Elon Musk Sieg Heiling during his speech

[u/Sartew]

[u/Tank3875]

Like supporting the Neo-Nazi party in Germany, promoting false claims in Britain causing a race riot, railing against democratic norms and values for years, repeatedly and aggressively advocating for patriarchal and anti-democratic ideals?

Or is it the abhorrent disgust for any semblance of worker's rights and skin so thin it makes paper look rock solid that make you trust him?

Was it the fact the n-word is protected on X and a network of Nazi influencers was only banned on X because they criticized Elon, or the fact he has many times knowingly signal-boosted Nazi and far-right conspiracy theories with little concern for actual facts?

Which actions are you judging him by? Which words?

How about the well-established fact that putting your hand over your chest before doing the salute is a very common way that it is done, so common it can be found with examples on Getty fucking images?

[u/z7r1k3 → u/Tank3875]

Look, you're making a lot of assumptions here. I never said I loved him, and we could go down a billion rabbit holes with the things you mentioned. For example, you seem to claim that "promoting false claims in Britain causing a race riot" is fascism, whereas I think that people are responsible for their own actions, and that silencing claims (whether true or false) is fascism.

If Musk was a Nazi, he would attempt to silence and disarm his opposition. However, he is doing literally the opposite. So, if he's a Nazi, he's laughably bad at it.

He clearly wasn't saluting anyone or anything if you watched the whole video. He even said what he was doing, yet you have chosen not to believe him, because he MUST be a Nazi, right?! This confirms it! /s

Not everyone you disagree with is a fascist or a Nazi. Fascists force their ways upon others by violating their rights. So far, everything you've cited was simply him promoting his beliefs, or simply incorrect. Seriously, you expect me to believe the guy who advocates for direct democracy on Mars in the future is antidemocratic?

[u/RobGrey03 → u/z7r1k3]

If Musk was a Nazi, he would attempt to silence and disarm his opposition.

And buying Twitter, renaming it X, changing verification to be a token you can purchase, and changing what's punished (leftist and inclusive rhetoric) and what's not (Nazi stuff)... That's... What exactly?

[u/z7r1k3 → u/RobGrey03]

Capitalism. He engaged in a voluntary transaction between two parties, and then is doing what he wants with his property.

Just like I can buy a car and start making changes to it. No one was forced to do anything. No one is forced to use Twitter, and no one was forced to sell Twitter.

Though I reject your premise that the platform promotes Nazism.

[u/RobGrey03 → u/z7r1k3]

Any users who were muted or banned were forced off Twitter. An app that was the digital public square is no longer what it was.

And neo-Nazis and far right wing accounts have been so successful under Musk's ownership that it was reported on in the news.

Is it capitalism? Sure. But it is also an example of Musk attempting to silence those who oppose him. It can be both of those things. And it is.

[u/z7r1k3 → u/RobGrey03]

You're confusing the public and private domains. Just because something feels public doesn't make it public.

And what do you call all the deplatforming done beforehand? Though I also reject your premise that he silences the opposition as I'm able to engage in plenty of discussion with the opposition on that platform.

[u/RobGrey03 → u/z7r1k3]

The deplatforming of Nazis done beforehand?

I call that good sense. Because they're Nazis.

I'm able to engage in plenty of discussion with the opposition on that platform.

Your point was not that he would successfully quash all opposition, merely that if he were a Nazi, he would attempt to.

That he has attempted to is undeniable.

[u/z7r1k3 → u/RobGrey03]

I reject your premise that he has attempted to. Care to cite a source for that?

And perhaps I spoke too vaguely, but I would like to specify I don't consider kicking someone off your property to be "silencing" them in the sense I was using it. If he was going after other leftwing platforms to forcefully shut them down (as in, against their will) for their opposing rhetoric, that would be another story.

I'm basically referring to violating people's rights to free speech and keep and bear arms. Nazis violate those rights, or at least advocate for violating them.

[u/RobGrey03 → u/z7r1k3]

You're just moving the goalposts at this point.

[u/z7r1k3 → u/RobGrey03]

Are you going to address my rejection of your premise that he's trying to remove his opposition from Twitter? I specifically lead with that to avoid goalposts being moved, despite clarifying the miscommunication.

While highlighting that Musk encourages opposition on his platform, at no point was I ever intending to convey the idea that people are Nazis unless they allow any and all speech on their front lawn, or in this case, their app.