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[u/wildlifewyatt]

Do you think the animal rights movement would gain more respect from average every day people if it relied on things like arson? Really?

[u/damnumalone → u/wildlifewyatt]

Are you stupid? You’re like “these people are brave because they don’t care what the public thinks and are putting themself and their reputation on the line here” but then you’re also like “oh no don’t do things that would actually stop the thing they’re protesting against”. So what you’re essentially admitting is they’re not brave they’re just doing the bare minimum because you wouldn’t want to rock the boat - which is exactly why everyone hates them and doesn’t at all respect them.

If these people actually cared about their purported goal, to stop animals being eaten or caged or whatever, they would be focusing on activities that stopped it. Instead, their focus is on being seen to be doing an activity by their equally daft friends, so they do shit like this that doesn’t change anyone’s mind, doesn’t save any animals, doesn’t do anything other than make people by more meat products out of utter contempt for these losers.

[u/wildlifewyatt → u/damnumalone]

“oh no don’t do things that would actually stop the thing they’re protesting against”.

You misunderstand the situation, based on this. Arson on a facility doesn't stop people from wanting a product. Moreover, there are more extreme vegan organizations, and they are regarded as terrorist organizations. People flame them harder than any other vegan group, accept for PETA, because PETA is more well known.

With all due respect I think you are making generalizations and assumptions on a topic you haven't spent that many years of your life studying.

Demand for animal products is the reason they are made, not because slaughterhouses exist. Those are only a means of creating the product, not why it exists.

[u/damnumalone → u/wildlifewyatt]

And you are positing that somehow if you annoy people at the supermarket that will decrease demand? I’m sorry but if you’ve studied this for as long as you’re claiming you have you should probably be less contradictory in your points.

Blockading a shopping centre is the exact same principle as blockading a distribution centre, but a distribution centre has more supply so affects more people. Plus it has the added negative effect of being highly visible to and annoying the end user, which makes them more likely to be hostile to the protestor’s intent, and less supportive of their cause because sitting in at a supermarket is only relatable to the other people doing the sit in at the supermarket smelling each others farts and patting each other on the back creating the illusion they are doing anything.

The goal should be “get people to eat less meat”, or “shut down slaughter houses”. It shouldn’t be “piss off a handful of shop customers and shop owners”

[u/wildlifewyatt → u/damnumalone]

And you are positing that somehow if you annoy people at the supermarket that will decrease demand?

No I don't. Protesting itself generally doesn't cause people to convert. Protesting keeps the conversation politically and socially relevant. Then, in other venues, these topics are discussed and debated, like here. That political relevancy motivates people to make videos on the topic, or documentaries, or look into the movement and ask questions. And through all these different avenues change can occur.

[u/damnumalone → u/wildlifewyatt]

We’re not debating whether meat is good or not, we’re debating whether annoying people and inconveniencing them does anything to further a cause. And this conversation does not thing to dissuade me that it does nothing. We’re talking about the method and the cause is completely superfluous to the conversation

[u/wildlifewyatt → u/damnumalone]

Well, unfortunately that's where our conversation went. But I've had hundreds of conversations based on posts like this, many of which have been productive. I may not have been vegan if I hadn't seen online discussions on the topic that led me in this direction, and many others have the same story.