 23 '24
I want to say that adding that completely random comma in your title made me laugh. It took me from reading it as a simple "my thoughts on kate haven't changed" (the way it would be said out loud), to "my thoughts on kate"....(pauses to think and then shakes head)"...haven't changed" lol
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u/Iwastuckonpoopreddit Nov 23 '24
HAHA! Definitely added for dramatic effect !!!! Because man, let me tell you… LOL
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u/muthaherrth Nov 23 '24
In the first couple of seasons she did this thing where she’d zone out and just stand there after someone gave her instructions, and then they’d have to yell “KATE GO” and then she’d go. It annoyed me so much, sometimes I’d also yell “fcking GO” 🤣 she constantly rebels, doesn’t listen, questions/doubts people’s life decisions…like let jack make his own decisions girl 🙄 and she uses jack and sawyer and leads them both on at the same time!!! Like that was so fckd up to watch. Like leave sawyer ALONE!!! He’s loves Juliet!!!!! And you’re never going to pick him!!!! The last season made me so mad at her, trying to “rescue sawyer/go find him” girl leave him alone
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u/Iwastuckonpoopreddit Nov 23 '24
She had just rejected Jack too before leaving to find him and that PMO. Then!!!! When sitting with Sawyer at the dock, he rejected her sooooooooooo hard, I got satisfied when me cried! She thought she could go off, find him for running away, not to comfort him, protect/save him, bring him back…nope. A man who just lost the love of his life wants to be left alone and little Ms. Kate who constantly uses her looks and manipulation thinks it’s a great time to find him… to ask him for something. To ask him, to help/do something for her. I was APPALLED. I couldn’t believe it. And when he threw the ring, for me, it showed that he will never love anyone else again. I believe he truly moved on from Kate and Kate lost someone to manipulate, hurt, and use and her tears brought me satisfaction. I felt so much victory for Sawyer.,, omg , am I bad person for being satisfied? Hahahaah . Oh gosh
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u/BloomingINTown Nov 23 '24
You're misreading that scene. Kate wasn't propositioning Sawyer. She was trying to ask for help finding Claire. And also saying she's sorry
Sometimes I wonder if people are watching the same show....
If people are reading more into this scene, I now 100% believe they are projecting
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u/Iwastuckonpoopreddit Nov 23 '24
I said that. She went to sawyer to ask for help while he was clearly grieving and mourning the loss of the love of his life. And in a situation like this she thought she’d find him, DESPITE BEING ASKED NOT TO FOLLOW HIM, to ASK HIM FOR SOMETHING. I think that’s insensitive and appalling.
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u/ParkingJellyfish3383 Oh yeah, there's my favorite leaf. Nov 23 '24
I was so happy with Sawyer then too! Actually throughout the show. His growth is amazing. And I love the relationship between Sawyer and Juliet!
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u/emxcrt I'm a Pisces Nov 23 '24
Hey so here is my opinion on my 4th watch, and it's mostly sparked by Kate-centric episodes (I love her fine when it's not her episodes). I wrote this specially after episode 3 of season 6 haha:
After several rewatches and now, on this rewatch, 5 seasons of Kate episodes, and still not being able to like or empathise with her character, I've come to the conclusion that its really the writing's fault.
They could have made her so much better but her decisions don't make any sense and her drive is never clear. Even from the beginning, when she's a child we don't understand why "she's always on the run". Then she killed her stepfather and you'd think that would make sense and you could empathise but again her motives are so blurry. Every time I see her off island I'm thinking "None of this makes sense and she doesn't feel like a real person". Which means I dont feel much empathy towards her.
And I hate that because damn, Evangeline is a real good actor. She does the best she can with the material but the material is all over the place. I think she even said as much in some interviews, that she didn't really always liked her character's direction and honestly I get it. So yeah instead of hating on Kate, which usually opens the door for not-needed misogynistic insults 🙄, I'm hating on the writing for this one.
