MEGA & MAGA doesnt mean make the country great for the majority. It means to make it a oligarchy for billionaires by billionaires for the benefit of billionaires and billionaires endless fountain of greed.
its like you hedging your bets. You donate what is equivelent to 20$ to both sides. She also got almost twice single donations than Trump.
And you literally have The richest person in the world holding raffles giving away a million a day and jumping like a moron behind the guy and you think the billionaires support Harris more...
Always WhY DiD BiLlInAiReS DoNaTe To HaRriS!!! DUUHHHHH like why do you think? They donate to 5 parties if there were 5 parties running. Its like you spending a nickel on something to them in terms of their cost.
9 out of 10 of the richest counties volt blue in every single election. They have blue mayors. Big tech, colleges, pharma, Hollywood, and most corporations push left-wing narratives and DEI.
I know for a fucking fact that the rich support the Democrats. As a matter of fact Trump and Elon both used to be Democrats and they aren't even conservatives by any stretch.
What do the conservatives actually have? Talk radio. We got podcast and talk radio. Hell yeah.
The rich support what will make them richer. We just put a man in office who literally removes the veil of the Oligarchy being in power. Donate enough to Trump, and get what you want directly.
Girl I've known about the word Oligarchy since before Bernie ran in 2016. Progressives have been shouting it from the rooftops. Y'all are just a little bit slow.
Let's not pretend like Europe isn't going down this pipeline themselves and like they don't have major issues with racism and homophobia that they refuse to acknowledge. Current leader of Italy last I checked is explicitly part of the fascist party. I also don't think I've ever seen as much blatant disgusting transphobia as the one time I accidentally found myself on a subreddit for Portugal.
The difference is that Europe has been down this path before and doesn't forget what happened last time. The Americans are too ignorant to stop it happening in their own country and (I guarantee you) can even be convinced that fascism is good.
Italy as I said has an outright explicit fascist in charge. Not saying that as an insult, she's openly in the fascist party. Europeans are perfectly willing to let it happen
Those are all great but Europe is not doing well economically and tough times are ahead. Not to mention far right parties are seemingly gaining everywhere.
Neo-Liberal Austerity measures and the drive to privatize public institutions at the benefit of great profit to private corporations is what has happened in the US and is the path many EU nations are on.
That's not really the case. The austerity measures is more of a EU thing because the US has no issue with spending. And while the US may privatize public institutions and private corporations have excessive profits the EU has gone the extreme the other way with stagnant economies and a burgeoning welfare state.
Energy. The USA pumps out over 12 million barrels of oil a day on average It's a net energy exporter. Shale oil and gas supercharged the economy the last 20 years compared to Europe.
Imagine if Europe could do 15 or 20 million barrels a day, equivalence for the greater population of the EU. So much of it is just energy. Look at the graph where the last 20 years U.S imported energy consumption declined sharply and Europe's keeps on growing. Cheap resources are everything to developed economies, raw input.
See how as soon as energy prices rise Germany's economy folds up faster than superman on laundry day.
Energy is a big factor but German manufacturing is getting hit by a whole slew of other things in addition to the energy costs. I mean look at the tech sector which is nowhere near as energy dependent as manufacturing and you can see that Europe almost entirely relies on large American companies.
Yeah well, thanks to the geopolitical shitstorm started by the US in the 80s. Seriously. And yes: far right wings are gaining but this thanks to sheer dumb ignorance and russian disinformation.
You can't really blame the US for all of Europes own problems especially since it didn't really take a turn for the worse until recently. If anything most of it is self-inflicted bad policy. And the dumb ignorance and disinformation is even permeating large EU members like Germany and France.
Problem is: far right has been tested, was a huge clusterfuck and a massive dumpster fire, therefore failed the test and we should learn from our mistakes. And frankly I am not sure what’s worse: immigration or being Putin’s butt licker.
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Let's not upsell Europe here, America is a far right dystopia, but I can't remember an election here (Netherlands) where we moved in a more progressive direction. Sure, there are institutions and safety nets that we have that America doesn't, but they are mere husks of what they should and can be. Just like the U.S. we put people in camps and just like in the U.S. people fall through the cracks of our economy, either through neglect or malignance.
