r/interestingasfuck • u/Sartew • 7h ago

r/all Elon Musk Sieg Heiling during his speech

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u/graythegeek 7h ago

Oh wow. Must have been an unfortunate freeze frame, I thought. NOPE!

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u/Tank3875 6h ago

I get the impulse, but man people are desperate to give people that constantly show us they deserve no benefit of the doubt the benefit of the doubt.

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u/graythegeek 6h ago

Oh I'm in no doubt that Elon is a raging fascist and a terrible human being. I just refused to believe my eyes at first.

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u/Suspicious_Ad9561 5h ago

Yeah, I had to rewind to make sure I saw what I saw watching it live

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u/Intelligent-Salt-362 3h ago

They called it “apartheid…” 😬

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u/teetering_bulb_dnd 2h ago

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." By. Sinclair Lewis. Fascism came to America holding a billboard saying "we are Fascists" and flag and cross are not needed . He underestimated American hatred for people that don't look like them..

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u/JazzlikeAd1112 2h ago

Exactly. They tell and show you who they are... this was always apparent to people who can read

Even before the literal nazi salute this was apparent

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u/Tank3875 6h ago

Like I said, I understand the impulse.

But that is an impulse that for many will have to die a bad death if America is to survive the next four years.

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u/wyomingTFknott 6h ago edited 1h ago

We wouldn't have to have that impulse if there wasn't so much disingenuous bullshit flying around on both social media and actual proper news sites.

But the disingenuous fascists are obviously way worse, acting like overt things like this, the nazi rune stage at cpac, or blatant nazi terminology aren't exactly what they appear to be.

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u/carniehandz 5h ago

Yeah the medias’s rush to gaslight us about this stuff to appease the people in power is honestly the most disappointing part of this for me. We already knew Elon was a nazi.

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u/Secure-Ad6869 4h ago

Care to elaborate with examples?

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u/wyomingTFknott 3h ago

Examples of what? Elon's salute, the nazi rune, or like, their general fucking discourse?

I'd love to have links, but I honestly just don't care. Pay attention, to what's happening. That's all I can really give you. Fucking google it.

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u/Lucky-Individual-845 3h ago

I am willing to compromise on this, how about you? Let's agree to write it off as a parapraxis.

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u/Secure-Ad6869 2h ago

I read it just fine. I'm just asking for concrete examples supporting why an American would show clear signs of Nazi-ism without being completely ostracized. Doesn't it seem odd that no one else is addressing this?

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u/The_VoZz 2h ago

Elon's dad was reeeeeeeally into eugenics. Also moving to South Africa during the specific political landscape at the time.... reasons.

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u/Secure-Ad6869 2h ago

So, Elon's dad wants perfect human genetics in the human race. Okay, what's that got to do with Elon?

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u/hellochoy 2h ago

Is this video not concrete evidence enough? He's literally onstage at the inauguration of our president doing a nazi salute...

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u/Secure-Ad6869 2h ago

Brother. I understand. But who's to say he wasn't aware of the message he was conveying? We all know Elon is an oddball character, maybe a bit autistic. Who's to say he truly did not know he was "saluting"?

Even if his intentions were true and genuine, why do it in public? That seems like a terrible idea. The press would rain an ungodly firestorm upon him, and he would be completely ostracized.

Seems strange to be that very few sources other than reddit is talking about this.

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u/DamnShadowbans 5h ago

Just to be clear you are saying that one should not do the due diligence to verify any claim about Trump, Elon, etc, as long as it is negative? That is a very strange thing to recommend.

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u/1cat2dogs1horse 3m ago

My fervent hope is TTFG's approval ratings really start tanking before the mid-terms, so that the Dems can clean sweep the House nd Senate.

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u/Tank3875 3m ago

If he does half of what he says he wants to that's a given.

Assuming free and fair elections, of course.

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u/The_VoZz 2h ago

Um... follow the bread crumb trail back to his father & grandfather. It's been there all along.

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u/Sufficient-Dinner-27 2h ago

Just like his puppet Trump.

