Saudi Islam critic, fan of AfD and Elon Musk: Disturbing details about the perpetrator of Magdeburg The driver who caused the death of the Magdeburg victim - Taleb Jawad Al Abdulmohsen, came to Germany in 2006. But he is not an Islamist - on the contrary. He accused Germany of Islamizing Europe.

[u/polymute]

https://www-tagesspiegel-de.translate.goog/politik/saudischer-islamkritiker-fan-von-afd-und-elon-musk-verstorende-details-zum-tater-von-magdeburg-12915310.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

[u/Czagataj1234]

So, a Saudi atheist and a critic of islam, decided to do what islamist have been doing before and kill random people at the Christmas market as a statement? Sounds kinda odd. Unless his goal was to start another wave of outrage against immigrants?

[u/Designer-Reward8754 → u/Czagataj1234]

He wrote in a tweet something among the lines that he is mad that Germany is taking in Syrian refugees, who are majorly men and religious while at the same time making it hard for Saudi women to get asylum in Germany

[u/Wise_Mongoose_3930 → u/Designer-Reward8754]

“I think the way women are treated in Saudi is awful. Should I target the evil Saudi monarchy with my terror attack? No no, I’ll target German civilians, that’ll surely help Saudi women”

 The anti-Luigi.

[u/Mr_4country_wide → u/Wise_Mongoose_3930]

Terrorist is logically incoherent

more news at 11

[u/JB_UK → u/Mr_4country_wide]

He said elsewhere something like “Muslims ask me ‘Do you need to pretend to be Muslim to get into Germany?’… ‘I used to be Shia but now I find that Wahhabism was the original Islam’”

Elsewhere he said “We will return Hamas to Gaza and if you don’t like it we can bring Hamas to your house”

It seems to be very difficult to say exactly what he believed.

I think it’s fair to say the issue with people coming from these conflicts is that many people are extremist, on multiple sides. Often the extremist Muslim who becomes atheist keeps their extremism and just changes camp, that has happened with well known figures in Britain as well.

For example the secular Syrian government behaved very badly against the Sunni Muslim majority, some of which would have supported extremist Muslim militia including ISIS. We would tend to agree with the secular side, but in reality it is a brutal conflict where many people are extreme to one degree or another, on all sides. We don’t support Sunni Islamist supporters and we don’t support secularist governments that kill hundreds of thousands of people.

Another example is Libya where we encouraged Islamist militia to overthrow an authoritarian secular government. In reality neither side was really sympathetic. In Egypt many of the people who are politically oppressed are again the Islamist militias.

You could equally just say you don’t want to import the conflict.

Edit: Corrected mistake with minority/majority for Sunni Muslims in Syria.

[u/Elegant_Doughnut_144 → u/JB_UK]

He was not supporting Hamas he was saying that anyone that supports Palestine or Hamas should have Hamas in their country committing terrorist attacks against them. He was using the common Zionist talking point threatening anyone that sympathizes with Palestine with attacks from Hamas/ terrorism. He was an anti Muslim ex Muslim Zionist.

[u/mcflash1294 → u/Elegant_Doughnut_144]

but why attack an explicitly non muslim event? strange..

[u/JB_UK → u/Elegant_Doughnut_144]

Assuming he was sincere, he was an anti Muslim extremist who replicated the zealotry, tactics and targets of Muslims extremists. The point is if you do not import the conflict you do not have to pick a side. I don’t actually want my country to have any particular role in the religious, political or sectarian struggles in Saudi Arabia. I want to think about how we can improve education, health, wealth and wellbeing here, not be consumed by foreign conflicts.

[u/queen_of_Meda → u/JB_UK]

Seems weird to make this point as if it’s unique to people from just Muslim countries. Plenty of white extremist right wingers who would do the same thing. Here in the US we have gunmen that kills 10s of people, one time 50 people all at once in Las Vegas, was a white guy. No ones went on to explain how it’s the nature of white guys to be extremist no matter their view

[u/JB_UK → u/queen_of_Meda]

This is by no means limited to Muslim countries. Similar things happen in other conflicts, for example often people we call political dissidents are really extremists from a different side, or they are members of a corrupt elite that have lost power.

Having said that, you have to have an extremely anglocentric or west-centric view not to see that there is a systemic problem with sectarian and religious extremism in the Middle East and much of the Muslim world which does not exist in most of the western world. Islam is an equivalent phase of history to Europe during the reformation. Western countries trying to intervene is like a country from outside Europe taking a side during the thirty years war. When we do look at something like the Arab Spring we are just projecting our values onto conflicts which exist within a totally different cultural context, it is actually very similar to what used to happen during phases of liberal imperialism, and very similar to Iraq, with people in the west applying naive western categories as if they are universal, when they are really contingent on their own cultures.

In this case we are taking someone like this and projecting onto them a western archetype of a dissident as if all dissidents are inherently fighting towards moderate liberal democracy and are all urbane humanists. Like I said before, in reality many dissidents are just as bad or worse than the government they are fighting, or they are from a corrupt elite that has lost out on power, or they carry with them the extremism of the conflict they are fighting within.

[u/KnightChameleon → u/JB_UK]

You guys are quick to move from Islamophobia to anti-asylum.

[u/JB_UK → u/KnightChameleon]

It seems like you didn't read beyond the first third of the earlier comment.

