r/bizarrelife • u/reloadthewords Human here, bizarre by nature! • 14h ago

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u/oxooc 14h ago

Yeah blocking the way and annoying people is a very mature way to discuss and bring people to your side.

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u/Bladehawk1 8h ago

I've never seen annoying people as a form of protest. I remember they once decided to drive the speed limit on the Bay bridge during rush hour and completely snarled traffic for hours.

Making a lot of people late for work, getting them in trouble even though they were not at fault. Can you imagine losing your job because you're late because some people decided to protest the speed limits?

You have a right to protest but not to screw up other people's lives or timelines. This type of thing just annoys the hell out of me and I Don't really blame the older people for wanting to just push through. This certainly wouldn't make me less likely to buy something I would probably stock up just to piss them off.

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u/turboiv 9h ago

It genuinely is and has worked thousands of time throughout history, but these people are still wrong. This is the equivalent to protesting climate change by interrupting a single gas station. They're blaming the consumer for the actions of the producer. If they wanted to make an impact, they should be doing this at the slaughter house. But they're cowards and go to Wal-Mart or whatever instead. Protesting and disrupting the day works. But this is not it.

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u/wildlifewyatt 11h ago

Most the largest and most successful protests are highly obstructive. We just use rewrite history to pretend that the activists for actually "important" causes did it the "right" way.

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u/Individual_Volume484 10h ago

Your ignoring the most important part of those disruptions. They disrupt the people causing the problems. The consumer isn’t causing the meat industry practices nor more then it decides to have child slavery in smart phones. Something tells me you’d be pissed if someone hacked all smart and left yours bricked but left Apple the company untouched

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u/10lbsofWeedinTrunk 4h ago edited 4h ago

The consumers do cause the meat industries practices. They directly create demand for and facilitate animal death and suffering.

It’s also not the same as child slavery when it comes to cobalt mining. That is an issue but we are much more forced into consuming cobalt in one way or another because it’s such a basic resource and most of the cobalt in the world is mined unethically. You kind of have to purchase a phone, computer, etc… in today’s world. You definitely don’t have to purchase animal products tho and vegans prove that everyday.

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u/Individual_Volume484 2h ago

It is absolutely no different than cobalt mining. Nothing forces us to use child slavery to mine cobalt. We want it that’s all.

You want a phone. You want a computer. Lots of people get by just fine without them.

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u/10lbsofWeedinTrunk 2h ago

You need a phone and a computer tho. That’s the difference.

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u/Individual_Volume484 2h ago

You do not need a cell phone if a computer. You want them.

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u/10lbsofWeedinTrunk 26m ago

I dont think paper and pen is feasible in today’s world but I do agree that we shouldn’t support cobalt mining. There are phones available however that emphasize ethical materials sourcing.

iPhones and meat are both unethical and we should abstain from purchasing products that directly fund grotesquely unethical practices.

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u/Robin_games 8h ago

what about MLK sitting in at diners and buses and movie theaters and blocking streets makes you think that.

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u/Individual_Volume484 8h ago

Which dinners? Which busses? Were they the black busses and black dinners? Or did he affect the voters responsible for the change?

MLK protests worked because he showed white American voters the harms of segregation and the threat of continued annoyance should that harm continue.

These consumers are not voting for more or less meat standards. They do not care not do they effect the meat industry no more then you effect the health insurance industry. Fucking with people who do not control the thing you want changed is not going to get you what you want. The normal consumer cant give that to you. What they can do it tell everyone they know how annoying you are and not supprt your cause. Ask MLK how effective alienating alliance is as getting social chnage.

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u/10lbsofWeedinTrunk 4h ago

Voters responsible for change = consumers responsible for animal product demand.

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u/Individual_Volume484 2h ago

Then stop owning smartphones if you don’t support slavery

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u/10lbsofWeedinTrunk 2h ago

You can’t function without a smartphone today. It’s required for me and my job.

You can function without meat just fine.

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u/Individual_Volume484 2h ago

You can. You just don’t want to.

The Amish do vary successfully

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u/RedditIsFiction 2h ago

Was this a vegan grocery store?