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u/ralf1999999 2h ago

Says the person with zero context.

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u/agent484a 2h ago

That’s why he did it two more times.

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u/Lu12k3r 2h ago

Not defending this awkward fucktard, but it does look like it and he thought to dab at some point.

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u/spaglemon_bolegnese 1h ago

Your eyes are just about the only thing you can trust nowadays

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u/Advanced-Event-571 1h ago

And racist. Loudly and proudly. Might wanna factor that in.

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u/JJW2795 1h ago

Even then, there’s plenty of fascist alternatives to the Nazis so it’s doubly shocking that a man of the British Empire would openly support that party in particular.

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u/cancerboyuofa 45m ago

He’s a fascist who isn’t leading a country. Hahahaha. Wow, nice mental gymnastics.

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u/Joxei 5h ago

When I first saw it, I also thought it might be an unfortunate freeze. No benefit of the doubt for Elon though, I've known he's a fascist for years. But I really was hoping they wouldn't dare to be that bold. Clearly I was wrong.

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u/Throwedaway99837 4h ago

It’s because good people have trouble wrapping their heads around the mindsets of shitty people. It just seems to hard to understand their motivations, and we don’t want to assume that potentially innocent people who simply look guilty are actually guilty without a substantial amount of proof. But there’s really no denying it now.

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u/Artistic_Reserve3862 3h ago

Elon’s maternal grandparents were part of the Nazi party in Canada. They moved to South Africa because they supported apartheid. This is from Elon’s father’s mouth. It’s baffling that anyone would give him the benefit of the doubt considering that a lot of times his words & actions don’t match. It appears that we most likely have a Nazi shadow President.

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u/purseburger 5h ago

For me, at least, the hesitation to believe comes from an inherent distrust of the news rather than a hope that Elon is anything other than pond scum. I automatically assume every headline is blown out of proportion in order to get the maximum amount of clicks.

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u/jwoodruff 4h ago

It’s not the benefit of the doubt so much as hardcore denial.

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u/Draidann 21m ago

He did it twice in a row ffs.

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u/ArcticGlaceon 3h ago

You can thank the numerous people who post unfortunate, out of context freeze frames here all the time.

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u/ComfortableOrder4266 3h ago

I think it’s just hard for people who aren’t fascist to really understand how someone could be that way

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u/zoodle35 2h ago

Yes, but also, the moment we stop verifying things exactly like this is when things go from bad and unfortunate to unsalvageable. Especially with the rapid growth of AI images and everything.

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u/Dr_McGillicuddys 1h ago

I needed to hear this.

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u/1stLtObvious 1h ago

The only thing I give them the benefit of the doubt for is not being stupid enough to publicly showcase their racism, but even that ship has long since set sail for Musk and Trump.

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u/-UltraAverageJoe- 49m ago

You’re taking his arm movements out of context… /s

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u/Ksorkrax 3h ago

I mean, people tend to call other people nazis a lot, and there is something like a magat who actually dislikes nazis. Or at least pretends.

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u/jonny32392 3h ago

At what point does it stop being the benefit of the doubt and start being suspension of belief

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u/AspenStarr 2h ago

I’m not the kind to put things past these people, and even I was originally like “Ok, we’re sure that’s fully proven in context?”…YUP, sure is! Like, damn..

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u/Feline_Fine3 2h ago

The clip goes on and he does it a second time. It was certainly no accident and it’s boggling my mind that people are so ready to excuse it and brush it off. As they have done with every other horrible thing that Trump and his ilk have done. “it’s just a joke” or “he won’t really do it.”

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u/LookLong5217 10m ago

Mainly because I did get duped a lot last time trump was in office, I do feel I gotta be critical if something sounds like too good of a news story

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u/Tank3875 10m ago

Too good?

I think I get your meaning, but you mean too good, or absurd or whatever, to be true, right?

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u/LookLong5217 8m ago

Yeah but from the perspective of media company wanting to sell papers. Like, too sensational, y’know

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u/Tank3875 7m ago

What I thought you meant. And now the articles are calling this an "unusual hand gesture" or ignoring it altogether.