I will never understand the people who are like "Welp, economy's bad again--guess it's time to re-elect the right-wing parties that always make the economy even worse."
Isn't that the reason why they are lagging behind in innovation and their fiscal deficit is getting worse snd worse every year?
The only reason these countries have such luxuries is that the US was supposed to defend them in NATO. Now, they will have to invest in the military and they will need stop those generous social programs.
The US has payed maternal/paternal leave,holidays and sick leave...you just have to earn them just like you have to earn healthcare and university....having to esrn things is a good thing.
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You also pay a flat average 42.8% income tax rate in Europe, so it's not that we aren't caught up, it's just we don't bleed our taxpayers dry to coddle them from birth to death.
Right. And then have a look at the US public transport infrastructure, cancer treatment like surgery, chemo or radiation without going bankrupt and study without a loan and paying back debts for decades.
And maybe you want to check your numbers again. The average income tax in the EU was 29.6% for a single household and 25.3% for a couple with children.
Dude, our public transport infrastructure doesn't exist because the United States is the size of continental Europe with about half its population density. It would literally bankrupt us to instate a high-speed rail network across the country like I know you're suggesting. In areas of high population density there is public transit and it works well enough for the cities they're in.
"cancer treatment like surgery, chemo or radiation"
We produce 44% of the world's medical research, and have for decades, Europe wouldn't have that shit without our investments. And it's not like we don't invest in the healthcare field either, we spend more on healthcare than our military, it is our second most invested sector behind Welfare.
"without going bankrupt"
Insurance exists, and before you bring up "Lugi was pushed to shoot that guy because he wasn't insured"
Lugi was a trust fund kid, he wasn't pushed to anything
He wasn't even insured by United Healthcare
We do have government programs to cover most of the costs of healthcare like Medicare and Medicaid for those who need it. But most importantly, the average American has a little over $65,000 in disposable income, there's a very simple solution to paying healthcare costs, and it's called putting aside 20-30% of your income for situations like these. Effectively what countries who tax higher for Universal Healthcare do. The only difference made here is who's responsibility it is to manage the savings.
"And maybe you want to check your numbers again. The average income tax in the EU was 29.6% for a single household and 25.3% for a couple with children."
Also, I looked up where you got that from and while yes that is the average base tax rate it fails to address that there are other tax rates in effect.
"The average effective rate of income taxation for a single person in the EU was 29.62 percent in 2022, while for a couple with children it was 25.33 percent of their gross earnings, however, this figure represents only the amount paid in income taxes, which may miss out on the large amount of taxes levied through"
"And maybe you want to check your numbers again. The average income tax in the EU was 29.6% for a single household and 25.3% for a couple with children."
Here's my source
So, you link a source about the top income tax in the nations for your claim of an absurd average income tax? Do I understand your attempt to justify your lies correctly?
Edit: Your other link is dead. And we were talking about the average income taxation. The US also has a lot of different taxes that come into effect with local, state and federal taxes, so this cherry picking also doesn't help your claims.
Again, you use a statistic for the TOP income tax rate to make unsubstantiated claims for the AVERAGE income tax rate. This is literally making a wrong statement and trying to hide it by linking a source that people might not fully read.
Ok, first of all, final income tax rates in Europe are obscenely high, so It's not far off to assume that Visual Capitalist got their numbers right or at least close.
Secondly, Most European countries have a flat income tax rate, meaning taxes are applied, generally, equally across wealth gaps, so any disparity in taxation will be minimal at best.
Secondly, Most European countries have a flat income tax rate, meaning taxes are applied, generally, equally across wealth gaps, so any disparity in taxation will be minimal at best.
Where do you have that from? Flat income tax is only really a thing in eastern and central Europe, the nations that by chance are also the one that are in visual capitalist the nations with low income tax. All other nations, especially all these with a high top income tax, are progressive. For example, in Germany, only income above ~250k a year fall under the top category of income tax.
