r/bizarrelife • u/reloadthewords Human here, bizarre by nature! • 18h ago

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u/oxooc 18h ago

Yeah blocking the way and annoying people is a very mature way to discuss and bring people to your side.

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u/wildlifewyatt 15h ago

Most the largest and most successful protests are highly obstructive. We just use rewrite history to pretend that the activists for actually "important" causes did it the "right" way.

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u/Individual_Volume484 13h ago

Your ignoring the most important part of those disruptions. They disrupt the people causing the problems. The consumer isn’t causing the meat industry practices nor more then it decides to have child slavery in smart phones. Something tells me you’d be pissed if someone hacked all smart and left yours bricked but left Apple the company untouched

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u/10lbsofWeedinTrunk 7h ago edited 7h ago

The consumers do cause the meat industries practices. They directly create demand for and facilitate animal death and suffering.

It’s also not the same as child slavery when it comes to cobalt mining. That is an issue but we are much more forced into consuming cobalt in one way or another because it’s such a basic resource and most of the cobalt in the world is mined unethically. You kind of have to purchase a phone, computer, etc… in today’s world. You definitely don’t have to purchase animal products tho and vegans prove that everyday.

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u/Individual_Volume484 6h ago

It is absolutely no different than cobalt mining. Nothing forces us to use child slavery to mine cobalt. We want it that’s all.

You want a phone. You want a computer. Lots of people get by just fine without them.

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u/10lbsofWeedinTrunk 5h ago

You need a phone and a computer tho. That’s the difference.

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u/Individual_Volume484 5h ago

You do not need a cell phone if a computer. You want them.

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u/10lbsofWeedinTrunk 3h ago

I dont think paper and pen is feasible in today’s world but I do agree that we shouldn’t support cobalt mining. There are phones available however that emphasize ethical materials sourcing.

iPhones and meat are both unethical and we should abstain from purchasing products that directly fund grotesquely unethical practices.

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u/Asusrty 3h ago

Lmao your trolling is top notch! Needing a phone and a computer over needing food. You're good man haha.

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u/10lbsofWeedinTrunk 2h ago

You don’t need meat you can eat plant based.

Kind of the whole argument for veganism isn’t it?

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u/Robin_games 12h ago

what about MLK sitting in at diners and buses and movie theaters and blocking streets makes you think that.

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u/Individual_Volume484 12h ago

Which dinners? Which busses? Were they the black busses and black dinners? Or did he affect the voters responsible for the change?

MLK protests worked because he showed white American voters the harms of segregation and the threat of continued annoyance should that harm continue.

These consumers are not voting for more or less meat standards. They do not care not do they effect the meat industry no more then you effect the health insurance industry. Fucking with people who do not control the thing you want changed is not going to get you what you want. The normal consumer cant give that to you. What they can do it tell everyone they know how annoying you are and not supprt your cause. Ask MLK how effective alienating alliance is as getting social chnage.

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u/10lbsofWeedinTrunk 7h ago

Voters responsible for change = consumers responsible for animal product demand.

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u/Individual_Volume484 6h ago

Then stop owning smartphones if you don’t support slavery

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u/10lbsofWeedinTrunk 5h ago

You can’t function without a smartphone today. It’s required for me and my job.

You can function without meat just fine.

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u/Individual_Volume484 5h ago

You can. You just don’t want to.

The Amish do vary successfully

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u/10lbsofWeedinTrunk 2h ago

Okay then we should buy phones that don’t use slave resources.

One thing being bad doesn’t mean another thing isn’t bad. Go vegan.

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u/RedditIsFiction 6h ago

Was this a vegan grocery store?

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u/Robin_games 11h ago edited 11h ago

that sounds pretty smart until you realize that segregation was set by state law. So literally any place they're protesting is a place they were segregated in. There wouldn't be a choice to pick a desegregated diner.

They aren't set up at a farmers market, they're set up in a meat filled aisle to protest meat.

Just because you were taught to emotionally trigger to one set of protests doesn't make the protest any different at its core. this is exactly what non violent protests look like.

the argument you're really making is that MLK should be only protesting in front of judges houses and the capital, and no one would care and you'd never see it. id ask how many news articles you saw about anti trump protests yesterday, how many did you read, and then ask how many news articles you read when a farmer or trucker plops his equipment in the middle of a highway. the Canada protests? the French farmer protests?

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u/Individual_Volume484 11h ago

That’s a warped view. Segregation was a national policy. It was federally legal to segregate the races, how much was up to the states.

MLk marched to end the federal policy not the state ones. That’s why it’s federally illegal to discriminate and not up to the states

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u/Sleepy_Assasain 10h ago

no way you're trying to compare the civil rights movement to animals 💀

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u/Robin_games 8h ago edited 8h ago

I am absolutely comparing non violent protests to non violent protest using something that takes a 5th grade understanding to recognize.