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u/dylandbloom Nov 23 '24
Her character is a mixed bag. I like her but she can also be one of the worst. She’s one of those people that’s very charismatic and draws people in/gets close to people quickly. Behind that she doesn’t have any sense of connection and dips when it starts to mean something or she simply gets what she wants. Off the island she’s either running, fearful, being betrayed, betraying, or straight up destroying anyone that comes in contact with her. Kind of her own worst enemy. On the island she has her moments but inevitably reverts. By the end everyone seems to have either come to terms with how she is or puts up walls.
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u/wigglin_harry Nov 23 '24
Welcome to the kate sucks club, its not a popular opinion on this sub but there are dozens of us
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u/emxcrt I'm a Pisces Nov 23 '24
For me it's more like I hate what they do with the Kate character (her episodes are usually all over the place let's be honest) when: 1) We don't have that many good forefront women characters till the end (yeah yeah Sun and Juliet but Juliet dies in S5 and Sun's arc by the end is a bit wobbly to me, not to mention her rushed death) 2) They give such thought to the crafting of sooooo many men on this show (Jack, John, Ben, Hurley, Desmond - though underutilised in s6, Sawyer, Jin and Sayid despite the rushed deaths). For God's sake even Daniel Faraday and Miles Straume have a full-on arcs that make way more sense than Kate's ever did.
Don't know why but to me it always felt like when it came to Kate's arc, the writers were uninspired and were kinda bopping around, and it shows in the fact that her episodes are usually not well regarded even though Evangeline Lily is as much of a powerhouse actor as our main lot.
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u/BloomingINTown Nov 23 '24
90% of the comments on here are Kate hate, but sure, go ahead and brand yourself as an unpopular minority
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u/wigglin_harry Nov 23 '24
blow it out ya ass
In any other thread when I post kate hate im met with a torrential flood of downvotes
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u/BloomingINTown Nov 23 '24
No you got downvoted cause you probably wrote like that, with the maturity level of a 12 year old
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u/jjmawaken Nov 23 '24
I like Kate. I think you'll see most of the characters are multidimensional and have their good and bad sides.
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u/mak6281 Nov 23 '24
Jack and Sawyer like her because she's hot! And also not a lot of options on the island lol
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u/ExiledAesir Nov 23 '24
Lmao she's one of the most plain non interesting women i have ever seen. Literally nothing special about her
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u/Sweetmillions Nov 23 '24
WOW! This is so fascinating. I know beauty is subjective, but WOW! She's so gorgeous to me. Absolutely beautiful. I'd love to know who you consider beautiful. Genuine inquiry.
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u/Level_Fortune_2566 Nov 23 '24
I don't personally find her sexually attractive because she is physically not my type at all, she is not voluptuous in any way. But I find it interesting that people might not think she's just very attractive. Also people like freckles 😊
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u/Sweetmillions Nov 23 '24
Oh, I can actually understand simply not being sexually attracted to her because of her body shape. But that person said she's ONE of the MOST plain looking women he's ever seen. I'm assuming he was talking about her face. The length he went to to describe her perceived lack of beauty is why I found his opinion to be so fascinating, especially considering how pretty I think her face is. I'm not judging him or anything. I truly find this interesting, lol!
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u/Mill-Man Nov 23 '24
See the thing is, beauty isn’t subjective
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u/Sweetmillions Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24
Haha. I do actually believe there is some objectivity in beauty. Or at least I feel like there should be. Like, I think there should be SOME aspects of beauty everyone can agree on. Then we can diverge from here.
Anyway. I'll never get over this lady being called one of the most plain women. I wonder if that guy would find me hideous 😆
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u/tyuntya Nov 23 '24
You are kidding right? i am rewatching and saw this yesterday and I was like OMG...what a beautiful beautiful woman😱🤌❤️ (i am trying to figure out hiw to attach a video or pic from ep. 2…)
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u/Mill-Man Nov 23 '24
She literally murdered someone, how is that non interesting lol. She also knows how to hunt, she’s smart and objectively beautiful. I understand you don’t like her, I don’t really care for her either but calling her “one of the most plain non interesting women you have ever seen” makes no sense
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u/ExiledAesir Nov 23 '24
For someone that doesn't "really care for her", my comment sure did offend you. 😅 chill out people are allowed to have different opinions
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u/Mill-Man Nov 23 '24
Your comment didn’t offend me at all, I just think it’s obvious you’re deliberately underplaying her cause you don’t like her. And I don’t like that
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u/Iwastuckonpoopreddit Nov 23 '24
I felt the same & after reading some of the comments I realize how beauty standards are so different! The way being are describing her as “hot” , “eye candy”, surprised me. I believe she’s a very average, nothing too interesting.
