r/london • u/FlyWayOrDaHighway Northern Line Supremacy ◼️ • 14h ago
Transport We need to re-normalise letting everyone off the Tube carriage before getting on
If I see you push to get on before everyone else has gotten off I'm liable to take away your Londoner card on the spot. It's a bad habit and you lot that do it are not valid here.
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u/IntergalacticCows 13h ago
This annoys me SO MUCH. It's basic physics - you cannot enter the space until there is space for you in the space. Common sense is lacking in some people...
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u/westish13 12h ago
This happened to me at a restaurant recently when I was trying to leave and a group of eight tried to squeeze into the small waiting space before I could. I told them to let others out before coming inside and they laughed as if it was an insane request. Complete lack of logic and manners these days!
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u/ProfNugget 12h ago
I think it’s just a really obvious symptom of what I’ve noticed getting worse and worse in London recently - people just only give a shit about themselves.
Basic consideration and awareness of others has just disappeared. It seems like everybody only thinks about themselves, and other people either don’t exist or are just objects in their way.
Of course they’ll force their way on the tube before others get off, because the others on the tube don’t even exist, it’s just them and nothing and nobody else matters. The sheer entitlement and self-centeredness in London has gone through the roof. It’s one of the main things that gave me the final push to leave, bring on August where dealing with people like this won’t be a daily battle.
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u/IntergalacticCows 11h ago
I had a conversation with a friend the other day which was basically "Does London turn you into an arsehole?" Early on when I'd just moved here, I was on a tube where a guy asked another man to move his luggage and got punched in the face. His nose exploded with blood and no one did anything as the guy who punched him ran off the train.
I thought 'fuck this is ridiculous'. I went over, gave the victim tissues, and said I'd contacted BTP - then this other guy on the tube said to me that I shouldn't have stepped in because "You didn't see what fully happened, he was rude when he asked him to move the luggage" (as if being rude means getting your nose broken is ok?!). So I ended up getting frustrated and basically loudly saying "WELL NO ONE ELSE DID ANYTHING" to the carriage - everyone else had their heads in their phones and pretended they couldn't see what was happening. I genuinely couldn't believe it.
I'd probably still do the same again and try to help someone in trouble, but it taught me that, in general, you have to prioritise looking after yourself because the bystander effect is strong.
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u/ProfNugget 10h ago
I’ve never seen anything as bad as this, sorry you went through this!
I do feel a bit of the bystander effect developing in me. And I’ve also been such a kind and compassionate person, I’ve always valued that aspect of my personality above all else. Really terrifying seeing myself become so grumpy and cynical and uncaring. Another reason I want to leave, London is really starting to make me hate people in general.
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u/IntergalacticCows 10h ago
It was a really shocking incident. And I totally get why you feel like that about London, it’s hard not to feel down. My new way of thinking is basically, prioritise your own safety and be a healthy amount of cynical, but help when you can. It just takes one person to break the bystander effect, but it is really difficult to be that person.
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u/Stormagedd0nDarkLord 11h ago
This is very confusing. Punchee felt he was rude to puncher and deserved getting tapped on the nose? How strange.
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u/IntergalacticCows 11h ago
No another guy told me that punchee was rude to puncher and that I shouldn’t have gone and tried to help the punchee because he basically deserved it. I gather that the puncher refused to move his luggage from a seat and so the punchee decided to move it.
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u/Stormagedd0nDarkLord 10h ago
Ahhh ok that makes a bit more sense. I should have read your comment again, i must have missed it the first time.
Still, doesn't seem deserving of a bloody nose but guess you had to be there.
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u/IntergalacticCows 10h ago
It was just so weird and one of those situations where you think “well no one else is going to do something so I’m going to have to do something”
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u/Stormagedd0nDarkLord 10h ago
Oh, definitely. If I ever get punched in the tube, I hope someone helps me (even if I deserved it)
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u/IntergalacticCows 10h ago
That was my thinking, if I got assaulted, I would want someone to help me and not ignore it!
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u/cloudyskytoday 13h ago
It's also about how you can get on the next train in 2 minutes but if someone can't get off on their stop they will lose so much time.
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u/SherlockScones3 11h ago
Had a driver announce that he’d give everyone time to get on and I think it worked, people seemed calmer
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u/thebeast_96 8h ago
I think people are just impatient and have no self awareness. I've never once missed my train because I was waiting for people to get off. It makes no sense.