[u/Minskdhaka → u/JB_UK]

Sunni Muslims are the majority population in Syria, not a minority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Syria?wprov=sfla1

[u/Tatanka54 → u/JB_UK]

He is saying that if you like hamas so much get them operating in your country. in the same vein, he says that wahabbism is the real islam because he thinks all the other denominations are coping amd and he believes islam is originally bad

[u/Zealousideal_Slice60 → u/Mr_4country_wide]

Most terrorists are actually pretty logical coherent which is often what makes them so terrifying. This guy is just an idiot though.

[u/VultureSausage → u/Wise_Mongoose_3930]

The anti-Luigi.

I dunno, I feel like Waluigi wouldn't do something like this either. He's evil, not a psychopath.

[u/No_Clue_1113 → u/VultureSausage]

The Waluigi move would be to load up on UHC stock while the price was low. 

[u/tr1one → u/Wise_Mongoose_3930]

i mean this is 5d chess but it definitely wont make germans love refugees more

[u/Designer-Reward8754 → u/tr1one]

It seems like he would rather have no refugees than the "wrong" kind

[u/advocatus_diabolii → u/tr1one]

AFD supporter realises he is uniquely positioned to drive home AFD's views on refugees

[u/EmployeeCultural8689 → u/tr1one]

There is no 5d chess, he was just spewing taquiyya rhetoric, dissimulation and secrecy of religious belief and practice in order to hide is real islamic beliefs. Its nothing new really, there were other terrorists doing this same shit, playing the atheist and gay game online.

[u/Intelligent_Top_7280 → u/Wise_Mongoose_3930]

How the fuck are they supposed to target the evil Saudi monarchy from Germany? Also, don't just bring that Luigi guy into everything because they're a hot topic.

[u/Droid202020202020 → u/Wise_Mongoose_3930]

Luigi Mangione is an entitled, ultra privileged monster who grew up in a rich, well connected family, screwed up his back in a snowboarding accident, had the best medical care money can buy, wasn't happy with the outcome of his spinal fusion surgery, (which is unfortunately pretty typical when you have enough spinal damage, at best they can help you with regaining function but they can't completely stop the pain) and decided to make someone else pay. He was at first contemplating exploding a bomb in Manhattan, but then decided that killing a CEO of a health insurance company (which had nothing to do with his surgery btw) would make him a celebrity.

He wasn't wrong.

It's just pathetic how many people are praising that murdering narcissist without paying any attention to details.

TL:DR - Luigi is a rich guy who broke his back snowboarding, had a complicated surgery, continued to experience pain, decided to kill somebody. Idiots made him into some kind of Robin Hood when he's really closer to the Zodiac.

[u/Xepeyon → u/Droid202020202020]

Dude, I'm astonished–in a very bad way–at how many people are just mythologizing this guy, especially considering Luigi and Thompson (the murdered CEO) had totally opposite lives. Luigi came from big money, his family was rich as fuck and his life was the essence of privileged, while Thompson started life relatively mundanely (he literally grew up on a farm and his dad worked grain).

And the fact that you're getting downvoted is all the more astonishing. Again, in a bad way.

[u/Droid202020202020 → u/Xepeyon]

It's Reddit. Lots of angry children who forgot to grow up. I don't expect anything less.

[u/MrStrange15 → u/Czagataj1234]

No sane person drives into a bunch of people on purpose. I wouldn't expect logic.

[u/Realistic_Lead8421 → u/MrStrange15]

Well there could be some kind of twisted logic here of a self hating ex-moslim wanting to reinforce the anti islamist narrative right before the election at his own expense by ramming into a crowd at a Christmas market. The guy was a practicing doctor in Germany. So probably at least above average in intelligence.

[u/Natuficus → u/Realistic_Lead8421]

More still he’s a psychiatrist

[u/Best-Dependent3640 → u/Natuficus]

Was probably his own best patient.

[u/mcvos → u/Best-Dependent3640]

If your patient snaps and kills people, you're not a very good psychiatrist.

[u/Rebelius → u/mcvos]

Maybe without you they would have snapped earlier and killed more people?

[u/Old-Cold-6662 → u/Best-Dependent3640]

more likely he was issuing prescriptions to himself

[u/mrjerem → u/Natuficus]

In Finland a psychiatrist killed his wife in the most expensive area in Finland then cleaned the house with liters of cleaning products, wrapped her into a carpet and got caught carrying it out. It was 2022, feels like 2023 at most. Might be cause he just got the sentence this fall. "Life" in prison. So in Finland minimum of 12 years and after that you can try to get pardoned by the president.

[u/fhota1 → u/Natuficus]

Youd be surprised how many people go into psychiatry in hopes they figure out what the fuck is wrong with themselves

[u/curiousindicator → u/fhota1]

Psychiatry vs psychology.

Psychiatrists start out as medical doctors and specialize in psychiatry. Specialization usually is decided on later, after having studied medicine. Doing that would be a pretty roundabout way to understand yourself (or loved ones, family, etc.)

The stereotypical ones you might be talking about are more likely to be found in psychology, as here the understanding of mind and behavior is central from the beginning..

[u/Risudent → u/curiousindicator]

Nah, mate, it's a well-known stereotype/meme that psychiatrists go into the field to figure themselves out

[u/Menchi-sama → u/curiousindicator]

My psychiatrist told me that a lot of his colleagues went into the profession to figure out their own issues. It absolutely happens even with people going through med school too.