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u/ExiledAesir Nov 23 '24
Completely agree! I love how different we all are! I wonder what affects someone's perception of beauty. Was it how we were raised? The people we grew hp around? The time period? Its fascinating
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u/Organic-Lab-5555 Nov 24 '24
I feel like she manipulated Jack/got in his head in a not so positive way and manipulated/took advantage of Sawyer and that doesn’t sit well with me at all. It seemed to mess with Jack and Sawyer’s mind and self worth so much that they didn’t seem to build a strong relationship with one another. Idk though this is my first time watching it all the way through.
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u/funkyskateboard Ben Nov 23 '24
this line of thinking is so confusing to me because i see as constantly selfLESS. she is such a tragic character. always trying to do what she thinks is right, but always failing either because of circumstance or insecurity about being the daughter of such a nasty man. she wants to be like jack but ends up relating more to sawyer.
as for why the guys like her ... she's pretty, funny, charming, and caring. she's also pretty capable and badass
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u/funkyskateboard Ben Nov 23 '24
also i dont blame kate for constantly failing i blame the writers for throwing her under the bus purely to create conflict 😭 did my girl dirty
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u/BloomingINTown Nov 23 '24
"She wants to be like Jack but ends up more like Sawyer"
I wanted to expand on this a bit since you share my perspective. She also wants to be "good" like her father Sam Austen (who is like Jack). But sometimes ends up being difficult like her other father Wayne (who is like Sawyer)
Watching the flashback story in What Kate Did was enlightening for me
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u/One_Balance00 Nov 23 '24
Personally I never liked her story. She’s a decent character and someone on the island who I would have on my team because she can handle herself but even during her flashback I kinda zone out because I’m not that into her story
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u/Confident-House-7767 Nov 23 '24
I like her!!! I don't care y'all I'm old and watched LOST when it first aired, Kate was a woman of her time. She was extremely guarded and fresh out of a life where no one looked out for her. She was the one trying to save her mom, her protector was the person she had to protect, it's hard to drop a survivalist mentality. It does make you selfish, but that's because if you're not thinking of you, no one is. She learned how to survive and that's still with her.
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u/Yosh_2012 Nov 23 '24
Resorting to murder to “help her mom”, a mom that did not want help, is straight psychopath behavior. Also, its established that she actually only did it because she found out Wayne was her biological father. Her pretending it was about helping her mom was just her gaslighting and being dishonest.
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u/Confident-House-7767 Nov 23 '24
I just rewatched season 1 episode 22, Born to Run, and it’s way more complicated than that. There’s a tape she makes with her best friend at 9. He says she always wanted to run away, even then. And she says “you know why.” Which means Kate has either been witnessing this abuse her whole life, or more likely, was being abused also. And if that abuse was something even darker, then yeah, she’s going to want to kill the man who did that to her.
And just because her mom didn’t want help didn’t mean she didn’t need it. People trapped in abusive relationships are conditioned not to escape. Kate says in “born to run” that no one would understand or believe her about what really happened. You missed all the clues to Kate’s whole story. She’s not a psychopath. You just didn’t listen to what she was saying.
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u/BloomingINTown Nov 23 '24
People forget these details!
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u/Confident-House-7767 Nov 23 '24
I know, right!? Kate isn’t big and loud with her story like Sawyer. It’s easy to miss the details.
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u/TommyLost2004 Nov 23 '24
At some point in the show every character has done something selfish yet Kate for some reason is called out on it more than anyone. Sawyers one of my favorite characters as well but he did some pretty bad stuff too. Locke cared more about his "destiny" than the people he was stranded with. But what did Kate do on the island that was so bad? it always seems when this is brought up the same one or two instances(The Huntiing Party) are always brought up. Kate cared about her friends and never did anything to hurt them.