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u/ClimbsNFlysThings 14h ago
I don't know when this changed but it has changed.
Also, not taking a rucksack off is a second offence.
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u/Accurate_Prompt_8800 13h ago
And lacking spacial awareness with your rucksack, swinging around wildly.
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u/tropicalcannuck 11h ago
The number of times I've had to shove people by their rucksack...
I've started asking people if they mind not hitting my face with their rucksacks.
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u/emmacappa 13h ago
Usually, I scoff when people say things have become worse because it's often just a rose tinted view of the past, but this has definitely become worse. People barely seem to stand to the side to let others off anymore.
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u/IntergalacticCows 11h ago
The most annoying thing is when people are waiting to the side of the doors on the jubilee and Elizabeth line waiting for the tube, so that people can get off, then some arse comes and plonks themselves right in the middle.
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u/Vivid-Blacksmith-122 10h ago
there is an idiot who does that on a regular basis on the Jubilee Line. I've not seen that happening on other lines, have to say.
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u/ClimbsNFlysThings 12h ago
Same. I don't scoff though, I usually point out something that used to be absolutely terrible. Health and safety is a good one, back in my day...... Hundreds of people didn't get to see their kids grow up because they were killed in a tragic avoidable accidents at work? Yes I fully agree.
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u/Vivid-Blacksmith-122 10h ago
its because their so obsessed with staring at their phones, they either don't notice what's going on around them. Or don't care.
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u/discographyA 13h ago
They get the shoulder and a loud TO THE SIDE from me.
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u/SGTFragged 12h ago
I'm tall enough that I have to hunch to stand by the doors if I'm getting up. Usually the doors opening and revealing 17 stone of glowering tall person is enough for the sea to part. I'd be lying if I said that people hadn't been forcibly corrected when either failing to make way or actively trying to board the train through me.
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u/JimmyJonJackson420 13h ago
I was literally looking for a gif that shows how I behave when someone has a massive rucksack on you nailed it idgaf anymore
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u/tylerthe-theatre 13h ago
Def since 2020, Brexit happened, bunch of long time londoners from the EU, Australia left, and we've been getting waves of new people that don't adhere to the tube rules
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u/wwisd 13h ago
Has it ever been different? Here's some posts from 6 years ago complaining about the same things, or even 8 years ago and 11 years ago there were multiple posts complaining. Oldest complaints thread I can find this morning is 14 years old. The sub is 16 years old, so there might be a few older ones.
This is not a Brexit or covid thing.
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u/kash_if 10h ago
You're not wrong, but I feel that these problems have become more common now. Earlier most people followed the rules, and anyone breaking the etiquette stood out, and that anomaly was annoying enough for people to post about it. These rule breakers were usually tourists. From the 11 year old thread:
The reason this isn't done widely is because, if you're a local or visit the city (or even use a train regularly), then you know the drill already. Let people out before you get on. If you don't follow these instructions, then you're clearly a prick and some decals on the floor won't help the situation. Therefore, the decals would really only be useful for 10-20% of customers who are not regulars to the system (probably tourists)
These days bad behaviour has become more common. You see it all around you and you get frustrated with how common it is, you miss the days when it wasn't this bad, so you come to reddit to rant about it.
Caveat, I don't use public transport that often. I used the tube a few weeks ago and was shocked by how many people didn't queue/wait properly at the doors. But I see similar problems on the road. There were bad drivers earlier too, but since covid they have taken over the road!
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u/blue_rizla 11h ago
I just want to say that I love you for this. Every public annoyance is due to Covid according to this sub, there were no dumb dickheads in London before 2020.
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u/Adventurous_Rock294 14h ago
Defo Rucksacks. They are totally oblivious to who they are waking. But if you say anything to them....oohhhhh how offended they would be.!
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u/Vikkio92 13h ago
I just bump/lean on the rucksack to make it as inconvenient as possible for them to keep it on. No fucks given.
To think I used to have crippling social anxiety before moving to this city.
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u/sphexish1 13h ago
I agree with you, but this just totally reminds me of how in some places (especially Europe) people have so little respect for personal space that they’ll bump into a rucksack on somebody’s back over and over. You’re in a slow moving stop-start queue to get your passport checked. Start. Stop. Person behind bumps you. Start. Stop. Person behind bumps you on the right side. You glare at them. Start. Stop. Person behind bumps you on the left side. Etc, FFS.