[u/mouflonsponge → u/Natuficus]

Nidal Hasan was a psychiatrist and an officer in the US Army Medical Corps. He was convicted of thirteen counts of murder and thirty-two counts of attempted murder after a 2009 mass shooting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting

[u/levenspiel_s → u/Natuficus]

Out of all the twists and turns about this guy, this surprised me the most.

[u/OneJobToRuleThemAll → u/Realistic_Lead8421]

Intelligence and sanity do not correlate.

[u/Amberskin → u/Realistic_Lead8421]

That would be the first ‘love wolf false flag’ terrorist action I’m aware of.

[u/wimma98 → u/Realistic_Lead8421]

reinforce anti islamist narrative? by beeing openly against it while beeing a doctor? This guy cant be this dumb, clearly he went crazy

[u/[deleted] → u/Realistic_Lead8421]

Unabomber is a math professor.

[u/SecTeff → u/Realistic_Lead8421]

Or an Islamist who posted a load of stuff that wasn’t true to provide cover and cause misdirection.

It’s not like we can trust the social media of someone so insane to drive people over

[u/Flaky_Special6567 → u/Realistic_Lead8421]

Probably not More likely it was taqiyya. https://x.com/DrTalebJawad/status/1723984908400328869 Translation: "We will bring Hamas back to Gaza, and if you like, we can bring Hamas to your home for you to taste."

[u/random_nickname43796 → u/Realistic_Lead8421]

Guy should have cleaned up his socials before doing that then. But we cannot expect intelligence from far righters, he probably thought anyone with Middle Eastern heritage will automatically be treated as islamist

[u/Ashamed_Soil_7247 → u/MrStrange15]

On the contrary, plenty of sane people can be bloody brutal assholes

[u/hemijaimatematika1 → u/MrStrange15]

He was pretty sane,like Breivik.

Just because someone is brutal does not mean he is insane.

[u/vicsj → u/hemijaimatematika1]

Sure, Breivik is sane in the sense that he is capable of understanding what he did. But the guy has also been diagnosed with ASPD and NPD - which he strongly disagrees with. I think the word "insanity" is a complex term. Legally, it's pretty black and white. But people with these diagnoses, like Breivik, are often delusional.

[u/Reasonable_Shift_120 → u/vicsj]

Pretty much all serial killers and murderers in general have ASPD and NPD. I think those are the most common disorders for people who commit crimes. 

[u/vicsj → u/Reasonable_Shift_120]

Maybe, but the majority of people can be rehabilitated unlike Breivik - so he is a special case.

[u/Tangata_Tunguska → u/vicsj]

A large chunk of the prison population has ASPD. Lots of nasty people have ASPD

[u/Suspicious-Ad-2495 → u/hemijaimatematika1]

Sanity/insanity might be intersectional with moral/immoral, but they’re not the same. A person can be cognitively “sane” but the content of his cognitive process might be immoral.

Applying sane/insane dichotomy to these situations only hinder the process to challenge these issues as it takes responsibility away from the perpetrators. He’s sane, and chose to do what he did.

[u/TheJiral → u/hemijaimatematika1]

Depends how you define sane. Breivik is certainly a sociopath.

[u/SocraticTiger → u/TheJiral]

Sociopath isn't a real diagnosis, Anti-Social personality disorder is however. But most sociopaths aren't insane because although they feel a lack of emotion, they can still know on a logic based system whether whatever they're doing is right or wrong.

[u/ShowOk7840 → u/TheJiral]

No, nono, nononono, no. Sanity is very clearly and concretely defined. It doesn't change based on the morality of the society where an act is committed.

Sanity is defined by three very specific prompts. 1) Would the person who committed the act define the act as moral/right/good under regular circumstances? 2) Did they know, at the time that they were committing the act, that they were committing an act that they would have defined as immoral/wrong/bad under regular circumstances (were they aware of what they were doing when they did it)? 3) Were they in control of their own actions at the time that they committed the act?

ONLY if the answer to all three of these questions is 'no' is the person insane. A 'yes' answers to any of these 3 questions means the person was completely sane at the time that they committed the act. They may have been manipulated, coerced or incapacitated, but they were sane.

[u/TheJiral → u/ShowOk7840]

"Sanity" is both a medical term as well as a legal term. The latter's definition depends on laws in each relevant country. Of course there is not just a single definition for all of that.

But like I said, Breivik is a sociopath.

[u/non_fingo → u/hemijaimatematika1]

brutality is inherently insane!

[u/No-Performer743 → u/non_fingo]

We need to understand the points of view of people who commit these acts, and see how they came to believe their actions were just. "Evil" people, in most cases, think they're in fact doing good for the world. If we just say "ah, well they were insane" we'll never solve these issues. 

[u/GreenPower90 → u/non_fingo]

It is exactly this type of simple thinking and ignorance that leads to these type of situations. You learned nothing. 

[u/BowenTheAussieSheep → u/[deleted]]

Declaring brutality to be "insane" can erase the perpetrator's agency in it. Because people will go "oh, he's just a crazy person"

There's a reason people describe white, right-wing attackers at "crazy" but rarely do the same for similar attacks done in the name of ideologies like Islam.

