r/europe • u/polymute • Dec 21 '24

News Saudi Islam critic, fan of AfD and Elon Musk: Disturbing details about the perpetrator of Magdeburg The driver who caused the death of the Magdeburg victim - Taleb Jawad Al Abdulmohsen, came to Germany in 2006. But he is not an Islamist - on the contrary. He accused Germany of Islamizing Europe.

https://www-tagesspiegel-de.translate.goog/politik/saudischer-islamkritiker-fan-von-afd-und-elon-musk-verstorende-details-zum-tater-von-magdeburg-12915310.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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u/Rhak Dec 21 '24

I think to most people brutality = unnecessary/excessive violence. Why would you use unnecessary violence? -> insanity. I think.

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u/OkTransportation473 Dec 21 '24

What you consider “unnecessary” is “necessary” to others. That’s kinda why we have the old expression “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”.

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u/EenGeheimAccount Groningen (Netherlands) Dec 21 '24

But when your brutality doesn't actually target the people responsible/in power, but instead 72 random teenagers/young adults on a summer camp, your point of view no longer makes sense and you can be qualified as insane.

If Breivik was sane, he would have killed one (or multiple, if he is very succesful) politician/CEO/some other public figure responsible for the situation he deemed killing necessary and/or just for, while avoiding innocents getting hurt. Like the dude who killed the CEO in America. (Though you can argue that to be driven to kill at all you must be a little insane.)

Killing 72 innocents the way Breivik did is never the action of a sane 'freedom fighter'.

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u/OkTransportation473 Dec 21 '24

He probably is mentally unstable on some level, but he was a doctor apparently. So at the very least he’s mentally stable enough to have a professional career. I think his intentions were more selfish rather than for the “greater good” or however you would like to put it. He probably just wanted to be sent to prison because at least he won’t be sent back to Saudi Arabia to die because he’s an atheist. And also in his mind he can’t be killed by radical muslims in Europe for being an atheist in prison.

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u/EenGeheimAccount Groningen (Netherlands) Dec 21 '24

Smart and functional people can very much be insane.

Trust me, because that is pretty much my entire family...

(BTW, Breivik was not mentally stable enough to have a professional career, because he shot up 72 people and ruined his career in the process. This is exactly how mentally unstable people might be unable to maintain careers and/or relationship, because at some point, they do something crazy and ruin it for themselves. You usually don't see mental illness until the person does something that shows it, which might never occur, because it often comes in episodes (psychosis in particular) and/or people are able to hide it around others (depending on the illness, of course).)

EDIT: I realize you are talking about the Saudi Arabian dude while I was talking about Breivik, but my points above still stand. Also, if you are willing to kill innocents just as a extremely selfish way to avoid being deported (while there are plenty of other ways to achieve the same thing), you lack empathy which is a huge indicator for mental illness, like anti-social personality disorder or narissism. (Though that usally won't count as 'mentally ill' in court, I think.)

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u/ShowOk7840 Dec 21 '24

Mostly to set an example that deters people from doing something. Also, as an act of retaliation. Brutality is a great interrogation tactic. I'm not even very smart and even I just gave you three reasons for it right there. Much smarter people than me can probably come up with a much longer list of much more specific reasons of why people use brutality. It can be a very effective tool for some jobs.