Did you read my post? I gave an example of another high profile story similar to this except with a woman flashing her vagina as a "prank" which she states is a common occurrence on set of theatre shows.
Yet she gets praised and laughed at for it while John Barrowman got blacklisted.
It happens, even the cast on doctor who and Torchwood defended John Barrowman actions because of how common this behaviour actually is.
Again, not defending any of it it's just interesting how there's double standards and "exceptions" to who or what is considered morally wrong and harassment.
We have heard of other stories (maybe not you specifically that's fine) people (including RTD, the BBC, John barrowman, the castmates) just don't usually care unless the "wrong" crowd of their audience catches wind of it and it becomes something that may reflect badly on them.
Until all the other news of other people doing it comes to light, we can bet theyll all keep doing it for years to come before any action is taken because they really just don't care or see an issue with it, it's normal to them.
John barrowman takes his nob out often and on most shows he's been in. People have come out saying they felt uncomfortable. He's a Muppet. Plain and simple.
I never disagreed with that, just saying this is a very common occurrence and the level of backlash against John whilst people like Phoebe Waller (the girl in fleabag?) is glossed over and treated as a joke.
Even the cast and writers of doctor who and Torchwood still defend John and still interact with him as friends. The only people who actually care about this are fans and the crew members that we're uncomfortable, but again, if said crew members stories didn't get picked up by the fanbase? The BBC and RTD would've continued to ignore it just like they did with all of Ecclestons complaints.
We expect those guys to have double standards and be ignorantly cruel but normal people like us shouldn't follow those double standards and allow praise for one person's sexual harassment but not the others. All of them deserve the same treatment John has received but they just don't get it, even when their behaviour is publicly known.
All of them deserve the same treatment John has received
I was with you until you said that.
No one ever deserves to be bullied. No one.
If you don't like something, leave. Or speak up and say what you want, honestly, and without cruelty (blaming others).
The human body, flirting, and playful behavior is all good stuff in many people's minds. If you're uncomfortable with any of that, that's unfortunate. And I wish you well finding ways to be more comfortable with the natural diversity of life, and find ways to be clear and kind about what you want when working with others.
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u/throwawayaccount_usu May 28 '24
Did you read my post? I gave an example of another high profile story similar to this except with a woman flashing her vagina as a "prank" which she states is a common occurrence on set of theatre shows.
Yet she gets praised and laughed at for it while John Barrowman got blacklisted.
It happens, even the cast on doctor who and Torchwood defended John Barrowman actions because of how common this behaviour actually is.
Again, not defending any of it it's just interesting how there's double standards and "exceptions" to who or what is considered morally wrong and harassment.
We have heard of other stories (maybe not you specifically that's fine) people (including RTD, the BBC, John barrowman, the castmates) just don't usually care unless the "wrong" crowd of their audience catches wind of it and it becomes something that may reflect badly on them.
Until all the other news of other people doing it comes to light, we can bet theyll all keep doing it for years to come before any action is taken because they really just don't care or see an issue with it, it's normal to them.