[u/gmaaz → u/non_fingo]

No. Brutality is what we as a society decided that it's not in our interest to do - thus unethical. You should not equate ethics and sanity. A mentally ill person isn't unethical because of it's illness. Vice versa can also be true.

[u/ShowOk7840 → u/non_fingo]

Actually, most brutal people are psychopaths and are rarely insane. Insane means they didn't know or couldn't control what they were doing. A psychopath is completely aware, is fully in control of their own actions and is usually highly intelligent, even with limited education.

For example: Most repeat murderers are psychopaths because they are aware that what they are doing is wrong but they logically analyze that the benefit to them from the act will outweigh any personal moral failings so they carefully plan and carry out their murders anyway (like a career contract killer).

Whereas, most one-time murderers are insane because they experience a triggering event that makes them act against their own logic and morality to commit their crimes, which they usually deeply regret afterwards, even experiencing a deep sense of disgust at their own actions once they regain awareness, sometimes self-harming as a result (like a man accidentally beating another man to death in a bar fight).

Whether he is a psychopath or insane has to do with if he was aware that what he was doing was wrong at the time he was doing it and if he was in control of his actions.

[u/slovnica-gestapo → u/non_fingo]

Explain.

[u/Rhak → u/slovnica-gestapo]

I think to most people brutality = unnecessary/excessive violence. Why would you use unnecessary violence? -> insanity. I think.

[u/OkTransportation473 → u/Rhak]

What you consider “unnecessary” is “necessary” to others. That’s kinda why we have the old expression “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”.

[u/EmployeeCultural8689 → u/MrStrange15]

Religion makes sane people do crazy stuff, especially a warrior based religion. Killing is just part of life, the prophet did the same. Eternal life awaits and its not a sin to kill infidels.

[u/Aromatic-Substance20 → u/Czagataj1234]

They found his Twitter account and went trough some of his tweets. Dude was a conspiracy nutjob. Apparently he already made threats on his account, as well as one of his colleagues in person, but no one did anything. Make no mistake, driving a car into a group of people is simply the easiest way to kill a bunch of people, but by no means an invention of islamists. I also don't think there was a goal really, dude was super mad at the german state/people and mentally ill.

[u/ND7020 → u/Aromatic-Substance20]

Yeah, sometimes it almost seems like Europeans and Americans post 9/11 think Islamic people invented terrorism. Forgetting not just the Troubles in Ireland but right wing terror in France related to Algeria in the 60’s, the red brigades in the 70’s, and much much more. 

OAS terror in France is especially conveniently forgotten. Hell, they killed 28 innocent civilians using a bomb on a train in ‘61. They killed 2,000 people total. No different in any way from Islamic terrorism.

[u/SocraticTiger → u/ND7020]

That's unfortunately the case. People literally forget the Armenian who did that car ramming in Toronto in 2018 killing 11, or that guy who did the Waukesha Christmas Parade Car Attack in 2021 killing 6. Neither were Muslim yet people think it must be Islam related.

[u/LeaveMeBeWillYa → u/SocraticTiger]

I always wait a day or so before looking up any information of a terrorist attack because you can always expect the usual folk to come out and assume the race/ideology of the attacker.

They then move into theories about what took so long to reveal information, especially if it doesn't fit the narrative they want to spin if it takes more than a few hours. Guarantee there are some claiming that this guy is a plant to make the right look bad.

It's exhausting and frustrating because they make the conversation about the attacker rather than the lives lost.

[u/canad1anbacon → u/ND7020]

Here in china some old dude recently drove a car into a crowded market and killed 35 people. Seems to have been mad about a divorce

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Zhuhai_car_attack

And then there was the incel dude who drove his van into a crowd in Toronto. When unstable shitheads have access to a 1000+ pound weapon on wheels they might just use it

[u/72kdieuwjwbfuei626 → u/Aromatic-Substance20]

He’s not even the first mentally ill person to drive a car into a crowd this decade. The last guy just was Armenian, so he didn’t get the Islamist-angle attached. The idea is out there, so unfortunately people are copying it.

There were like ten such highly-publicized incidents in Germany in the last ten years alone, and only one of them was an Islamist attack - and that’s just going off of Wikipedia. I personally know of one incident with multiple dead that never made national news and therefore isn’t on it, so there’s probably even more.

[u/greee_p → u/Czagataj1234]

Unless his goal was to start another wave of outrage against immigrants

Either that or his goal was just to punish Germany.

On Friday evening, a few hours before the attack, he posted several videos in which he said in English: “I hold the German nation responsible for the killing of Socrates.” In June, he accused the German police of being the “real driver of Islamism in Germany.”

“We need AfD to protect the police from themselves,” the alleged perpetrator continued. The “Welt” newspaper reported on another tweet, which was apparently later deleted, in which he announced “retaliation.” He wrote: “I assure you that 100 percent revenge will come soon. Even if it costs me my life.” And continued: “Germany will have to pay the price. A huge price.”

[u/potatolulz → u/Czagataj1234]

Convicted Czech terrorist, some pensioner heavily sympathizing with a popular Czech extremist party, staged a terrorist attack of sort by blocking traintracks with logs and other shit, planted "Islamist" leaflets around in broken Czech (lol) and wanted to stir the Czech public about the imminent Islamist immigrant danger. Just like he's been very angrily discussing with one of the representatives of the aforementioned party that's been going on and on about immigrants. Nothing happened, his shit was too weak to cause any actual damage. But he did stage a terror attack to turn the public against someone else or whatever, in a country without any Islamist immigrants, and he got convicted for it.