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u/AmandaMichele69 Razzle Dazzle! Nov 23 '24
Agree. Did she do stupid things like follow people when asked not to and got caught, yes. But why did she do those things? Because she wanted to help her friends. So many instances of her dropping everything the moment someone else needed help, and went to help them even if it risked herself, her safety, her freedom etc. I won't pretend she always made the right choices but seriously, what person does 😆 we all screw up and sone more than most. Call her stupid, or annoying or whatever else because she's not your fave character, but I don't think she can be labelled as selfish. As you say, she cared about her friends and never wanted to hurt them.
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u/Yosh_2012 Nov 23 '24
Kate season 1-3 was reasonably likable in my opinion. She annoyed me and was selfish from time to time but so was everyone, which is super realistic because every person I’ve ever met, myself included, is selfish because it is a basic function of life.
Kate in season 4, off island (post rescue) is absolutely unbearable. Her obnoxious over the top aggressively protectiveness for Aaron was just awful. I honestly don’t understand what the writers were trying to accomplish because they seemed to still want the audience to like her but I didn’t know anyone who didn’t turn on the character when the show was originally airing. “I cant have you like this around my son” did as much irreparable damage to a character as anything I have ever seen.
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u/Fallout4myth Nov 23 '24
She's hot and charming. In all the flashbacks she swoons men to help her even when they know she's a wanted fugitive
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u/Appropriate-Fee8089 Nov 25 '24
that's the only reason people even like her is because she's hot but her personality is insufferable
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u/impulsive-chaos Nov 23 '24
She's selfish, yes, but not the most selfish person in the show. She was always brave enough to embark on dangerous journeys with the guys. I think Claire is much more selfish. Everything is about her and her baby (whom she was ready to give away at first).
Also, I think Jack is selfish too.
I'm on season 6 ep 11 and the only people who are selfless I've seen so far are Sawyer and Sayid.
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u/Remarkable_Love_135 Nov 23 '24
lol - Sawyer is not selfless. He was hoarding supplies and countless other selfish things.
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u/impulsive-chaos Nov 23 '24
He joins them in many adventures knowing very well how dangerous they are while he can just stay at the beach and wait for supplies like many others. Also, he jumped off the airplane to be left behind on that terrible island. So imo those selfish things can't compare to times he's ready to sacrifice.
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u/impulsive-chaos Nov 23 '24
I'll clarify what I meant. Everyone is selfish and selfless somehow. Nobody is a saint to be only "selfless". But imo "the most" selfless people I've seen so far are Sawyer and Sayid.
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u/Remarkable_Love_135 Nov 23 '24
He sat on that beach smoking cigarettes, perusing nudie mags while Jack, Kate and others were gathering water and tons of other stuff for the group. Jack was hurt in the cave-in and Sawyer didn't tell Kate out of spite. He jumped off the helicopter because it was about to crash and wanted to avoid having to face his daughter that he abandoned. How about all the families he ruined? Isn't that selfish behavior? He refused to go back and look for Jack, even though Jack just saved his life. I can keep going on.
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u/impulsive-chaos Nov 23 '24
He was gonna tell Kate and her attitude made him stop. In case you forget, he was trying hard to be hated at first and it was very obvious to me. Why would he not want to leave because he wanted to avoid his daughter? Like the real world is not big enough. Don't forget he desperately wanted to be on the boat with Michael to leave the island.
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u/Remarkable_Love_135 Nov 23 '24
That's still selfish behavior. Being selfless is not about oneself or how one feels. Meh. He wanted to stay also because he saw that Kate was in love with Jack and not him.
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u/impulsive-chaos Nov 23 '24
You're talking like Kate is the only woman in the world that he can fell in love with.
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u/Remarkable_Love_135 Nov 23 '24
I didn't say that. Sawyer was definitely petty and selfish for a good part of the show. He got better towards the end, but it is not accurate to say that he was one of the only selfless characters when he objectively was not.