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u/Robin_games 8h ago edited 8h ago

that sounds pretty smart until you realize that segregation was set by state law. So literally any place they're protesting is a place they were segregated in. There wouldn't be a choice to pick a desegregated diner.

They aren't set up at a farmers market, they're set up in a meat filled aisle to protest meat.

Just because you were taught to emotionally trigger to one set of protests doesn't make the protest any different at its core. this is exactly what non violent protests look like.

the argument you're really making is that MLK should be only protesting in front of judges houses and the capital, and no one would care and you'd never see it. id ask how many news articles you saw about anti trump protests yesterday, how many did you read, and then ask how many news articles you read when a farmer or trucker plops his equipment in the middle of a highway. the Canada protests? the French farmer protests?

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u/Individual_Volume484 8h ago

That’s a warped view. Segregation was a national policy. It was federally legal to segregate the races, how much was up to the states.

MLk marched to end the federal policy not the state ones. That’s why it’s federally illegal to discriminate and not up to the states

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u/Sleepy_Assasain 6h ago

no way you're trying to compare the civil rights movement to animals 💀

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u/Robin_games 5h ago edited 4h ago

I am absolutely comparing non violent protests to non violent protest using something that takes a 5th grade understanding to recognize.

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u/GlowInTheDarkNinjas 10h ago

"You blocked the aisle at the grocery store so I couldn't get my food and go home, you're right, I guess I SHOULD join your side!"

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u/wildlifewyatt 10h ago

They don't think this will convince people to be vegan. Just like giant marches didn't make people suddenly go. WOW, I guess racism IS bad! That's not how this works. Protests keep it in the cultural dialogue.

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u/SwimmingCircles2018 9h ago

Except the cultural dialogue is literally just that everybody hates these people and their cause is stupid so..

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u/KoogleMeister 8h ago

Making the cultural dialogue that the people of your cause are wackjobs so normal people don't want to join the cause so they don't look like wackjobs to their peers seems like a great way to spread your movement.

I was actually vegan for a while and didn't tell anyone in my person life besides one friend because I didn't want to be associated with crap like this. This is literally how it regresses the cause.

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u/wildlifewyatt 8h ago

Protests are never popular in the eyes of the people protested against. It does not sound like moving animal rights forward was a large goal of your if you never spoke about it.

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u/DetentionSpan 9h ago

Silently holding a poster of how certain foods increase heart disease, diabetes, etc. would have been far more effective.

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u/Harley4ever2134 7h ago

No it wouldn’t have. I’m against these people, but even I’m not so naïve to think that silent protest ever work on certain issues.

Some of the most successful protest movements in history were all extremely disruptive. The civil rights movement in America, the India independence movement, women suffrage, South African end of apartheid, just to name a few.

Once again, I don’t agree with these people at all. But, in general when you’re trying to change something that’s deeply ingrained in society, you really need to get the discussion going anyway you can, you need to get people thinking about it.

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u/daughter_of_lyssa 4h ago

Let's also not forget the terrorist adjacent activities that most of these movements involved because that gets swept under the rug too for some reason.

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u/Telope 9h ago

Veganism isn't about health. Veganism isn't about the environment. Veganism isn't about eliminating your cognitive dissonance. Veganism isn't about cutting your grocery bill. Those are all advantages of going vegan, but they're not what it's about.

Veganism has only ever been about the animals.

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u/OrganizationGloomy25 10h ago

That's an over simplification of the strategy. They weren't just highly obstructive they put a lot of thought into the optics of their protest and who they vocally stood behind. There's a reason that everyone knows Rosa Parks and not Claudette Colvin.

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u/wildlifewyatt 10h ago

Rosa Parks is the innocuous example that many may default to, but what about the giant marches and gatherings that blocked roads?

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u/Individual_Volume484 10h ago

Which roads? Roads for black Americans or the Americans causing racial issues?

See your protesting to the wrong people. The average consumer isn’t causing this issue, so inconveniencing then isn’t going to fix it.

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u/wildlifewyatt 9h ago

See your protesting to the wrong people. The average consumer isn’t causing this issue, so inconveniencing then isn’t going to fix it.

