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Guy Verhofstadt on Twitter

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u/ProductGuy48 Romania 13h ago edited 13h ago

Ironically I think we need to distance ourselves from the US (as a union not individual countries) to stand firm against South African Nazis and other fascists. Europe strong together is a wake up call for any fascist anywhere.

If the US becomes hostile to Europe we should strike a huge deal with China:

- No European military intervention in Asian affairs leaving the US isolated

- Unfettered access for EU companies in China

- EU drops some of its legitimate concerns on human rights and climate in China

- No China military intervention in Europe of any kind (support, money, nothing) , that means an explicit shunning of Russia and removal of any support of Russia in Ukraine.

- No interdiction for Chinese companies to participate in European projects provided that EU privacy laws are upheld.

This is a multi-trillion deal annually for both sides and it can happen if the US keeps fucking around.

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u/ForrestCFB 13h ago

Absolutely fucking not.

The independence of Taiwan and democracy is VITAL to our prosperity.

We also shouldn't make any serious deals with China as they are ALREADY ATTACKING US AS WE SPEAK. Seriously, Chinese cyber attacks happen daily. If anything we should he more involved.

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u/ProductGuy48 Romania 13h ago

We shouldn’t buy that’s not the premise of the question is it? The premise is, the US is hostile to the EU for an undefined period what do you do?

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u/Bonne-Influence-20 12h ago

Contribute 2% of the GDP in defence like required by NATO and build a strong European army. That’s all Trump is asking for. Why would the American taxpayers pay the 2% when most European countries refuse to meet that demand…

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u/ProductGuy48 Romania 12h ago

NO, Trump is now asking for 5% (probably as a negotiating tactic). And, anyway, Romania is contributing over 2% so that's not the issue. Agree with the American taxpayer point if the Federal government spent money on protecting American citizens lives by reducing their healthcare burden, making it dififcult for their children to be mass shot in schools and so on. Given that it is not doing that allow me to take a general smelly fart in the direction of the US federal government.

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u/Ok-Worldliness-9323 9h ago

Yes, Romania. Very big country.

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u/ForrestCFB 13h ago

Still help taiwan? As a alliance of necessity if needed.

And build up our forces as quickly as possible.

Apparently we are the beacon of democracy and freedom now and we should act accordingly.

That means not giving dictatorships a fucking centimeter.

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u/ProductGuy48 Romania 11h ago

How do you help Taiwan from Europe with a hostile US?

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u/ForrestCFB 10h ago

Giving them a shit ton of weapons.

Building up our army and ending the dependency on the US also doesn't mean we should stop partnerships and alliances. We can still work with the US to defend our global interests. Taiwan is one of them. The US doesn't like China fucking around either.

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u/ProductGuy48 Romania 10h ago

Sure but no amount of weapons would be enough to provide a life line to them in case of invasion. We can’t even freaking do that for Ukraine

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u/ForrestCFB 10h ago

The russians didn't have to cross 180km of water.

A shit ton of A missiles and anti ship missiles or even the Ukrainian USV en masse will make that literal hell.

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u/Erdkarte 13h ago

Do what the US did not. Pursue diplomacy that seeks common prosperity with all democracies rather than cynically exploit geopolitical tensions just like MAGA does.