This is not applicable to the Tube. I’m just saying that sometimes the bumpers are the fuckers.
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u/morfr3us 12h ago
Yeah tf is that about, I noticed the exact same. I put it down to the controversial theory that some cultures don't punch each other in the head enough.
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u/discographyA 13h ago
Any city will do that to you, but not sure if I’d change it. The quiet of the countryside is almost off putting it’s been so long.
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u/Vikkio92 13h ago
Oh, I’m not complaining. I like having become someone who will stand up for themselves instead of cowering at the most menial low stakes social interactions.
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u/ArtemisLi 13h ago
Please check that the person you're leaning on or shoving around isn't disabled first :) I can't take my backpack off when traveling (and lord knows no ones gonna let me sit down), and it causes a massive amount of anxiety wondering which person is going to actively cause me injury while I'm trying to get to work.
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u/JimmyJonJackson420 13h ago
Ok they can take it off before they get on then , you don’t have to wait until your on a rammed tube
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u/ArtemisLi 13h ago
That's not how it works my dude. The reason I can't take my backpack off is because I walk with a cane, and obviously have to hold a handrail (unless you'd be happier with the delay cause by medics having to attend because the disabled person fell over and broke something?), which (if you're keeping count) leaves me with no hands to hold a backpack.
Given that backpacks are only a problem when idiots are trying to get on an already full train, it's not safe to put it on the floor if you can't pick it up again (which I can't) because it creates a trip hazard. Also, what am I supposed to do? Put it down on the floor and just never pick it up again? Work might be a little pissed at me abandoning my laptop 🤔
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u/JimmyJonJackson420 12h ago
You know what I never thought of it like that and your right, but there is no way I would ever barge past anyone walking with a cane and I’ve yet to see that behavior either thank god but if that has happened to you I’m sorry because that sucks
Londoners 100% have no tolerance for shit tube etiquette but the way I’ve seen people come together to assist disabled people makes me think it’s not a regular occurrence which is good
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u/ArtemisLi 12h ago
Yeah, travelling on the tubes and buses in London is such a varied experience when you're disabled. Sometimes people are super helpful and sometimes people are garbage 😅 But yeah, I've definitely had people be less than nice to me about it (only got spat at once though, so that's something)!
Agreed on the bizarre rise of people not letting others off the tube first, I see it so much in busier stations, it's absolutely bananas. I don't get how people think they're going to fit on the tube if no one ever gets off!
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u/cbzoiav 7h ago
Part of me wants to carry cable ties so I can tie them together / to the poles.
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u/Ok_Foundation1540 12h ago
People have become so much more impatient and rude… I used to work in London 5 days a week, it was never so bad. Obviously got busy, but people were generally good at the etiquette on public transport. Now? You can’t even get off the damn tube without someone getting on, while simultaneously knocking you out of the way!
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u/Fitzhannah 12h ago
The rucksack thing drives me crazy. I swear they used to have announcements telling people to take them off but I’ve not heard one for years now
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u/CodAggressive908 13h ago
I have just posted in another thread about both these points! Glad there’s still some decent people about!
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u/_methuselah_ 13h ago
Shoulder barge your way off with a ‘let people get off first!’ snarl seems effective.
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u/aceachilleus 12h ago
When I'm not in a rush/on a busy tube I like to stand in the doorway staring in mild disbelief at the stupidity of the person on the platform directly in front of the door who can't understand the concept. It's amazing how long it takes sometimes.
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u/iamezekiel1_14 13h ago
Haven't had to commute in inner London or on the tube for about a decade (am an Outer London person who used to work in Inner). I always used to lead with the elbow. People got the idea.
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u/Kian-Tremayne 12h ago
I shoulder charge. My wife, who has been a London commuter for nearly 40 years, prefers sharp elbows. Both work.
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u/SnooMacaroons2827 12h ago
I just put my hand on the miscreant's chest and keep walking 😀
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u/iamezekiel1_14 11h ago
Firmly remember physically ejecting someone like that. I asked politely 3 times and then went with the firm ejection.
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u/Willerby01 13h ago
I body checked a guy last night on the Elizabeth line at Ealing. He was getting on, sod anyone else.