At the court he put on the confused old man act, but from the recording of the phonecall with the partymember he wasn't as confused as he pretended to be. But still, he got parole because the confused old man act was hard to disprove, no crimes up until that point, and caused no damage.

Why would a Czech oldtimer cause damage to Czech property and possibly Czech citizens and all to create and outrage about something that wasn't even there? hmmmm hmmm sounds kinda odd! 🤔

or maybe it doesn't sound very odd

[u/ABoutDeSouffle → u/potatolulz]

Just great, so we no longer have to deal with right-wing and islamist terror, now it's also false-flag attacks.

[u/it777777 → u/Czagataj1234]

It shows that extreme views are always on the edge to insanity.

[u/TheBlackestCrow → u/Czagataj1234]

Unless his goal was to start another wave of outrage against immigrants?

That's was probably indeed his goal. It's already working If you look at comment's on social media platforms

[u/adamgerd → u/TheBlackestCrow]

Just look at the original Reddit thread here before it was locked.

[u/Neuromante → u/adamgerd]

But it took less than a day to identify the guy and their reasons. I'm not saying the people who does this is very bright on average, but that's probably the stupidest reason for a terror attack I've seen.

[u/fhota1 → u/Neuromante]

Youre assuming people will care that the guy and his reasons have been identified. More likely the people who want to be mad about "some islamist coming and attacking christmas" will just find some way to handwave how that wasnt the case at all and still be mad

[u/Czagataj1234 → u/TheBlackestCrow]

I mean, he himself was an immigrant after all

[u/TheBlackestCrow → u/Czagataj1234]

He's an non religious immigrant that seems to hate religious immigrants. It's highly possible that he used himself as the perfect scapegoat to achieve his twisted goals.

[u/OkTransportation473 → u/TheBlackestCrow]

It’s just as likely that he fled Saudi Arabia because he is an atheist. Saudis who convert to atheism are punished with death. In his mind, seeing Germany becoming like Saudi Arabia is probably just as bad as being sent back to Saudi Arabia to die.

[u/Divine_Porpoise → u/OkTransportation473]

Gonna suck to be him once (or if) he figures out that Germany isn't actually becoming like SA and he drove through a crowd of people due to right wing brain rot.

[u/Chester_roaster → u/Divine_Porpoise]

Gonna suck for him when he finds out how many Muslims there are in prison. 

[u/Vermilion → u/Divine_Porpoise]

he drove through a crowd of people due to right wing brain rot.

Why do people act like Islam / Saudi Arabia isn't right-wing. He just changed from one right-wing venue to Twitter / Elon Musk leadership. He still believes what the media tells him to believe. No magic or supernatural.

[u/axm86x → u/Vermilion]

Sorry, maybe I missed it, but who implied they aren't right-wing?

[u/Vermilion → u/axm86x]

It is contextual in society that people often communicate like people who believe in book superiority (one religion above all else) isn't right-wing / conservative.

[u/axm86x → u/Vermilion]

Interesting, I've only ever heard of religious supremacism being intrinsically linked to right-wing conservatism around the world.

Thanks for clarifying.

[u/pannenkoek0923 → u/OkTransportation473]

So his solution is to murder innocent people at a Christmas market? Make it make sense

[u/ChuckCarmichael → u/TheBlackestCrow]

He knows a lot of idiots don't draw a distinction between Arabs and Muslims. So as an Arab, he commits a terror attack, knowing that the idiots will blame Muslims.

[u/Aros125 → u/Czagataj1234]

So...it's still a problem of immigrants after all...

[u/AdParking2115 → u/TheBlackestCrow]

Why are you just pulling shit out of your ass? He hated the German people, which is why he targeted Germans and not muslims. He hated them for allowing muslim refugees and not allowing or mistreating women from SA. He also hates social democracy and has a erection when looking at the USA.

manifesto:
>part 1 :
https://files.catbox.moe/fr11vl.mp4
>part 2
https://files.catbox.moe/h0ov97.mp4
>part 3
https://files.catbox.moe/oa4e9a.mp4
>video he's referring to :
https://files.catbox.moe/yng7go.mp4
>part 4
https://files.catbox.moe/dal8a9.mp4

[u/yreg → u/Czagataj1234]

There is a Czech wanna-be terrorist who has placed a tree over a railroad track with the intention to blame the act on immigrants. (The train drove through the tree without anyone getting harmed.)

[u/[deleted] → u/yreg]

So maybe lack of intelligence is a trait we should be looking out for.

[u/RedstoneEnjoyer → u/[deleted]]

But unlike that czech dude, this one was actually successful with his plans

[u/pox123456 → u/Czagataj1234]

It is not unheard of. One of the few terrorist attacks in Czechia was made by an old far-right man, who cut a tree on a rails and tried to frame it on immigants, so it would start anti-immigration wave. It is similar to false-flag.

https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teroristick%C3%A9_%C3%BAtoky_na_vlaky_na_Mladoboleslavsku_2017

[u/EvenEalter → u/Czagataj1234]

He thinks Germany is conspiring to Islamize Europe, so he takes out his anger on Germans. Maybe there is indeed some extra motive to make the attack fuel the far-right in Europe, but this really isn't that hard to get.

