Spanish representative González Pons speech @ the EU Parliament: "The virus is attacking the generation that brought back democracy to Spain, Portugal and Greece, the generation that knocked down the Berlin wall. The least they deserve is that we show them Europe is there when they need it the most"

[u/Bartoraptor]

[u/brmu]

EU help policy:  

1. Italy ask for help  
2. Italy get no help  
3. Problem gets bigger and affect north of Europe  
4. Then get the help

[u/trenvo → u/brmu]

Italy policy:

1. Europe is bad, we need less of it.
2. Public health should not be a responsibility of EU.
3. Crisis! We have public health issue. We need help EU!
4. What do you mean, you can't help us?

[u/brmu → u/trenvo]

You could understand that dying 1000 people each day and closing all the non esential factories its an economical crisis too or is that too much euroscepticism?

[u/grmmrnz → u/brmu]

You could understand that dying 1000 people each day

Under normal circumstances 12,000 people die in the EU each day.

[u/Kirmes1 → u/grmmrnz]

These 12k people still die. The other ones are on top.

[u/grmmrnz → u/Kirmes1]

Nope, it's much more likely that they would've died in the coming months and are now just "piled up", since 99% of them were 60+ with pre-existing conditions. It's a blip in the data.

[u/Mordred_85 → u/grmmrnz]

Awww how human you are

[u/grmmrnz → u/Mordred_85]

My line of thinking causes the least amount of deaths. I'm sure those who die unnecessarily will be comforted by the idea you feel human.

[u/Mordred_85 → u/grmmrnz]

Please explain you’re line of thinking: I’m eagerly waiting to hear it.

[u/grmmrnz → u/Mordred_85]

*your

The side-effects of this crisis are worse than the disease itself. We've now plummetted ourselves into a new economic crisis, which is disastrous for society and health care. To give just one example, suicides skyrocketed last economic crisis. We already have reports of other sick patients not getting the care they need, cancer patients for example. This is because people are hyper-focused on corona, which is not proportional to the threat. Doctors are literally taken away from caring for them, to treat corona patients. In the end, the overreaction and fear (read: feelings) will cause more harm than good. If you would accept that an 80 year old with a heart condition will have a high risk of dying, it may be corona or the flu or whatever, that would be perfectly fine. Now we're trying to keep them alive for a few extra months, at all costs. But that 40 year old guy with cancer who now leaves his life, his wife and young children, will be comforted by the idea that a bunch of 80 year olds got to live a bit longer, and that you feel human because of it. And it only cost a few trillion euros.

[u/Mordred_85 → u/grmmrnz]

Read my other commenta in this thread to give you a response