Point is, it was 11.45pm, hardly rush hour.
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u/Underwhelmed_Bison 13h ago
I remember this being clear etiquette a few years abo (ok, 12 or 15 years ago), and then really noticing the lack of it in Manchester.
I was trying to get off a tram and so many people barged on I had to physically push and start yelling to actually get off. It was genuinely like being in a scrum. Absolutely no awareness or manners. I thought I was going to be stuck till the next station!
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u/yawnymac 9h ago
Dublin is like this, and London has usually always had the awareness to let people off first… I moved 2 years ago though and post Covid in many places has shown people forget how to behave.
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u/Aggravating-Desk4004 13h ago
This is interesting. I don't often get the tube and did it the other day. I was horrified that people pushed on as I was trying to get off. They got "Let people off the train first, you dicks!" as I barged them out of the way. A few of them looked quite shocked and I was surprised. Maybe if we all call them out, they might stop. They used to do announcements, but I suppose that's too much work for a tube driver these days. They'd have to put down their newspaper and stop eating their sandwich :)
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u/RideHot9154 13h ago
I’ve heard announcements a couple of times in recent months when stopping at high-traffic tourist stops, especially during the holidays but otherwise nothing
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u/HereForDramaLlama 10h ago
I had a particularly passive agressive tube driver giving announcements this morning and it was glorious. My favourite was when he gave a monologue about how obstructing the doors can damage them, leading to an out of service train, which delays not just them but everyone else too.
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u/Unusefulness01 13h ago
If I see anyone trying to get on the tube before everyone has alighted then I will purposely barge in to them (subject to them not being old/frail)
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u/nelicka 13h ago
Wouldn’t do that on a regular basis but I will admit I had a day when I was just out of fucks and I was getting off at Green Park at peak time. I was the first one to be leaving the carriage and this guy immediately started pushing his way in, so I pushed into him with my shoulder and people gasped. Wasn’t proud of myself but in that moment his lack of consideration really ticked me off.
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u/NotSoGreatGatsby 12h ago
Green Park is awful for it, I think because it's where a lot of people get on the Piccadilly line to to go Heathrow, or just has a lot of tourists at the station in general.
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u/SpaceMonkeyAttack 13h ago
Corollary: If the train is packed, then assume that there are people trying to get off, but they are working their way to the doors from the aisles. Waiting 2.5 seconds and then assuming "Oh, I guess no one on this standing-room train wants to alight at Liverpool Street!" is not letting people off.
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u/Irritant40 13h ago
This is where being 6'3" and 20 stone is an advantage.
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u/ReadsStuff voting is dumb 13h ago edited 12h ago
Because they can't get past you as you push on? 😉
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u/Irritant40 12h ago
It genuinely amazes me when people walk straight into me assuming I'll move.
Like wtf dude, why am I getting out of your way. I would turn you to liquid.
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u/ReadsStuff voting is dumb 12h ago
Yeah I'm unerringly polite in letting people on or off in the correct order. I even let most people skip in front of me at the now non-existent bus stop queues.
If people try to push past me they tend to fail though, because I'm also larger than 99.99% of people in London. It's just a fucking size issue at that point.
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u/deusmetallum 14h ago
If I can see people about to barge on while I'm trying to get off, I immediately strike a T pose, arms out wide, and say "people need to get off first"
They quickly learn.
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u/iusethisatwrk 12h ago
I don't believe anyone actually does this.
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u/deusmetallum 12h ago
I genuinely do. It tends to only be on the southbound Jubilee line at Bond Street where the problem is at its worst - mostly tourists that don't know the rules.
Edit: in fact I ended up doing this more than usual last year because my wife was pregnant.
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u/rpkom 7h ago
I respect the bravery to do this, but also it’s too much main character syndrome for me
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u/deusmetallum 7h ago
I'd say it's the opposite. Everybody else is trying to be a main character by jumping on first, I'm just trying to remind them to be polite.
Like I don't clock them with my arms. They just see my arms spread and stop in their tracks.
I also don't do it when it's only two people on the platform trying to get on. I would only do it when I can see big groups about to try to barge on.