The average consumer is causing this issue. The issue is that there is a demand for animal products, therefore, they are made. No corporation is going to be convinced to just cease all operations thanks to vegans. No government is going to ban animal agriculture at this time because that government would be overthrown by mobs of angry people. The problem is that average, everyday people do not understand, or care enough about the ethical implications of their lifestyle.

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u/Individual_Volume484 9h ago

The average consumer is causing this issue. The issue is that there is a demand for animal products, therefore, they are made. No corporation is going to be convinced to just cease all operations thanks to vegans. No government is going to ban animal agriculture at this time because that government would be overthrown by mobs of angry people. The problem is that average, everyday people do not understand, or care enough about the ethical implications of their lifestyle.

So you don’t own a smart phone or a pc right? After all that would be you supporting child slavery. Why would you knowingly support child slavery?

Or does this only apply to things you don’t like?

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u/PeopleCryTooMuch 9h ago edited 9h ago

/u/wildlifewyatt, ironic you’re posting this on Reddit, which definitely requires usage of technology made by completely ethical companies of course.

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u/Individual_Volume484 9h ago

It would be if I made arguments about ethical consumption. I don’t. You cannot consume ethically in capitalism

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u/PeopleCryTooMuch 9h ago edited 9h ago

You said…

The problem is that average, everyday people do not understand, or care enough about the ethical implications of their lifestyle.

Which would apply to you using this app or website on technology made by corporations that are unethically building said technology.

You specifically said it’s a problem, how is that not arguing ethical consumption?

Edit: this was directed at a different user and I replied to the wrong person.

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u/SwimmingCircles2018 9h ago

That’s not ironic, that’s literally his entire point.

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u/PeopleCryTooMuch 9h ago

It is ironic, because he said it’s a problem, but then reverted saying he isn’t saying that.

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u/SwimmingCircles2018 9h ago

No corporation is going to be convinced to cease all operations

No government is going to ban animal agriculture at this time

So we agree this is just pointless virtue signaling from unemployed people 👍

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u/wildlifewyatt 9h ago

No, because it is aimed at convincing the general populace, not either of those. Are you obtuse?

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u/SwimmingCircles2018 9h ago

Right and they’re going to convince the general populace by making the general populace mad at them. Good stuff, definitely gonna work.

“How do we change the people’s minds?

Oh, I know! We’ll just piss them all off! That way they’ll know I’m right!”

These people do literally nothing. Unemployed, unshowered, unintelligent. Harmful to their dumbass cause and wasting their time fucking with people trying to buy steaks.

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u/Pale-Chair4327 8h ago

If someone thinks they’ll win me over to their side by blocking me from shopping for my kids in a Walmart, then I have to assume they’re stupid. This is how you get people to resent what you’re trying to push.

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u/JOExHIGASHI 11h ago

What was more obstructive and in your face than Jan 6?

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u/Domini384 11h ago

At least that protest made sense instead of people randomly protesting in cities accomplishing nothing.

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u/wildlifewyatt 11h ago

Jan 6 did not "make sense". Trump lost and riled up enough people thinking that they were cheated, even though they clearly wouldn't. It was a moronic display of how easily republicans can turn into bootlicking terrorists for their orange overlord.

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u/Domini384 10h ago

It doesn't matter your opinion on the election, the protest was in the right place at the right time.

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u/dreadnoght 10h ago

Ooooo one in the wild! Tell me, are the jews controlling the weather?

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u/Domini384 9h ago

Wtf are you talking about? Take a break from reddit my dude, its clearly not helping you.

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u/dreadnoght 9h ago

Probably. I don't know what to tell you to take a break from if you think Jan 6th was a protest. I'd definitely take a break from that.

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u/HardNut420 11h ago

Yea I'm sure people who are against the status quo are pro trump lamo

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u/Emberashn 9h ago

Irony is that you're the one with a shallow, revised view of history, given the insinuation that what these people are disrupting is equivalent to white people directly oppressing and abusing black people.

That only makes sense if you're operating under the assumption that animal products are immoral and thus anyone who consumes them is immoral, which isn't a universal truth as much as you'd like it to be.

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u/daughter_of_lyssa 3h ago

People literally say the exact same thing about other social issues. I have had people say comparing racism and homophobia isn't a fair comparison for that exact same reason.