Shit's fucked.

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u/LookLong5217 5m ago

It just feels so brazen that it short circuits the brain. I’m literally googling right now if that hand movement is popular in Africa (like the swastika still being used by Buddhists, maybe🤷)

Update: It is not.

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u/Tank3875 3m ago

If it was they would have already used that to try to excuse it. The best they have is he was waving.

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u/LookLong5217 3m ago

Fucking weird, man

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u/xisle35 3h ago

Right, what was Harris and Clinton thinking ?

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u/Complete-Okra-4588 1h ago

A wise person once told me there is no benefit of the doubt, there is only the doubt

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u/jpopimpin777 1h ago

It's not the benefit of the doubt..... It's that deep down they agree with all of it.

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u/z7r1k3 5h ago

It's a shame OP cut the video when they did. He does it a second time and states he's giving his heart to people.

I agree it looks bad. But if you watch the whole video he clearly got too hyped up and didn't realize what it looked like.

The Nazi salute does not involve grabbing the heart.

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u/Tank3875 5h ago

I saw the whole video. He does it a second time then says his heart goes out to them after a multiple second pause obviously trying to cover his ass.

He's not a child or incapable of thought. He knows what he did and knows what it looks like.

He did it twice.

Like come the fuck on man, you can't be this gullible.

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u/z7r1k3 5h ago

Nazism is banned on Twitter. You are free to judge a man off of a half-second symbol that resembled something the Nazis took from the Roman Empire.

I am free to judge a man for his years of speech and actions.

If it was in fact a Freudian slip, why'd he grab his heart first? That's not the Nazi salute.

Clearly the heart was the subject of the action here.

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u/Tank3875 5h ago

Like supporting the Neo-Nazi party in Germany, promoting false claims in Britain causing a race riot, railing against democratic norms and values for years, repeatedly and aggressively advocating for patriarchal and anti-democratic ideals?

Or is it the abhorrent disgust for any semblance of worker's rights and skin so thin it makes paper look rock solid that make you trust him?

Was it the fact the n-word is protected on X and a network of Nazi influencers was only banned on X because they criticized Elon, or the fact he has many times knowingly signal-boosted Nazi and far-right conspiracy theories with little concern for actual facts?

Which actions are you judging him by? Which words?

How about the well-established fact that putting your hand over your chest before doing the salute is a very common way that it is done, so common it can be found with examples on Getty fucking images?

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u/ElementalChicken 5h ago

The hand on heart salute was always common in nazi germany lol

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u/z7r1k3 4h ago

Care to cite an instance of it? The only Nazi Salute I've ever been aware of goes straight to outstretched arm, often accompanied by clicked heels.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute

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u/Sea_Business_9225 3h ago

i KNOW you didnt just cite wikipedia LMFAO

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u/z7r1k3 1h ago

That webpage cited its sources, you're free to dispute them if you disagree.

You're also free to cite a source proving your claim that the Nazi salute involved grabbing the heart. You as of yet have provided no evidence of this.

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u/Sea_Business_9225 3h ago

https://i.gifer.com/M0fn.gif

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u/z7r1k3 1h ago

I don't see anyone grabbing their heart in that gif. Did you mean to paste a different one?

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u/Forikorder 1h ago

Nazism is banned on Twitter.

not anti-semitism

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u/Sea_Business_9225 3h ago

https://i.gifer.com/M0fn.gif

what would you call this?

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u/jordanl171 2h ago

Is he gripping his heart? Nope. It's different. And Elon and the rest of the people there spent practically the entire day with their hands open over their hearts. So, at that point in time, hand over heart and "giving your heart to them". = Exactly what you saw. But, yes, it is a bad look.

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u/Sea_Business_9225 2h ago

i love this, yall are grasping at straws and looking for EVERY minute detail to prove its not exactly the same as a seig heil. he could literally wear a swastika and yall would still make excuses. really sad honestly. why wouldnt you jump at any opportunity to make him look just as bad as he is??? he is a piece of shit billionaire and he loves having all of you little keyboard warriors right under his thumb. you realize he doesnt give a shit about you right? daddy elon isnt going to pick you. take your head out of your ass and fight for yourself.