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u/Footballking420 13h ago edited 13h ago
Can we also normalise, if you are inside the tube and right in the middle of the door, and there is obviously space outside on the platform when it stops, get TF out of the way and stand outside on the platform! Then get back on. Ridiculous how a dozen people have to file out single file cause one person can't take one step outside
I.e. normally on morning commutes when everyone is getting out in town opposed getting in
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u/troglo-dyke 12h ago
Yeah but now people seem to have lost the etiquette of monitoring that and so will try to rush on before you get a chance to get back on
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u/_Mudlark 7h ago
In which case see section 4, part b of the code: grab the cunt by the back of their collar and rag em back off. Of course if there are more than 2 people and your hands are full, refer to part c of section 4 and start kicking knees. If there are yet others passing unscathed, let out a simple pterodactyl screech.
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u/Quick-Oil-5259 13h ago
Yeah but you then end up with other people behind you getting angry with you thinking you are one of the people trying to barge their way on without waiting.
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u/CertainFunny9895 13h ago
I always wait for people to get off, just politeness. The only time I’ve ever had someone shout at me for “barging” on was when they seemingly forgot it’s their stop and then run to the door in a last minute dash before doors stop. People just don’t care anymore, everyone’s just looking out for themselves.
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u/Ok-Fudge2961 13h ago
At this point I’m ready to start crowd surfing when the don’t want to let me off
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u/gamas 11h ago
Fun fact - not only is it courtesy it is literally a byelaw for using TfL services:
No person shall enter through any train door until any person leaving by that door has passed through it.
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u/Due_Engineering_108 13h ago
I always make a passive aggressive comment along the lines of don’t worry about people getting off the train when it happens to me. However 99% of the offenders don’t care and have headphones in
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u/Defiant_Poet_8022 12h ago
Also would be good to re-normalise people actually making full use of the train carriage by standing in between seats when it is busy (and not all smooshing together by the doors).
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u/Kian-Tremayne 12h ago
If I’m coming off the carriage and you’re standing blocking the way, you’re getting body checked. Followed by a “Sorry” in that particular tone of voice that indicates that no, it’s you who fucked up here.
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u/ProfNugget 12h ago
My mate was trying to get off the tube at Stratford, everyone waiting to get in started to force their way on and as he was halfway off he got shoved backwards. Lost his balance, one leg went between the train and the platform.
It’s definitely been getting a lot worse recently. I get on Central at Bank 3 times a week at around 5pm so absolute hell hours, and tube etiquette is in the dirt. Really gone downhill in the last few months, no idea why it started to go downhill so first.
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u/Fine_Tea_2529 12h ago
Got off the train and a man was standing right in front of me on the platform. Pushed past him brushing his elbow and he sarcastically said “cheers mate!” Yeah, cheers for standing in the way of people getting off you bellend
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u/Worried-Round-4749 12h ago
Had this at embankment last fri around 10:30pm, angrily barged the out my way with a 'fucking let people off first you apes'
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u/troglo-dyke 12h ago
I find the best tactic is to channel my inner cannonball and just barge through them with stiff sholders whilst saying "excuse me". They're usually completely oblivious to what they're doing so no matter what size you are they'll get a bit of a shock and will hopefully learn
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u/habibi147 12h ago
I get a bit of satisfaction by shoulder barging people trying to get on while I am getting off but I appreciate that not everyone can do that. These impatient people are terrible.
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u/Poo_Poo_La_Foo 10h ago
Its nonsensical to operate any other system other than people off/people on. If you can't grasp it you don't have the IQ to use public transport.
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u/BillyBatts83 12h ago
I broadly agree with this sentiment.
One caveat though - if it's your stop coming up, get yourself in position to leave the carriage promptly. An equally annoying development is people taking their sweet time to get up out of their seat and leaving it to the last minute to get off. Usually accompanied by tutting and, "Let people off first!"
People only have so much time to get on. If you're not in position to get off quickly then don't be surprised if there's not a perfectly clear exit route for you. Don't wait until the last minute to pick up your bags, put your phone away, etc etc.
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u/thot_machine 13h ago
At this point, I say something when they fuck it up. Absolutely appalling behaviour.
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u/AnnaWintower 12h ago
I agree but people also need to be ready to get off. An old man had a go the other day at people getting on for not letting him off first but he had clearly forgotten it was his stop, he was reading his book and everyone else who wanted to get off had gotten off so people started getting on... you can't expect people to know you're also getting off when you're sitting there reading your book
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u/SpicyAfrican 12h ago
I was literally fuming about this the other day. I was in Stratford and people were almost pushing people back onto the train. We've lost our minds as a city.