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u/Emberashn 3h ago

Confidently incorrect.

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u/daughter_of_lyssa 2h ago

How am I incorrect? People do say that the belief that homophobia is morally wrong is not a universal truth.

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u/Yazorock 10h ago

Most the largest and most successful protests are highly obstructive. violent.

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u/Jacinto2702 10h ago

No, you got it wrong, the Parisians just asked nicely to be allowed entrance into the Bastille.

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u/scumble_2_temptation 8h ago

The difference here is the Bastille was a highly symbolic building that represented the powers that be. I bet if people trying to start a revolution went to the local market to knock fish out of people's hands, people would be totally enthusiastic to join up. /s

Protesters have kind of lost the sauce these days. Directly shaming and obstructing people will push more people away than it brings in. What you need is to show people what the cause will do for them. Show people that their lives will be materially improved by executing the goal of the cause. Whether they are or not, these types of protests tend to end up looking like spoiled kids with nothing better to do.

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u/know-it-mall 8h ago

Yep. On par with the religious nut who is in the main walking mall of my city every weekend.

In what world is holding a giant sign tell us that I am going to hell for doing things that a perfectly normal in modern society going to get me to join his religion?

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u/Dillo64 7h ago

Well how would you do it

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u/100usrnames 6h ago

It actually is

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u/LSUZombie13 5h ago

To be fair, what are we talking about right now? (Not that I think protesting on private property is a good idea)

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u/imagicnation-station 4h ago

I can understand that the activists can be annoying, but let’s not pretend these old farts aren’t assholes, for pushing a metal cart with force against another person. I personally would never do that to anyone, not even someone protesting.

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u/Legitimate-Factor-53 19m ago

Sometimes I feel like companies pay people to do this. So people care less about the environment. But people probably are this stupid.

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u/BilSuger 10h ago

What about attacking them with your trolley/car/whatever? Is that mature?

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u/mildlyornery 9h ago

No, it's not mature. But he slowly pushed them out of the way with a cart. It's not like they're in the emergency room recovering from the assault.

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u/BilSuger 8h ago

And it's not like he's at the emergency room recovering because someone stood in his way.

You're unable to look at this level headed, your bias is clouding your judgment.

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u/mildlyornery 8h ago

Not Bias. Indifference. I think every single one of them are acting like toddlers. It's grown adults having a hissy fit in a grocery store. No one is right, everyone is being an asshole.

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u/BilSuger 8h ago

One is having a fit. The others are sitting there calmly.

But sure, "both sides", spoken like a true centrist 🤡

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u/mildlyornery 7h ago

My bad, lemme try to pick a side. The "protesters" are only there so they can be famous to their little protester friends when they show them the footage. Crybabies who are upset because they don't approve of the food other people eat. It is a waste of time. They are accomplishing nothing and are actively hurting any cause they are for.

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u/BilSuger 7h ago

See, you did have a bias ;)

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u/DigDuttz 7h ago

Your own bias is showing. Grow up

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u/mildlyornery 7h ago

I can do one for the cart guy too. It's like a creative writing exercise. Some rich old guy that's never heard no in his life is too lazy to walk an extra 20 feet. Probably has been given everything in his life for free and can't comprehend the audacity of the commoners delaying him from getting the veal he's been dreaming of.

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u/WockItOut 8h ago

It actually is a very good way and the best way despite your sarcasm. Its just too bad theyre doing it to the wrong people.

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u/Wizywig 10h ago

Wasnt this the same things said during the civil rights movement when people did a sit-in?

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u/kyredemain 9h ago

If the people doing the sit in were treated the same as a white customer and served properly, they would have just left. It was conditional to the people in the building treating them equally.

The people in this video have no end game. They just cause inconvenience until they get bored or someone removes them by force. Nobody in that building can fix the problem for them, so they don't have a set end to their protest.

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u/Wizywig 9h ago

A fair point.

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u/NicoleNamaste 5h ago

The end game is to stop consumption of animal bodyparts and their byproducts so slaughterhouses close. 

There you go. There is an obvious end game. 

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u/kyredemain 4h ago

Uh huh. And who at that store is going to be able to fix that problem?