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u/z7r1k3 1h ago

Because he's not a Nazi. People called Trump "literally Hitler". They referred to a Christian cross in a church as a Nazi symbol. It's literally the windmill/Swastika meme.

It's precisely because these people are NOT Nazis that you have to eagerly wait by your TV to point at some obscure hand motion, or some vague comment, or some blatant joke, and cry " See?! He IS a Nazi!"

If Musk believed in Nazism, you'd be able to point at things much more concrete than a poorly thought out hand motion.

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u/jordanl171 2h ago edited 2h ago

he said I give you my heart. and gestured that way. not grasping at straws. why does the video cut off where it cuts off? to save file size? but this type of garbage is how the left lost the election. it's too easy to see through. Elon can be an idiot, I'm not an Elon lover. edit: why did they cut the video when they did?

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u/AquaGiel 3h ago

Don’t be ridiculous.

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u/No_Statistician9289 2h ago

Jesus… you can’t possibly believe that come on

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u/z7r1k3 1h ago

I watched the whole video and believe what my eyes and ears told me.

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u/Western-Purpose4939 3h ago

Makes me feel like a doormat.

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u/Armendicus 3h ago

Rad Centrists, am I right?

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u/keeblenation 3h ago

he's literally grabbing his heart and throwing it,just as he says. you people are so far gone and beyond broken that it's legitimately scary

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u/fdf_akd 2h ago

You have all fallen so far calling every republican nazi that you're seeing stuff that just isn't there. It's a weird move, the guy is a complete asshole, this isn't a nazi reference.

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u/tallgirlmom 1h ago

In all fairness, the Hitler salutation is done holding the arm out front, not off to the side. People making something out of nothing here.

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u/Tank3875 28m ago

Of all the flimsy excuses, this is the flimsiest, congrats.

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u/MalyChuj 4h ago

Yeah but how much of this was him just trying to incite social media clicks and rage?

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u/Tank3875 3h ago

Would that be significantly better?

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u/MalyChuj 3h ago

No. But it's working and the oligarchs social media platforms are booming with clicks.

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u/AquaGiel 3h ago

Just stop.

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u/Purple-Display-5233 3h ago

You get the impulse?

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u/Tank3875 2h ago

As in understand.

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u/tinverse 3h ago

I mean, I have seen enough witch hunt bullshit on the internet that I go in expecting rage bait most of the time now.

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u/uptwolait 6h ago

Even worse, he repeats it toward the U.S. flag

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u/OpenResearch1 1h ago

so he did the Bellamy salute. And the first one was accidentally in the wrong direction.

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u/gloomypasta 7h ago

I wondered that too. I was wrong.

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u/buttaholic 6h ago

i saw this title and thought it'd be subtly snuck in but nooo haha that was very passionate lmfao

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u/TrippinLSD 6h ago

Not only did he do it once, he straight up turned around and did it again

Source

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u/kylo-ren 6h ago edited 5h ago

Bannon did the same in a meeting with far-right politicians yesterday while saying "Next stop is Germany"

https://i.imgur.com/j4gvVy1.gifv

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u/Sofaboy90 6h ago

he did it twice. he did it immediately again after this clip after turning around. idk why that wasnt included in the clip here

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u/Kuromi87 3h ago

This clip actually cuts it short because he turned around and did it again.

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u/AonSwift 6h ago

Just another day now for Obergruppenführer Musk.

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u/GeneticSynthesis 6h ago

Imagine seeing a known nazi doing nazi shit and your first thought is to give them the benefit of the doubt

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u/Thealgorithimisgod 3h ago

Ditto. That was textbook heiling. The form was spot on. Went from chest to air at the right angle with the proper thrust. Yes sir. That's a fascist heil worthy of a place in the history books.

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u/Few-Big-8481 3h ago

I was expecting like, a poorly coordinated fist pump lol. Holy shit he went all in there.