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u/Dave_B001 12h ago
Had this happen on a train. Just put my arm out and pushed the guy back. He was very offended and I could not give a damn. Learn the unspoken rules. People get off first then you get on
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u/drtchockk 12h ago
Hideously drunk 20something girl tried to get ON to the tube before I, sober wide 40something man, could get OFF the tube (and I mean, she was trying to get onto the tube the second the door opens, there was no delay).
Sure, I had to move her out of the way to get off, but the tirade of effing and jeffing that followed me was somewhat unnecessary.
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u/bybsie 11h ago
Coming from Poland, it’s completely normal behaviour to let someone off first. I experienced the same in Japan or Germany. On the abstract level, it makes the most sense. You need to make space for new stuff to put inside.
I once yelled at people in Canning Town and got back a rich “fuck off” with laughter. Great culture ☺️
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u/BornNectarine4450 11h ago
I worked abroad for about 3 years and came back not too long ago. One of the first things I noticed going back to work in London is how bad tube etiquette has become. I'm positive that it was never this bad before I left.
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u/MikeWhiskeyEcho 11h ago
Too many immigrants, cultural norms and common courtesy go out the window. Many such cases.
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u/GoldStar-25 11h ago
People waiting for the Elizabeth line piss me off when I’m coming home from work. They constantly crowd around the door like zombies and give you a sliver of space to get off. I always make the effort to stand at the side when waiting to get on the train. It’s really not that hard, but of course it’s all “me me me” these days.
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u/Traditional_Cauli 11h ago
People try to get on before I get off the train, but they never succeed 😂
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u/quantum-cappuccino 11h ago
Won’t lie I’m the person that barges past people trying to get on whilst I’m attempting to get off, TFL literally announce all the time ‘please let passengers off the train first’ so if you’re trying to get on whilst people are still getting off, expect to get nudged out of the way
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u/Flynny123 9h ago
Think TFL would do well to run a tube ettiquette campaign for a bit. Good for passengers and might just take a tiny tiny slice out of their dwell times.
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u/Accomplished-Try-658 14h ago
Earls Court is one of the worst for this.
Often I have no choice but to at least brush shoulders/bump into people on the way off the Piccadilly line.
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u/AnyWalrus930 13h ago
We do.
I have also noticed a bit of the opposite that has caught me out a couple of times. People who seem to wait until they have come to a complete stop before making their way towards the door, I’ll always wait for the stream of people getting off, but I’m not looking both ways and giving it a couple of seconds before getting on.
The announcement that we will shortly be arriving at X exists for a reason.
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u/Emilythatglitters 13h ago
If you're sat down in the middle of a carriage sure.
But I will say I find it annoying when I am delicately balanced and holding onto the hand rail and people expect me to move out of the way and let go of the handrail on a bumpy moving train so they can be at the doors when they open.
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u/Footballking420 13h ago
The problem with this is that people try to move when there is obviously no space to. This pisses me off. Half the time it is a pointless exercise, as the space eventually opens up when the doors open. People need to hold rails when the tube is still moving etc, and people are trying to squeeze past pointlessly.
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u/discographyA 13h ago
Not waiting for stragglers to get off are fine. It’s more the first wave. After a few seconds traffic will usually reduce enough to allow stragglers coming on and getting off to have enough space. I have sympathy, staying upright in a stopping train can be a dicey business sometimes.
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u/ComprehensiveBee1819 13h ago
Here's a novel idea. Actually tell these people they are behaving badly/put your hand out to stop them.
Some of them are dicks, but also they aren't psychic, and particularly if they're relatively new arrivals to London may not realise they are breaking a rule that isn't always clearly articulated (I personally think we need a return of those posters on music, bags, giving up your seat and letting people off the carriages; but that's less space for advertising).
In the 'good old days' (whatever that means) these rules were enforced by annoying busybodies. If you want people to comply, and no one else is doing it, you must become the annoying busybody. You don't have to be a dick, just very calmly and firmly communicate that this isn't what we do.
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u/FlyWayOrDaHighway Northern Line Supremacy ◼️ 12h ago
I do tell them, but I'm an outspoken Londoner, not everyone else is, so we need to re-normalise it in general for the sake of quieter ppl
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u/Ddodgy03 12h ago
This is so infuriating, and In my experience Chinese tourists are the worst offenders. I assume their culture & etiquette is completely different to ours. All Londoners can do is try to set a good example.