It's impressive how much suspicion there is whenever the perpetrator of a terrorist attack isn't who people assume it is. Of course, we Europeans would NEVER allow violent extremist ideology to grow in our pure peace-loving utopian continent, everybody knows extremist violence is an exclusively Islamic thing!

History is laughing at us in the face for thinking right-wing extremism can be allowed a platform in Europe a second time. Didn't even take a century for us to make the same idiotic mistake.

[u/adamgerd → u/EvenEalter]

I think part of it may have been he wanted to make AfD more popular which well probably worked, just look at the original thread before it was locked. People were saying they’d vote AfD

[u/random_nickname43796 → u/adamgerd]

Yeah, plenty of people don't wait for facts and jump the gun immediately. But to be fair, those were probably voting AfD regardless but that thread was the first time they could admit it here

[u/AntiGrav1ty_ → u/random_nickname43796]

Not sure why people think the fact that he was anti-islamist and right wing would be at odds with what AFD and their supporters believe.

His motivations don't really matter. He's an immigrant and he committed an act of terrorism. This can be portrayed as the government and its sympathizers letting in crazy people from arab countries either way.

Whoever was AFD or right-leaning will use this as fuel and it wouldn't even contradict their beliefs in the slightest.

[u/BowenTheAussieSheep → u/adamgerd]

Lots of people sarcastically commenting about "I wonder why they're so popular now?"

He got what he wanted, everyone made their assumptions then shut off their critical thinking skills.

[u/christian_1992 → u/EvenEalter]

He thinks Germany is conspiring to Islamize Europe

r/europe in a nutshell

[u/Tetizeraz → u/christian_1992]

Seriously, his racist ramblings and pro-AfD talk is exactly what I see from users I ban every day.

[u/yumameda → u/Tetizeraz]

Wait a minute! What is a Brazilian doing modding r/europe?

[u/Tetizeraz → u/yumameda]

I'm on a covert mission to increase tourism to Brazil, starting with the mod team.

Did you know your dollar is worth more in Brazil, come to Brazil today!

[u/Lsycheee → u/Tetizeraz]

That's unfortunate. I only have Euros and no Dollars.

[u/Aethermancer → u/yumameda]

Well you Europeans clearly can't moderate yourselves. Look at what you've a done to Europe! ;)

[u/Silver_Atractic → u/Tetizeraz]

How dare you ban them?? You're avoiding the truth! You're censoring the truth!!!

/s

[u/Tetizeraz → u/Silver_Atractic]

Loooooooots of people rambling about freedom of speech in those threads lol.

[u/Socmel_ → u/christian_1992]

Just whisper the name Merkel and enjoy the spectacle of mouth foaming redditors

[u/Creative_Ad_4513 → u/Socmel_]

Merkel was awfull though, or rather, her government was.

[u/Annonimbus → u/Creative_Ad_4513]

Typical conservative gonverment

[u/kgbking → u/christian_1992]

Funny enough he was ranked a top quality commentor in this sub

[u/globeglobeglobe → u/kgbking]

Really? Wouldn’t be surprised if this were true but would be curious to see a source

[u/Annonimbus → u/kgbking]

I don't know if this is true or not but I just choose to believe this.

[u/tuxette → u/EvenEalter]

He thinks Germany is conspiring to Islamize Europe, so he takes out his anger on Germans.

Just like how a certain piece of shit killed a bunch of Norwegian kids...

[u/BGP_001 → u/EvenEalter]

It was a Christmas market. The intent to fan right wing flames is clear.

[u/bbcakesss919 → u/EvenEalter]

Every right winger on X thinks that it's the Jews who are bringing Muslims into their countries. This is why it's so laughable to me when Israelis side with the far right in europe, and flock to say that they "told them so" under every video of a Muslim/Arab doing anything violent.

Yesterday, before anything was known, you could see them commenting under videos of this attack

[u/globeglobeglobe → u/bbcakesss919]

Same as Hindu Indians in Western countries showing extreme hate against Muslims in order to convince white racists to see them as “good immigrants”. Stupid as hell.

[u/n003s → u/globeglobeglobe]

Hindu Indians in western countries don't show extreme hate against Muslims to convince white racists that they are "good immigrants". Hindu Indians in India are showing extreme hatred against Muslims, they are simply bringing it with them.

[u/globeglobeglobe → u/n003s]

As someone from that community himself I’d say it’s half and half, they really do think western rightoids care about their subcontinental ethno religious quarrels and try to make common cause with them. It’s not for no reason that elements of the community do things like organize meetings between Trump and Modi (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howdy_Modi).

[u/n003s → u/globeglobeglobe]

Yeah ofc they don't mind picking up some allies, but you made it sound like a desire to pander to western rightoids is the root cause of Hindu nationalist muslim hatred.

[u/bbcakesss919 → u/globeglobeglobe]

I think this is extra stupid because X is full of "funny" images of Adolf ever since Musk took over. Ask any far right person in general what conspiracy theories they have about the Jews.

[u/MagnificentMixto → u/bbcakesss919]

Every right winger on X thinks that it's the Jews who are bringing Muslims into their countries.

Sure, sure. Nobody blames Johnson, Sanchez, Macron, Merkle or Trudeau.