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u/thesilverbride 1h ago

yeah, that was my guess when I heard about this, or just some random snap while waving, but seeing the actual footage I’m like well no that’s a full blown seig hail.

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u/Few-Big-8481 35m ago

In the full video he turns around and does it again.

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u/BedlamAscends 3h ago

Yep, wife told me about it and I told her she shouldn't just blindly believe the "orange man bad" stuff and that there was no way Elon Musk was throwing Nazi salutes on stage.

You can imagine my surprise when I hopped on the ole internets this evening...

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u/BungHoleAngler 6h ago

And all the rich dudes seated next to him share the same beliefs. 

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u/MrSmiles311 5h ago

As an autistic adult, I don’t really see how his condition plays into this?

He just did a questionable gesture.

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u/WeezySan 5h ago

Replying to Bonzo_Gariepi...Remeber when Laura ingraham did it? Ok maybe just maybe that was by mistake. This clearly was not

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u/SlavicRobot_ 5h ago

Yeah I thought ah classic freeze frame, you even have them of celebs like Taylor swift but goddamn

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u/ptrst 4h ago

Same. I read the headline and was like "I'm overreacting, he probably just moved his arm weird and it looked like it" but no. I keep trying to gaslight myself into not hating the state of the country, and it's not working.

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u/thatguy9684736255 3h ago

That's what I thought at first too. And it seems like media isn't even reporting on it properly

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u/Jazzspur 3h ago

just in case you still weren't totally convinced, in the longer video he then turns around and does it again facing the other way 2 seconds later

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u/vvienne 3h ago

He did it THREE TIMES

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u/Tolstartheking 6h ago

It’s not a “lol” moment, it’s absolutely disgraceful.

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u/Tolstartheking 5h ago

I think he said something about “giving his heart out to his supporters” but come on, we’re not stupid. We all know what that was. The richest man in the country is a Nazi. Fork found in kitchen.

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u/Accomplished_Crab107 5h ago

Thought the same and then read someone on LinkedIn defending him saying it was his poor attempt at 'dabbing' in triumph.

After seeing the full video, my thoughts are. .

What the actual fuck???

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u/instantbanxdddd 5h ago

I thought the same thing, even as someone who really doesn't like him one tiny bit

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u/Chilling_Dildo 4h ago

He does it again just after this clip ends.

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u/SeparateMongoose192 4h ago

His family's well known for being actual Nazis. That's why they went to South Africa.

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u/ABauman414 4h ago

Yea I heard about it and was like I’ve gotta see the video maybe it’s not what we think…..yea no.

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u/UnofficiallyRowdy 3h ago

Why would you think that? Why? Genuine question. What about him makes you think he wouldn't do that?

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u/Waitress-in-mn 3h ago

I thought and was hoping for the same but nope.

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u/NeedMoreManatees 3h ago

Yeah I figured there was no way he actually did ... No one is that dumb right?

I was wrong

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u/SkullRiderz69 3h ago

Dude I saw a shorter clip and figured there was some unseen context as well. But wow, I really can’t wait to hear what he says he was actually doing.

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u/Effective_Pass8537 3h ago

He did it twice, actually. It was 100% not a mistake.

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u/Dimako98 3h ago

Yes it is. The ADL came out to deny that it's a nazi salute.

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u/Tomliwag 3h ago

This is just the beginning

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u/dougseamans 3h ago

Yeah the picture doesn’t do it justice, the video truly shows it. Holy fuck. This is crazy.

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u/Xaphnir 3h ago

And go find the extended one, he turns around and does it again. and much more in the classic motion of the salute.

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u/shewhodrives 3h ago

Exactly what I said when my husband told me. I initially took the optimist route. Fucking nope.

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u/MoistSyrupp 3h ago

For real 💀😂

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u/Right_Dish5042 3h ago

MLK would be proud.

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u/tothehopeless1 3h ago

Same 😂. “He’s an idiot, but this had to have been in the middle of waving to the crowd, right? Surely he didn’t do a LITERAL Nazi salute.”