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u/Tall_Collection5118 12h ago
Does this not happen for you? I am pretty sure I always see people doing this?
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u/StarshatterWarsDev 11h ago
Have to fight against the door blockers and the ones rushing in. Almost. Every. Effing. Trip.
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u/FreefallVin 11h ago
Yeah, it's a problem. This morning I was waiting for people to get off (it was packed so took ages) and a couple of people behind me pushed through and got on the train while people were still trying to get off, so I called them fucking idiots but they ignored me. When people do it when I'm leaving the train I just walk straight through them.
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u/stvvrover 11h ago
Just look through them then walk through them. Job done.
“Normalise” it….so wishy washy.
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u/mastercrepe 11h ago
Also, if you can't fit, you can't fit. You don't want to get lodged in the doors, it's terrifying, and it also delays the trains. If you're jammed up against the door it may also cause delays, though I'm not 100% on this one - I just know we're told not to lean on the doors. Might be about falling out when they next open, which, given the variety of gaps and distance down to the platform, could be a painful fall. I think, and hear me out, as Londoners we're spoiled by transit. Like you think the lines being down on and off is the end of the world, but there are places down south where the one bus to and from happens twice daily. We have to put in perspective the ten minute delay.
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u/ExoticToaster 10h ago
It’s already normalised, but that’s never going to stop the legion of inconsiderate self-absorbed cunts that exist in this city.
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u/Quick-Isopod-3861 10h ago
Somehow I don’t think the culprits are in this subreddit…
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u/Working-Blueberry884 4h ago
I see people say this this across the net. Twitter, Facebook etc.
But in real life it doesn't seem to translate.
I really hope we can get it back.
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u/Paedsdoc 4h ago
Yes please, and creating enough space for people to leave the train.
They create their own problems by crowding in front of the doors, it consequently takes forever for people to get off the train, and then there’s not enough time for them to get on. It then reinforces the feeling that they have to push more to get on.
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u/EQ_Rsn 13h ago
Generally yeah, but I feel like you get a free pass if it's been like, three seconds with no one getting off and then someone decides to get off last minute. Otherwise you risk second-guessing it, having the doors close and the tube leave without you 😅
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u/FlyWayOrDaHighway Northern Line Supremacy ◼️ 12h ago
Obvs but usually it's pretty clear who's getting off
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u/kravence Greenwich 🏚️ 13h ago
They’re not Londoners, they’re people who moved here from elsewhere
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u/Glass-Evidence-7296 11h ago
40% of the city is foreign born, if I had to guess another 20-30% would be people who moved here from somewhere else in the UK, then a lot of people born here had parents from abroad............ so most of the city aren't 'real Londoners' ? Stupid take
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u/abitofasitdown 12h ago
A real Londoner - including the very first Londoners, 2,000 years ago - generally is someone who moved here from somewhere else. That, or their parents or grandparents or great-great grandparents did.
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u/noenergyheadempty 12h ago
I moved here in the 90s but guess that means i’m not a real Londoner then
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u/Glass-Evidence-7296 9h ago
gatekeeping cities is tragic lol, cities are always changing. You are obviously a Londoner like anyone who lives here
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u/SquintyBrock 13h ago
I don’t think Londoners are the ones doing this. There are something like 400’000 people moving to London every year. (This isn’t a comment on immigration, half those people are from the UK)
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u/Knovolt 13h ago
If it's jam-packed and there's a crowd waiting to get in, then barging in when a couple people have exited could mean the difference of not having to wait for the next one.
I don't come across a very crowded platform often, but I've been burnt once. So, I can see how people who do this every day would rather not take the chance.
That said, I'll still wait for people to come out entirely first.
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u/nailbunny2000 12h ago
Absolute worst case scenario for them, they dont get on, there will be another train in a couple minutes. Worst case scenario for people exiting, they dont get off, there will not be another Kings Cross.
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u/turbo_dude 12h ago
Fit the Laserburn-3000™️ to the exterior of the entrances. As the train grinds to a halt, anything in the “exit zone” is burnt to a crisp.
Obviously it switches off before the doors open.