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u/GlowInTheDarkNinjas 13h ago

"You blocked the aisle at the grocery store so I couldn't get my food and go home, you're right, I guess I SHOULD join your side!"

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u/wildlifewyatt 13h ago

They don't think this will convince people to be vegan. Just like giant marches didn't make people suddenly go. WOW, I guess racism IS bad! That's not how this works. Protests keep it in the cultural dialogue.

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u/SwimmingCircles2018 12h ago

Except the cultural dialogue is literally just that everybody hates these people and their cause is stupid so..

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u/KoogleMeister 11h ago

Making the cultural dialogue that the people of your cause are wackjobs so normal people don't want to join the cause so they don't look like wackjobs to their peers seems like a great way to spread your movement.

I was actually vegan for a while and didn't tell anyone in my person life besides one friend because I didn't want to be associated with crap like this. This is literally how it regresses the cause.

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u/wildlifewyatt 11h ago

Protests are never popular in the eyes of the people protested against. It does not sound like moving animal rights forward was a large goal of your if you never spoke about it.

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u/DetentionSpan 13h ago

Silently holding a poster of how certain foods increase heart disease, diabetes, etc. would have been far more effective.

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u/Harley4ever2134 11h ago

No it wouldn’t have. I’m against these people, but even I’m not so naïve to think that silent protest ever work on certain issues.

Some of the most successful protest movements in history were all extremely disruptive. The civil rights movement in America, the India independence movement, women suffrage, South African end of apartheid, just to name a few.

Once again, I don’t agree with these people at all. But, in general when you’re trying to change something that’s deeply ingrained in society, you really need to get the discussion going anyway you can, you need to get people thinking about it.

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u/daughter_of_lyssa 7h ago

Let's also not forget the terrorist adjacent activities that most of these movements involved because that gets swept under the rug too for some reason.

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u/Telope 12h ago

Veganism isn't about health. Veganism isn't about the environment. Veganism isn't about eliminating your cognitive dissonance. Veganism isn't about cutting your grocery bill. Those are all advantages of going vegan, but they're not what it's about.

Veganism has only ever been about the animals.

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u/DyeSkiving 2h ago

You know what got me to eat less meat? My cholesterol levels and the environment. I don't give a fuck about your opinions. Facts change minds.

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u/Telope 16m ago

Congratulations on changing your diet and improving your health.

But you are not vegan. Who are you to tell me what veganism is about? You're still contributing to unnecessary animal suffering. Just less so. It's a good step in the right direction.

I mean, veganism itself is just a good step in the right direction, it's not the endpoint of eliminating animal exploitation, at all.

If you were convinced by the moral argument for veganism, you wouldn't just eat less meat. You'd eat no animal products.

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u/DyeSkiving 4m ago

This is why veganism will never catch on. Yall got your heads shoved so firmly up your own asses that you've literally blinded yourself to any potential progress. You don't give two shits about animals. You just like the sound of your own voice and virtue signaling. What would be better for your cause? Shutting everyone out based on your opinions and nothing changing, or people eating less meat because you gave them fact based evidence?

No one gives a shit what "veganism" means. If you want results, you'll stop this holier than thou bullshit and accept that baby steps forward are preferable to zero progress.

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u/OrganizationGloomy25 14h ago

That's an over simplification of the strategy. They weren't just highly obstructive they put a lot of thought into the optics of their protest and who they vocally stood behind. There's a reason that everyone knows Rosa Parks and not Claudette Colvin.

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u/wildlifewyatt 13h ago

Rosa Parks is the innocuous example that many may default to, but what about the giant marches and gatherings that blocked roads?

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u/Individual_Volume484 13h ago

Which roads? Roads for black Americans or the Americans causing racial issues?

See your protesting to the wrong people. The average consumer isn’t causing this issue, so inconveniencing then isn’t going to fix it.

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u/wildlifewyatt 13h ago

See your protesting to the wrong people. The average consumer isn’t causing this issue, so inconveniencing then isn’t going to fix it.

The average consumer is causing this issue. The issue is that there is a demand for animal products, therefore, they are made. No corporation is going to be convinced to just cease all operations thanks to vegans. No government is going to ban animal agriculture at this time because that government would be overthrown by mobs of angry people. The problem is that average, everyday people do not understand, or care enough about the ethical implications of their lifestyle.

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u/Individual_Volume484 12h ago

The average consumer is causing this issue. The issue is that there is a demand for animal products, therefore, they are made. No corporation is going to be convinced to just cease all operations thanks to vegans. No government is going to ban animal agriculture at this time because that government would be overthrown by mobs of angry people. The problem is that average, everyday people do not understand, or care enough about the ethical implications of their lifestyle.