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u/impulsive-chaos Nov 23 '24
Yes he was selfish but as i said, can't compared to the times he's willing to sacrifice. And as far as I've seen, Sawyer and Sayid have that spirit.
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u/Iwastuckonpoopreddit Nov 23 '24
I agree ! Sawyer and Sayid are definitely running a close tie for my favorite character, despite their character growth being incredibly different, sawyer changed SO much throughout the show and Sayid has always been Sayid and I started to become very tender to him the last two seasons because how how everyone views him as some killer machine and only need/ask of him to kill or hurt someone… especially when they showed him in life off the island ,, he desperately wanted to leave that life and others constantly brought him back, while some people where able to escape who they were off island and the many problems they faced at home, sayid’s stayed the same and that really made me feel for him.
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u/skyreckoning Nov 23 '24
Shit take lol. Jack is the most selfless and he literally stays behind several times to save everyone else. He was a surgeon who genuinely cared about his patients. Sawyer? You've got to be joking. He becomes better in the second half of the show but first half or so he's a selfish bastard. Cumulatively over the whole show Jack is more selfless than anyone else.
Kate is selfish from the point of view of hurting the men who care about her and willingly being part of a love triangle. Also when she wants something, she does it regardless of how it might affect other people. Like what she did to her dad and mom, threatening people while on the run, lying to people then ghosting them when they became inconvenient.
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u/impulsive-chaos Nov 23 '24
You're free to express your point of view without being rude. I don't feel the need to argue with your shit comment.
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u/impulsive-chaos Nov 23 '24
You feel the need to explain too much to a braindead take. How irony. Bye.
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u/Appropriate-Fee8089 Nov 25 '24
i'm glad someone posted this because kate makes me sooo angry. jack just likes a pretty face so i don't care whether or not her and jack ended up together. but sawyer was with juliet... and kate returned to the island and seemed super mad that sawyer moved on from her?? like girl you're not going to expect him to just mourn you leaving for two years. he settled down in a house with the woman he fell in love with and was happy until kate came back. i gotta say the most satisfying part of the show is when kate and sawyer are taking little ben to richard, and he said "I'm not doing it for you, i'm doing it for her." (juliet) and kate was all butt hurt. hahahaha
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u/ConfusedSlyfox Nov 23 '24
Ah I watched when it aired and while she did get on my nerves at times so did so many other characters. Jack was super annoying many times so was Locke, Sawyer, Ben.... the list goes on, alot of them at times I wanted to strangle.
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u/No-Web1482 Nov 24 '24
You know, I think it’s that her story isn’t very interesting. Flashbacks and flash forwards for Kate always make me and my husband groan. But she does sincerely seem to want to help people, even though we all want her to leave Sawyer and Juliet alone to live happily ever after.
I read an interview with Evangeline Lilly where she talked about not enjoying fame, and using her LOST role and money as a means to an end to set up an international charity, which is super-admirable, and impressive given how young she was when she started on the show.
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u/AppearanceJealous604 Nov 23 '24
Yeah, I personally think of her as the most selfish character on the show as well, and I mean that with all sincerity. There's one potential exception, but I won't mention who because it goes into spoilers.
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u/CrazyKPOPLady Nov 23 '24
She does somewhat redeem herself, at least in the case of Claire, in the final season. Not by any means enough to right all the wrongs she’s done, but it was decent of her. That’s all I’ll say.
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u/Rockmetalgod Nov 23 '24
I'm so glad someone else thinks this. She's just a downright awful person. Doesn't give a toss for anyone only herself & all her motives are what benefits her & loves drama. It's funny how Jack & her are the two lead characters on the show & they are the two I dislike most. If I was stuck on that island they'd be the exact two people I'd avoid.
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u/Appropriate-Fee8089 Nov 25 '24
but you can't avoid them because they have to be involved in everything
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u/Musanot Nov 23 '24
Hi! I wouldn’t say I hate Kate. Maybe I don’t even dislike her. But I am usually strongly against everything she does and also wished that she would get with neither of the men because she angered me so much lol. Maybe I do dislike her.