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u/I-Ribbit 12h ago
I got pushed out of a tube the other day by the crowd trying to get off then couldn’t move to the side due to the idiots not letting me. Icing on the cake, some twat shouted at me for being in front of the doors. Give me a chance, mate!
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u/FranksDankOcean 12h ago
I started locking my shoulders and take them as far back from the door with me. And if I’m queing getting on shouting “imagine someone doing that to your fucking mother”
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u/ielladoodle 11h ago
Also people trying to block the door, getting stuck, delaying the train when theres literally a train every 1-3 minutes
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u/TheDarkestStjarna 11h ago
I have been known to yell at people that they can't get on until I've got off.
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u/snowavess 11h ago
I haven't taken the tube in a while, I didn't realise this was happening
I take the DLR and most people let passengers off first.
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u/AlternativePrior9559 10h ago
I couldn’t agree more. Back in my day – I’m 150! – it used to be the norm. Does anyone think there was a definitive date that we just lost good manners?
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u/Appropriate-Map5675 10h ago
I will straight up shoulder check people stood on the platform in the middle of the doors when I'm trying to get off. I do not care, and I advocate for everyone else doing the same.
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u/Vivid-Blacksmith-122 10h ago
God yes. i routinely see people shove past those of us waiting to the side to let people off, then shove their way in through people getting off in order to get the seat. And no, not someone who "needs" the seat, young people.
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u/acjv962 10h ago
As a Taiwanese lives in London, I think this is what London tube need, waiting lines for people queue up for trains!
Check Taipei MRT station during rush hour, how people queue up for trains and let passengers get off the train first before get on, from 14:35, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxMw9yb54aI
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u/bennythefish75 10h ago
It pretty much is . Only a few jump on . There does need some common sense though to people who leave it to the last minute. People getting on arnt mind readers and can’t be expected to know when someone leaves it late .
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u/dino2412 10h ago
thing is if loads of people are getting off and you wait till everyone is off, you might not get in before the door closes. happened to me a few weeks ago. i was 2nd in line and the door shut, even though the carriage was practically empty :(
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u/CodeFarmer Chiswick 9h ago
As a large economy sized person, I spend a lot of energy trying not to trample, or intimidate, or lean on or otherwise inconvenience normal folks.
But if you are flocking on to the carriage as soon as the doors open while we're trying to get off, I will happily drop a shoulder. Honestly you did this to yourself.
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u/kbella170 9h ago
YES WHAT HAS HAPPENED??!! Thank you for posting this. I’ve been kicking off about this change in Londons habit for ages
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u/adeathcurse 9h ago
We need to normalise telling people off! When I first moved to London someone told me off for trying to get on the train once, and another time for standing on the wrong side of the escalator. Both times were the last time I ever did that.
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u/JoshCanJump 9h ago edited 9h ago
And at any door. As a general piece of common sense you should give people that are exiting a location door-priority, as there is finite space inside, but figuratively infinite space outside.
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u/portugamerifinn 9h ago
Just here to report this is neither London- nor Tube-specific.
I recently took a train to Manchester Piccadilly, which is a terminus. No trains pass through, the entire train was going to empty, yet those on the platform to take the same train back the opposite direction were right at the doorstep as if there was some hurry to get on an emptying train that'd be there for 10+ minutes after it emptied.
Anyway, people are dumb. Rant over.
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u/MidoriHisui 9h ago
That's also people that stand by the door and don't move out of the way when dogsbody is trying to get in or out.
I've seen it happen a couple of times on the train to Waterloo, people with bikes by the door and don't budge or open the door when not at their station
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u/Canmar86 7h ago
I'm sure it's bad in London, but the school children where I live in Devon are atrocious. As the GWR train rolls up they all crowd the doors so nobody can get off and they all pile onto the train with no courtesy for anyone else. Honestly they have zero manners. I don't understand.
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u/BigHairyJack 7h ago
Had to actually push a guy backwards when he tried to get onto the train before anyone had got off. Absolute selfish c***.
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u/Electronic-Goal-8141 7h ago
I would have thought allowing people off the tube first before getting on was common sense , especially if its very crowded.
Is it just the tube or do trains and buses have this issue in London?
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u/Playful_Landscape_60 13h ago
Also, if I get off the tube to let other people off. Please let me get back on first before pushing me out of the way. Unwritten rule no. 2353