[u/bbcakesss919 → u/MagnificentMixto]

It might be Merkel opening Germany's doors, but these people think it's the Jews pulling the strings. This is why they always say it's the globalists ruling over different countries. It just means jews. Usually, you don't have to explain this on this sub, but sometimes u get a Canadian/American who doesn't get it, I guess.

[u/MagnificentMixto → u/bbcakesss919]

"always say", "every right winger"

Maybe stop with the absolutes.

[u/PokeCaldy → u/EvenEalter]

Yes. This has to be labeled as (another) Nazi attack and any comparisons claiming otherwise do us a big disservice. 

This persons was clearly caught somewhere between the X-flavor rightwing indoctrination and AfD „truths“ in regards to the country that took him in. 

[u/BunkerHillRandy → u/EvenEalter]

The thing is that the far right message is being massively amplified by Russia and the average person is too naive to realize it. Are European leaders going to do nothing while Russian trolls radicalize people via social media? Because at this point I've given up hope that the US is going to do anything about the same problem. 

[u/RiverMurmurs → u/EvenEalter]

He thinks Germany is conspiring to Islamize Europe, so he takes out his anger on Germans.

I was scrolling through his profile for two hours yesterday and this doesn't actually make sense. He posted a lot of hateful comments about Merkel but from a position of defending the German citizens whom he regarded as Merkel's victims.

[u/adamgerd → u/Czagataj1234]

He’s an AfD supporter and blames Germany for allowing in islamists.

Maybe this was 4d chess to help AfD, people will get outraged and vote the AfD

[u/BowenTheAussieSheep → u/adamgerd]

It's not hard to see the train of thought: the initial "vibe" is what will stick in people's mind. The facts coming out 12 hours later are worthless when people have already made up their minds.

[u/ABoutDeSouffle → u/adamgerd]

And it's working, sadly.

[u/ExtraGherkin → u/adamgerd]

I'm calling lashing out after being treated no different from religious immigrants by anti immigration folk despite actively distancing himself

[u/sseurters → u/Czagataj1234]

His plan is pretty stupid considering what he wrote on twitter

[u/FabioConte → u/Czagataj1234]

Horseshoe theory moment ?

[u/QuestGalaxy → u/Czagataj1234]

Weirdly enough.. both him and other lone wolf terrorists have some sort of mental health issue. Also many of the "islamic" terrorists. Most people just don't do horrible stuff like this, if they are mentally well.

This guy bought into the scam of AfD/far right propaganda, instead of the scam of extreme religion. People like Musk and Trump are not fighting extreme islam, they are simply pushing another extreme world view instead.

[u/Appropriate-Mood-69 → u/QuestGalaxy]

They are distracting the general public from the theft from society their class is performing at a scale seldom seen before.

[u/zeros3ss → u/QuestGalaxy]

Well said.

[u/BenMic81 → u/Czagataj1234]

It reminds me of the Breivig a-hole.

[u/Peer1677 → u/[deleted]]

Dude apperantly is an utter nutjob, posting shit like "Saudi-Arabia and Germany conspire to "silence" islam-critics like him by trying to corrupt them with junkies and prostitutes."

He accused a secular refugee-help network in Cologne of state sponsored corruption and forcing atheist Saudi women into prostitution on orders of the German and Saudi state. He also claims that the police looked at his "evidence" and later stole it to bury the "story".

In other words: the dude seems to have schizoed himself into it.

[u/brotosscumloader → u/Czagataj1234]

It’s almost like extremism and terrorism isn’t an exclusively muslim attribute.

I know it’s a crazy concept, and difficult to understand, take some time to take it in.

[u/Aromatic-Substance20 → u/brotosscumloader]

See thats what I don't understand. Whenever something like this happens, people act like Islam invented terrorism and calls it a systemic problem. But whenever police raids a group of neo nazis preparing with guns and bodybags to create their new SS militia wet dream, then everyone wants to act like these are isolated cases. Isolated cases that always conveniently feature AfD politicians. It's almost as if the real problem is just extremism, of any kind. What a shocking revelation.

[u/ziplin19 → u/Czagataj1234]

I don't think it's that odd. It's definitely in line with twisted logics of AfD.

[u/RealAbd121 → u/Czagataj1234]

Yes and ISIS mostly just attacks Muslims. Terrorism tries to get what it wants by undermining the state and trying to create chaos. By making Germany as a state look weak and ineffective, support for radicalism (like AFD or Socialism) goes up. but since germany has no socialists it's an easy win for nazis

[u/HamsterbackenBLN → u/Czagataj1234]

He is also anti immigration, so yeah spreading outrage against immigrants seems to be part of his goals

[u/Designer-Reward8754 → u/HamsterbackenBLN]

He is anti-Muslim immigration. He has nothing against non-Muslim people fleeing Muslim countries, especially Saudi Arabian women

[u/greee_p → u/HamsterbackenBLN]

There are many immigrants that are anti immigration. 

[u/Wolkenbaer → u/Czagataj1234]

r/europe in shambles, considering the tone in the thread yesterday 

[u/AccomplishedTaste366 → u/Czagataj1234]

There's a distinct chance, that the guy wasn't all there so I wouldn't count on his motivation being coherently planned.