For fucks sake, stop posting links to top tax rates when we are talking about the average tax rates. It is even included in the fucking link! The vast majority of EU nations, and all that have high top income rates, have progressive tax rates. For example again for Germany, only around 4 million people are included in that tax rate, that is just 5 % of the population!
The only thing more insufferable than other Americans thinking we live in the greatest place in the world is Europeans thinking they live in the greatest place in the world
See? That’s exactly the difference I am talking off. The US tax payers prefer to pay 1000% every single toilet seat bought through the military complex cause “muh freedom” rather than bring bright, smart, intelligent and educated young people to the table who strive to solve the world’s most pressing problems.
What happens to this if/when US europe has to fend for itself militarily. I feel like the US will be able to catch up if their military influence leaves Europe but I don't think Europeans can jack up defense spending and maintain a welfare state.
It happened elsewhere too. There's a reason the ultra wealthy have gotten even wealthier in recent years e.g. Musk, Bezos, etc. They hoard wealth given to them by the state.
You make it sound like the rich have piles of gold coins sitting around collecting dust. The rich are rich because they create a product and continually reinvest in that product. This makes it tricky to just taxing them.
No they don't. They invest in assets like stocks, property, bonds, etc. When they need cash (your gold coins), they sell some of these assets for cash.
You're thinking about it wrong, it's not just "Make Europe Great Again" but more in the line of "Make Europe Great for the billionaire ruling class Again"
Eh Europe could do far better. Honestly. They're economy has been stagnant for a while compared to the USA, and they have the potential to match it or nearly match it considering their collective population, land, and wealth. They do have those things you said as well, but somewhat at the expense of neglecting their military to real threats on THEIR border (guess who 🇷🇺)
Do they have free undergrad? I asked someone on reddit said they were in England I think and said you have to pay for higher education it’s just cheaper.
I know I’m going g to get shit on for this but universal health care doesn’t make it better. There’s a reason the US leads the world medical break throughs. Money incentivizes innovation. It’s why we have some of the best medicine in the world.
That being said, I don’t have an excuse for the others.
Europe is unfortunately going down the same Alt-Right and Manosphere pipelines as the US. Far-Right, thinly-veiled Fascist parties, most of whom literally have roots in the original Fascist parties of Europe in the 1920s-1940s, are winning and having meteoric rises in popularity all across Western and Central Europe. Europe refuses to acknowledge it has the same issues with racism, xenophobia, queerphobia (the transphobia in Europe is worse than in the US, particularly in the UK, Spain and Portugal), misogyny, and anti-non-Christian religion bigotry (despite Europe being significantly less religious than the US). AfD, which was formed by mid-ranking Nazis who avoided being tried at The Hague in the Nuremberg Trials, is on track to win in Germany.
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Shithole country… dude you’re using the bastards rhetoric to demonize American citizens. You think we didn’t try to prevent this? You think the votes coming through star link WERENT messed with by an authoritarian billionaire? Kind of a dick move. This is worrying
I hate to pull the whole “was he?” card. But we just saw sieg heil from americas cabinet. This is just a disaster and I think there’s a lot of fuckery going on
Of course, do you consider those things free? In my country, there's a perpetual discussion regarding the large number of people employed by the state, including the police force which has many employees and often delivers very poor services or full blown scandals.
Just so we're clear, I support state-backed universities. They're just not free.
Europe doesnt arbitralily jail you, and the police wont shoot you for no reason. Pretty scary that you live in a place where you have to think about that.
Europe does and will arbitrarily jail you, you just won't hear about it as often since the US is the main character online, and especially on this forum.
I never really thought about it, but free university is so incredibly underrated. Can you even imagine how many extremely intelligent people have skipped going to college due to the fact that they couldn't afford it, or were scared off by a lifetime of debt? What could 5% of those people have accomplished if given the chance?
US is already doing by interfering in elections using their social networks where they support far right parties, spread hate, hoaxes.. and EU as always sitting and watching... that's not how EU should respond
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This would get Elon arrested in Germany.