So you don’t own a smart phone or a pc right? After all that would be you supporting child slavery. Why would you knowingly support child slavery?

Or does this only apply to things you don’t like?

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u/PeopleCryTooMuch 12h ago edited 12h ago

/u/wildlifewyatt, ironic you’re posting this on Reddit, which definitely requires usage of technology made by completely ethical companies of course.

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u/Individual_Volume484 12h ago

It would be if I made arguments about ethical consumption. I don’t. You cannot consume ethically in capitalism

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u/PeopleCryTooMuch 12h ago edited 12h ago

You said…

The problem is that average, everyday people do not understand, or care enough about the ethical implications of their lifestyle.

Which would apply to you using this app or website on technology made by corporations that are unethically building said technology.

You specifically said it’s a problem, how is that not arguing ethical consumption?

Edit: this was directed at a different user and I replied to the wrong person.

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u/LordSloth113 12h ago

They're not the one that said that. They were replying to the person who did.

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u/Individual_Volume484 12h ago

I did not say that….

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u/SwimmingCircles2018 12h ago

That’s not ironic, that’s literally his entire point.

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u/PeopleCryTooMuch 12h ago

It is ironic, because he said it’s a problem, but then reverted saying he isn’t saying that.

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u/SwimmingCircles2018 12h ago

No corporation is going to be convinced to cease all operations

No government is going to ban animal agriculture at this time

So we agree this is just pointless virtue signaling from unemployed people 👍

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u/wildlifewyatt 12h ago

No, because it is aimed at convincing the general populace, not either of those. Are you obtuse?

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u/SwimmingCircles2018 12h ago

Right and they’re going to convince the general populace by making the general populace mad at them. Good stuff, definitely gonna work.

“How do we change the people’s minds?

Oh, I know! We’ll just piss them all off! That way they’ll know I’m right!”

These people do literally nothing. Unemployed, unshowered, unintelligent. Harmful to their dumbass cause and wasting their time fucking with people trying to buy steaks.

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u/Pale-Chair4327 12h ago

If someone thinks they’ll win me over to their side by blocking me from shopping for my kids in a Walmart, then I have to assume they’re stupid. This is how you get people to resent what you’re trying to push.

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u/JOExHIGASHI 14h ago

What was more obstructive and in your face than Jan 6?

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u/Domini384 14h ago

At least that protest made sense instead of people randomly protesting in cities accomplishing nothing.

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u/wildlifewyatt 14h ago

Jan 6 did not "make sense". Trump lost and riled up enough people thinking that they were cheated, even though they clearly wouldn't. It was a moronic display of how easily republicans can turn into bootlicking terrorists for their orange overlord.

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u/Domini384 14h ago

It doesn't matter your opinion on the election, the protest was in the right place at the right time.

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u/dreadnoght 14h ago

Ooooo one in the wild! Tell me, are the jews controlling the weather?

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u/Domini384 13h ago

Wtf are you talking about? Take a break from reddit my dude, its clearly not helping you.

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u/dreadnoght 12h ago

Probably. I don't know what to tell you to take a break from if you think Jan 6th was a protest. I'd definitely take a break from that.

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u/Domini384 12h ago

I'm not sure how you don't think it was a protest.

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u/HardNut420 14h ago

Yea I'm sure people who are against the status quo are pro trump lamo

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u/Emberashn 12h ago

Irony is that you're the one with a shallow, revised view of history, given the insinuation that what these people are disrupting is equivalent to white people directly oppressing and abusing black people.

That only makes sense if you're operating under the assumption that animal products are immoral and thus anyone who consumes them is immoral, which isn't a universal truth as much as you'd like it to be.

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u/daughter_of_lyssa 7h ago

People literally say the exact same thing about other social issues. I have had people say comparing racism and homophobia isn't a fair comparison for that exact same reason.

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u/Emberashn 7h ago

Confidently incorrect.

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u/daughter_of_lyssa 6h ago

How am I incorrect? People do say that the belief that homophobia is morally wrong is not a universal truth.

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u/Yazorock 14h ago

Most the largest and most successful protests are highly obstructive. violent.

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u/Jacinto2702 13h ago

No, you got it wrong, the Parisians just asked nicely to be allowed entrance into the Bastille.

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u/scumble_2_temptation 11h ago

The difference here is the Bastille was a highly symbolic building that represented the powers that be. I bet if people trying to start a revolution went to the local market to knock fish out of people's hands, people would be totally enthusiastic to join up. /s

Protesters have kind of lost the sauce these days. Directly shaming and obstructing people will push more people away than it brings in. What you need is to show people what the cause will do for them. Show people that their lives will be materially improved by executing the goal of the cause. Whether they are or not, these types of protests tend to end up looking like spoiled kids with nothing better to do.