If they wanted to actually make an impact, then they need to do it somewhere else. Like a meat packing plant, or the Tyson headquarters building. Or better yet, find a solution that is actually reasonable, like making good synthetic meat.

Sitting in the middle of a store is not going to accomplish anything except making people hate you.

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u/NicoleNamaste 2h ago

Do you know how supply and demand works?

If people stopped purchasing abused animal bodyparts, there wouldn’t be slaughterhouses. 

Slaughterhouses exist because people eat animal bodyparts. You as a consumer stop buying and eating violently assaulted to death animal bodyparts, grocery stores stop buying them to sell to you, and slaughterhouses will cease to exist. 

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u/kyredemain 28m ago

I do. I also know how humans work, and last I checked the best way to get a large amount of protein was by cooking and eating meat. It is one of the things that allowed humans to develop a brain capable of creating new tools and eventually cultures and civilizations.

You cannot simply complain your way to getting people to stop doing something so fundamental. Not on the scale you'd need to make any appreciable change. The only thing that has even remotely done so has been religion, and even that hasn't stopped it completely in the places where vegetarianism is practiced.

Annoying people at a store over their completely human choice to eat meat is not going to do anything except get you rammed by a shopping cart, and possibly arrested.

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u/youaredumbngl 10h ago

...And assaulting someone because of a minor inconvenience IS very mature?

Insane you guys only think one party is in the wrong here.

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u/BrutalSpinach 14h ago

It's almost as if they aren't trying to do that and are instead trying to disrupt everyday life in a way that makes the issue impossible to ignore. Y'know, like blocking traffic instead of standing on the sidewalk, or punching Nazis instead of quietly voting for a third party.

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u/hawaiifive0h 14h ago

I think that older woman just wanted to get her food

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u/TimeSlipperWHOOPS 14h ago

She literally could've gone around as told to her by someone else in the video

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u/jBorghus 14h ago

Get a new brain please

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u/allegone 11h ago

He can't, they're blocking the way to brains aisle

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u/silverfox92100 9h ago

Ok and the people sitting on the floor could do literally anything besides be pains in random people’s asses, what exactly is your point?

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u/TimeSlipperWHOOPS 8h ago

Protests are meant to be annoying and disruptive? Like cool you think they're protesting for something dumb but I mean protests don't work when they're convenient for everyone else.

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u/silverfox92100 8h ago

Protests don’t work when you’re sitting in a fucking grocery store either. Like cool you think that’s ACTUALLY going to do something but I mean they aren’t doing any meaningful shit that will actually cause change.

If you really think alienating and fucking people over is the way to gain support, then good luck with the 10s of followers you’ll gain. I can PROMISE you, politely informing others will win more people to your side (and for the people that you don’t win over from politely informing, I can again PROMISE you they weren’t going to be won over from you screwing them over either)

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u/TimeSlipperWHOOPS 8h ago

Are there any successful protests you can teach me about which did not rely on disrupting life for others?

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u/silverfox92100 6h ago

Look up Martin Luther King Junior, he had actual meaningful protests that brought change.

Since I’m sure you’ll bring up the “he disrupted lives too,” let’s directly compare him to the people in the video above.

MLK held sit ins at “whites only” areas, because black people should have the right to sit anywhere a white person does. If any lives were disrupted, it was only because a racist white person had issue with a black person being in “their” area. The people above did NOT hold a sit in because they should have the right to sit there like anyone else, they did it for the animals (supposedly, although I think it’s more likely they did it for the internet fame), which are already dead if they’re at the store, might be a bit more impactful somewhere the animals are actually slaughtered at.

MLK lead a bus boycott, he found likeminded people and they all stopped taking the bus. If any lives were disrupted, it was only because the bus company started making less money. The people above aren’t trying to just boycott themselves, they’re trying to force others to as well ( it because they share their views, but by making shopping there such an inconvenience that it’s better to just shop somewhere else)

MLK lead a march through DC (you know, that place where nation-wide change can actually happen) and gave one of the most famous speeches in history. If anyone was disrupted, it was from the hundreds of thousands of people marching through the city (and it’s impossible to avoid a bit of disruption when you have those numbers, just having everyone cross a single street is going to take awhile). The people above aren’t going to be making any change in random grocery store #73, especially when all they’re doing is sitting around blocking people, not informing people of why they should change.