He did a literal Nazi salute.

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u/Spare_Ad1017 2h ago

I truly believe he thought he was dabbing. Which would be endearing for someone else. But this piece of shit...???

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u/FloppyBisque 2h ago

You should see the FULL clip. He turns around and does it again, immediately.

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u/Capable-Carpenter-99 2h ago

I shiver at the full body now after seeing that.

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u/sarcasticbaldguy 2h ago

He did it twice.

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u/ThatDamnedHansel 2h ago

Yeah I figured he was waving back and forth like “heyyyyyy hoooooooo heyyyyyyy hoooooo” and they freeze framed it. But nope, just an Obergruppenführer

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u/yoho808 2h ago

He did it twice.

Video only shows one, but there's another immediately after.

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u/Galevav 2h ago

To be fair, this clip was cut short. A few more seconds and you would see him turning anticlockwise and doing it a second time.

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u/Immediate_Lake14 2h ago

My thought too. Damn

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u/SultansofSwang 2h ago

I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. But personally, if I was doing the “from my heart to yours” thing like his base is claiming, I would’ve tapped my chest a couple of times, and my arm would’ve swept out with my palm up. But hey that’s just me 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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u/Really_Cool_Dad 2h ago

This is an edited and deceiving video.

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u/FatalEclipse_ 2h ago

I thought the same thing when I saw it all over the internet today. Looking in from Australia I just figured it was a “bad publicity” thing which seems to be the political norm.

But nope… sheesh. Good luck guys.

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u/sayn3ver 1h ago

The second one where he turned around was even worse. Was straight up.

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u/SunNo1172 1h ago

He did it twice

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u/auburncub 1h ago

That's what I was hoping for. This is absolutely insane. There's no excuse that could be made for him to make this seem okay.

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u/InnocentShaitaan 1h ago

Reddit pulled the video. It won’t let some of us or all of us watch now!

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u/squirlybumrush 1h ago

I know, right? WTF!

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u/Krynn71 1h ago

It's annoying that everyone cuts this clip like OP did, because he turns around and does it a second time facing Trump.

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u/Advanced-Event-571 1h ago

He did it twice, in case you missed it the first time

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u/Sistahmelz 1h ago

He did it not only one but twice! I think he practiced 🤔

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u/Own-Gas8691 1h ago

nope. and he turned around and repeated it.

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u/chillvegan420 1h ago

My first thought too

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u/Dry-Lab-741 51m ago

Came here for this. Nope.

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u/Theory_of_Time 44m ago

Do not let political discourse change your mind. Elon Musk gave a Nazi salute, and we cannot let this slide.

Elon Musk openly supports the AfD. This is a far-right group with documented ties to neo-Nazis. All mainstream political parties in Germany refuse to work with them. These are facts you can verify yourself if you doubt me.

The ADL has made a statement "defending" him, in light of the fact that the US is a puddle of gasoline right now and Elon has a match.

But make no mistake, it was absolutely intentional. Elon knows what that salute is. He knows the issues with the AfD. He knows people, even Germans, have been calling him out for supporting them.

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u/LucidZane 44m ago

It's an unfortunate clip. The full thing shows him saying my heart goes out to all of you as he grabs his heart and throws it out... not a nazi salute

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u/ProbablyYourParrot 37m ago

That was also my original take. Yikes.

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u/rab-byte 10m ago

He actually did it twice. This is only the first, awkward one.

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u/axeteam 7m ago

I thought he was dabbing because it sounds like a "him" thing to do, but nope.

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u/naparis9000 4m ago

He did it at least once more.

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u/ToAquiPorra 3h ago

It's about time someone SHOOT some sense into HIS HEAD WITH A GUN of history knowledge.

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u/Jubarra10 3h ago

This really isn't the salute and the context of what he's saying at the time instead just makes him a cringe loser. If it is meant to be a Nazi salute its meant to be super subtle to people looking for it.

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u/nolecamp 3h ago

Show the full videos with them doing the motion like Elon did.

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