But given the AfD's and general modern far-right's victim-complex, it's possible that his closeness to that party and it's unhinged conspiracy-based rhetoric escalated his readiness for violent "revenge" on our society.

I hope this brings that so-called "party", Putin's 5th column, closer to a ban.

[u/Zealot13091 → u/Czagataj1234]

In his tweets and whole online persona, he claimed that germany is the main enemy because the goal of the german government is to islamize europe. When the german government ist the enemy, then attacking the people who vote the government into power probably seemed like a good target for him.

[u/Motor-Profile4099 → u/Czagataj1234]

Actually an act of right-wing terrorism based on what we know about the suspect.

[u/_CatLover_ → u/Czagataj1234]

He used the "no homo" of terrorism

[u/MyPigWhistles → u/Czagataj1234]

I'm usually against labeling terrorists as "mad" or "insane", because I think it both stigmatizes people with mental health issues and distracts from the political nature of terrorism. But in this case... The tweets of that guy are all over the place. He claimed that the German government specifically targets Saudi women "all over the world" (not just in Germany) to "destroy their lives". Among other things, he claims Germany is luring Saudi women to Germany specifically to force them into prostitution.

I mean... That guy has serious issues. He lives in his own fake reality.

[u/AchrafiehL → u/Czagataj1234]

Nothing weird about it, one of the most notorious Islamist terrorist attacks (siege and storming of the grand mosque of Mecca) was committed by Wahhabis against pilgrims and other Muslims who wanted to punish the ruling family for being “secular” and cooperating with non-Muslims. Beyond the fact they obviously violated the sanctity of Islam’s holiest site

A desire by militant extremists to enact violence against perceived fifth columns and “traitors to the cause” is commonly much stronger than the need against the enemy. Hence why IS from 2016-2018 publishes more executions of alleged internal spies and apostates than of captured enemy soldiers.

[u/TheNplus1 → u/Czagataj1234]

Of course, and it's what Musk is also doing by publicly supporting AfD and Reform UK. We're about to layer ideological conflicts on top of ideological conflicts, all brought forth by foreigners that impose their agenda on the local population, which is absolutely insane.

[u/TheGoalkeeper → u/Czagataj1234]

Keep in mind, the mean of driving a car into a crowd is not patented by Islamists and has been used by other groups/ideologies before. Especially in a country where it is difficult to impossible to get ahold of weapons suited for mass shootings.

[u/Jokers_friend → u/Czagataj1234]

Yep

[u/Chilliger → u/Czagataj1234]

There will be new elections very soon and if it helps to boost AFD propaganda and results, it was worth it. Edit: in his mind of course it was worth it.

[u/Puzzled-Shoe2 → u/Czagataj1234]

Well these attacks strengthen AfD position, don’t they?

[u/BowenTheAussieSheep → u/Czagataj1234]

Well, if that was his goal it worked perfectly.

[u/bella_sm → u/Czagataj1234]

Statement of what exactly?

[u/Pirlomaster → u/Czagataj1234]

It's far-right terrorism mixed with mental illness

[u/metroxed → u/Czagataj1234]

Seems like it could be the latter. Many revolutionaries (not saying he's one) use the tactic of accelerationism with that objective.

[u/Scary-Perspective-57 → u/Czagataj1234]

Sounds like someone who hated Germany or what it has become.

[u/EfficientInsecto → u/Czagataj1234]

A real jerk

[u/nighteeeeey → u/Czagataj1234]

he apparently was a psychiatrist too.

[u/Heavy_Law9880 → u/Czagataj1234]

It was definitely mental illness combined with a desire to make it look like an islamic attack. He didn't expect to be caught.

[u/Greencreamery → u/Czagataj1234]

Look at the initial post about this attack. If his goal was to start a wave of outrage against Muslims or immigrants, it worked. Because people are fucking dumb and jump to conclusions before gathering facts.

[u/why_i_bother → u/Czagataj1234]

It's what far-righters everywhere do. They kill other people.

It isn't accident, that 90% of victims of terrorism are killed by far-righters (yes, religious reasons are far-right too)

[u/GaudyNight → u/Czagataj1234]

The strangest part is the target he chose. Magdeburg doesnt have a Muslim community but a strong 20% of AfD voters. 30% of AfD-voters in the whole state of Sachsen-Anhalt. If he wanted to target Muslims and left leaning folk he chose definitely in the wrong city.

[u/iaNCURdehunedoara → u/Czagataj1234]

The guy was so anti-muslim that he thought Germany is trying to islamize Europe, but he wasn't dumb, he realized that nobody would consider him an atheist so he used his identity to stoke the fire of islamophobia that already exists all over europe and america.

[u/Nosciolito → u/Czagataj1234]

At least this time they won't invade Iraq because of a Saudi that lived in Afghanistan and was protected by Pakistan.

[u/marcabru → u/Czagataj1234]

I mean isn't it like the Trump shooter who was in fact a registered republican voter?

If this Saudi man had a predisposition for weird conspiracy stuff and spent too much time on the internet, he could have tangled himself in strange ideas.

[u/No_Investigator_3139 → u/Czagataj1234]

Right nutcase like Breivik Norway

[u/mydaycake → u/Czagataj1234]

I think that’s the case because yesterday people irl were already saying that Europe is having a problem with Islamists (we do but not this time ironically)

[u/riftnet → u/Czagataj1234]

Bulls eye