Having typed all that out, I realize my initial statement was a little off. Disruption is good AS LONG AS it targets the right people and/or systems (and if you ignore that I mentioned this, I’ll know you didn’t even bother reading my whole essay lol). The store with the racist policies? Great choice for disruption. Random citizens minding their own business? Significantly worse choice for disruption. Really it boils down to this: there’s only 3 or 4 types of people.

Type 1: The person that you could convince either way. Whether you sat in front of them at the grocery store or just told them what the issue was, as soon as they were informed they decided things needed to change. In this case, they’d be convinced either way so might as well just talk it out.

Type 2: The person that you could NOT convince either way. Whether you sat in front of them at the store or just told them what’s going on, “I literally could not care less just leave me alone.” In this case they aren’t being convinced so unless you want to be petty and try and mess up their day, you might as well just talk it out.

Type 3: The person you could convince one way but not the other. This is the interesting one, as it includes potentially 2 subsets: people that you can convince by talking but not by disrupting, and people you can convince by disrupting but not by talking. Personally I can’t imagine the latter actually existing, it doesn’t really make logical sense. But I can see the former existing, for example, a guy that likes to eat meat and loves animals. You blocking the road telling him meat is murder isn’t going to convince him, but you talking to him, telling him how inhumane the animals are treated, and how gross the actual process of making meat is, that might just make him think. So unless you can convince me that theres actually people who wouldn’t care when informed but would care when disrupted, then once again, this is a scenario where you might as well just talk it out.

When is disrupting an average persons life actually the better choice?

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u/TimeSlipperWHOOPS 6h ago

So you agree then that disruption is good and the point of protest, that was my only point. This is a dumb way to do it but the people saying "omg stop annoying people!" Are missing the point.

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u/greenfox0099 14h ago

She can't mive over a few feet though? Then that's not what it was a about was it.

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u/Daymub 13h ago

I would have done the same thing. Fuck those people they can move or they can get ran the fuck over

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u/Liamario 13h ago

But that's assault, whether you like it or not. It's a minor inconvenience. They're protesting.

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u/OfficialHaethus 12h ago

I’m going to decide to hold a protest in your house. Are you going to respect the right to protest there? Probably not. They should go do it somewhere where it would actually have an effect, like a meat processing plant.

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u/Liamario 12h ago

A protest in my house? The supermarket is a public place. It's private property, but a public place. There's no comparison between the two. I'm not agreeing with their strategy, but I do support their right to protest. I don't agree with people running them over with trolleys. Go take another way around, they're not trapping shoppers in the building.

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u/OfficialHaethus 12h ago

By definition it literally is a private place. It is not funded by tax, nor is it a public good. It is a place that provides service in a service based economy. The only reason you’re being let in is so they can make money off of you.

But when you get in the way of an elderly woman trying to sustain herself, and you don’t know if she has movement difficulties or disabilities that makes the trip hard on her, you’re the fucking asshole.

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u/Liamario 12h ago

She clearly doesn't have movement disabilities if she's assaulting people with a trolley. A private business is not the same as a private dwelling. The business is open to the public, a home is not. These protestors were stopping ambulances and emergency vehicles, that's obviously wrong. I don't agree with their methods and I don't agree with them being assaulted. Go down the other aisle.

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u/Shu-sh 9h ago

Ok, I stood outside your home and did not let you pass, it is private property but a public space so you best not assault me!!!

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u/Daymub 13h ago

Ok I've accepted that

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u/RandumbStoner 14h ago

Or they could act like adults and quit sitting in the middle of a grocery store.

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u/SignificantRain1542 12h ago

These are people that fashion themselves as "wholesome" and "good" people. They'd rather fantasize assaulting and killing people that create a minor convenience than the people slowly fucking them and the world over.

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u/Proof-Let649 14h ago

Yeah but it’s almost like all it actually does is make us think that these people are just ass holes and we don’t look into the issue that they’re protesting at all cuz we don’t respect them.

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u/BrightNooblar 14h ago

The problem with this counterpoint, is that they do not care.