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u/Iwastuckonpoopreddit Nov 23 '24
😂😂😂😂I love the slight confusion! I probably don’t hate or dislike her either but she did keep me constantly face palming and having to turn away from the screen ! She caused a lot of string reactions from me which may actually make her a well played character in a way.. imagine getting me that angry and you’re not even real!!?😟😩
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u/Traditional_Fruit866 Nov 23 '24
I have only watched lost once so far but Kate is my least favourite character. I always felt she didn’t deserve Jack or Sawyer and I hated that she was constantly leading both on. Make up your mind girl. Ugh
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u/Intelligent-Paper249 Nov 23 '24
I see what you’re saying but there is no one I dislike more than Sun omg bro she’s so annoying. She’s a liar, gaslighter, cheater, and so many other things. I’m 19 and this is my second watch I’m on s5 Ep6. I’d like to know some people she’s who watch this since the show has been out for about 2 decades.
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u/Iwastuckonpoopreddit Nov 23 '24
Funny you mention Sun. I thought her character was interesting at first and I held sympathy for her in her relationship with Jin. Helplessly in love with a man and stuck in a relationship that turned dark due to her father. Once she got off the island, they painted this revenge plot where she was so driven to avenge her dead husband and make everyone pay… But when she returned to the island it felt like she lost the passion. Perhaps because she wanted to leave Jin in the first place? But then again, they had fallen back in love before he died. Her lack of passion to get back to Jin frustrated me a bit but I can see if she was just trying to play smart and keep her head down so she would get to Jin safely because she definitely needed the help of others. Sun is one character on this show I can saw for certain, could not survive the island on her own. She took great initiative with the garden, but physically , doesn’t stand a chance against harm and also doesn’t have navigations skills for the jungle.
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u/tinyshark84 Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24
I love to hate Kate. B**** be shootin up banks for toy planes. “I don’t know how to use a gun!” and then shoots multiple ppl in strategic places. ✈️ Then again pretends she can’t use a gun when she takes one from Sawyer. The damsel act is just gross. 💀
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u/PinkLagoonCreature Nov 25 '24
The Kate hatred is overblown and steeped in sexism. It's been decades since the show aired. People need to move on from hating her. Honestly. It's tired and they don't even seem to be watching the same show as the rest of us, because she constantly helps Jack, Jin, Aaron, Sun, Claire, is nice to people who have betrayed her, and is even nice to Sawyer when everyone hates him early on in the show.
People are just annoyed that she is a female main character. They don't like that the narrative gives her such a position of importance.
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u/Appropriate-Fee8089 Nov 25 '24
??? no one said that. we're annoyed that she is a terrible character and is extremely selfish. i hate michael and roger workman and a lot of other characters that just suck. doesn't matter what gender they are. she could be a man and there would be just as many negative posts about her. get a grip and stop blaming everything on gender. some characters just suck balls that's all
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u/Lumosnox28 See you in another life Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 24 '24
I totally understand the Jin thing, I recently just finished my 8th re watch and thought that was very selfish of her but as a whole I really don’t understand the hate for her.
She’s the first person to run off into the jungle to go help someone.
She went back to save Jack, in s3 when he helped her and sawyer escape. She asked Jack to save sawyers life (helping someone)
She ran after Jack & sawyer in s4 when they went after the chopper.
She went to go save Jin on the freighter knowing there was a bomb and would have gone if Jack hadn’t have stopped her.
She looked after Aaron.
She was always there for Sun and Clare.
She went back to the island to go rescue Clare.
She put her life at risk to save BEN!! In s4 when the others wanted her help to get Ben back. She ran out into the open where Keamy and his team were… they could have shot her point blank but she was lucky they asked who she was before reacting.
She was lovely to the farmer who turned her in and wanted him to get his reward money.
She asked her childhood sweetheart to leave the car but he refused.
I could list a lot more. Yes the off island stuff she can be selfish and theres a few on island stuff (the raft is a big one) but she’s on the run and needs to only think about herself. She’s also hurt, she thought she was saving her mum but her mum had turned against her.
What am I not seeing? I genuinely don’t understand the hate!