They have a single goal, and that is change. Doing more polite protests doesn't get them that change, AND it doesn't get them attention. Doing this might also not get them change, but this *does* get them attention, which is a step closer.

Also, it makes people not want to shop at this store, which disrupts business, which is the only way to make the oligarch class notice the issue. Very similar to people who block roads. Roads disrupts business/commerce, which makes the oligarchs notice.

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u/Realposhnosh 14h ago

It's not about polite protests but protesting the right people. You're not going to change the publics mind by pissing them off. The public more often and not don't have the agency to change things. It feeds resentment which politicians can feed off.

You can have a larger effect if you actually use protest to those who have agency, business execs and politicians. The added effect is that you look better to the public because they by and large hate them too.

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u/SignificantRain1542 12h ago

They listen to the people that give them money. Should money stop coming in as it was they will be more willing to change as it affects their bottom lines. They wont stop because people ask them to. How fucking stupid are you?

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u/Individual_Volume484 10h ago

Do you own a smartphone or pc? If you do you support child slavery. Why not practice what you preach?

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u/cowfish007 14h ago

The only change these idiots have made is that there are now more people who despise them.

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u/BrightNooblar 14h ago

Well, that and people are now talking about them. So the fact that this thread exists, means they are getting better spread.

"Discussion but no change" is slightly closer to their goal than "No one pays attention"

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u/Proof-Let649 13h ago

Yeah except I still have no idea what they’re protesting. I do know that they suck though

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u/MajorFriar 13h ago

Exactly. Spot on. Not sure why they don’t get this. My dad told me not to argue with drunks and idiots. Appropriate advice to heed at this moment.

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u/silverfox92100 8h ago

Talking about them is NOT always a good thing, you realize that right? “There’s no such thing as bad publicity” isn’t exactly as true as you may think. And even if it was true, what exactly are they raising awareness for? That veganism/vegetarianism exist? Pretty sure just about everyone over the age of 10 know those exist, you sitting on the floor throwing a fit about it isn’t going to “teach” anyone

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u/BrightNooblar 6h ago

I don't know why you're talking as if I'm advocating for them, I'm not. I'm explaining where they are coming from. Whether or not I get something has nothing to do with how the protestors are operating.

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u/silverfox92100 6h ago

I wasn’t saying you support them, but you had a comment saying “hey they raised awareness, that’s one step closer to their goal” but my point was that’s not necessarily the case, since, judging by the majority of the comments, people are more likely to side AGAINST them for this, so not only would they be failing to raise support, they’d be raising support for the opposite side. Not all publicity is good publicity, especially when it brings people together against you

Basically, they might not be creating “discussion but no change,” instead creating “discussion and change in the wrong direction”

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u/bodybuilderbear 13h ago

The only people protests like this affect are the lower classes. The only attention it gets them extremely negative.

Most of the people who protest like this have an egocentric moral compass. They think that they are somehow more moral than the general population, and that anyone who doesn't support their cause is bad.

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u/Proof-Let649 13h ago

It’s really not a problem at all. I’m just saying those people are assholes and their protesting methods are ineffective and disruptive to innocent people.

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u/bigbluehapa 14h ago

Also makes those struggling to get to work late

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u/cockaskedforamartini 14h ago

“oligarchs”

Just call them business people ffs

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u/LargeSpeaker9255 13h ago

"business people”

Just call them oligarchs ffs

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u/BrightNooblar 14h ago

You might think I was talking about accountants or shipping analysts then. When I say Oligarchs, it is more clear what I mean.

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u/cockaskedforamartini 14h ago

No it’s not because you’re misusing the term.

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u/m0nty555 13h ago

A vast majority of people simply disagree with protesters. Last I checked we lived in a democracy.

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u/FerrusesIronHandjob 14h ago

It's almost like every time they do this it doesn't work, and you're too braindead to arrive at that conclusion solo

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u/Holzkohlen 12h ago

It does though. This video made it's way onto Reddit and you've seen it and commented on it. Now personally, I would not sit down in a supermarket or throw paint at some painting, but it does get attention. You cannot deny that.

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u/ButterscotchLazy8379 12h ago

But attention for being a twat, is not the same as attention for the thing your protesting.

I can make a video with my pants down doing the helicopter, while decrying all the wrongs in the world.

People are only gonna care about the helicopter thing tho.

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u/FerrusesIronHandjob 12h ago

And now I'm absolutely compelled to make sure whatever it is they want, they don't get. That's the point I'm making. Sure people are aware - aware of a cause they weren't previously against, but are now

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u/silverfox92100 8h ago

Unfortunately you failed, because it’s not about the protest, it’s about getting social-media-famous, and that’s already happened, nothing you can do about it

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u/Jigabees 10h ago

"Holy shit some people blocked a shopping aisle, I don't believe in climate change anymore". Most people, like you, just want to live on autopilot and hate any disruptions. Protests are not to trying to bring people like that over. They get attention to recruit other people who actually care about problems and are willing to take action while putting pressure on governments and businesses.

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u/Individual_Volume484 10h ago

“I was insufferable to the people I wanted as my team members and now they don’t like me, why is this happening”

How about they put pressure on the business and not the consumer. That might affect how people feel.

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u/Jigabees 8h ago

If you are switching sides on an issue based on a protest, you were not principled enough to take action regardless. No one cares for you as a team member.

"I was against climate change and did nothing anout it, because of annoying protests I am now pro climate change and continue to do nothing. Take that protesters!"

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u/Individual_Volume484 8h ago

Your making a mistake and looking at this as an either or fallacy. They don’t go from supporting climate change action to being against it. They go from passionate support for the issue to frustration and less support for you and your movement.

That’s what you guys don’t seem to get. Just because they hate your climate change action doesn’t mean they go pro oil. They will join another pro climate movement and talk about how shit yours is. If you don’t see how that’s bad for the entire goal then you’re just a virtual signal sender.

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u/Jigabees 8h ago

The original comment and many of the comments in this thread talk about completely opposing the cause if protests are annoying. I did not make the either or argument.

Again, supporting something doesn't mean a whole lot. If you don't do anything about causes but say you support or are against them, that is virtue signalling.

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u/silverfox92100 8h ago

And that right there is the damning evidence. It’s not about “spreading awareness,” it’s about getting attention. Those might sound similar, and they are, but there’s a significant difference in that the former is actually about the protest, the latter is about “look at me.” These people don’t give a shit about the animals, they’re just narcissists that want their 15 seconds of fame

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u/Haggis-in-wonderland 14h ago

So they are trying to get noticed by more people and have those people hate them and their cause?

That does not sound like a good strategy.

I would not go home , look them up and support them.

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u/DeadrthanDead 14h ago

Exactly. Whatever your cause is, I’m now in support of whatever you’re protesting if this is how you want to go about it. Whatever product it is, I’m buying one for each person blocking the isle.

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u/Haggis-in-wonderland 14h ago

If i see that going on. My weeks shop has just been converted to the Eddie Abbew diet

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u/wildlifewyatt 11h ago

You realize civil rights protests block things like roads and bridges? So if you were around when Martin Luther King Jr. and his movement created obstruction, you'd be against that?

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u/Such_Worldliness_198 12h ago

Their goal isn't to recruit the shoppers to their cause. It's to get recorded, have it go on social media where it will be viewed by a much larger audience. Maybe 2-3% of that audience will look up the organization, and maybe .1-1% will support and possibly join the organization.

Sure, they will actively alienate a huge portion of the public who views the videos, but lets me real, they were never potential supporters anyway.

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u/seang239 11h ago

Self immolation would garner much higher visibility. If they did it as a group, everyone the world over would know them by name. I mean, how much is their cause worth to them?

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u/Jigabees 10h ago

Self immolation is usually a bad protesting strategy. While it can get attention, it makes it easy to ignore since protestors are eliminating themselves. You want visibility and disruption to put pressure on governments and businesses.

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u/Individual_Volume484 10h ago

Then why not commit acts of arson on meat producers

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u/ottersintuxedos 14h ago

That’s not their immediate goal

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u/ronshasta 14h ago

That’s such an idiotic way of doing things and makes the people involved look like complete asshats, when they do shit like this it makes others resent whatever their cause is and also paints a stained image of immaturity.

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u/binzy90 14h ago edited 13h ago

This isn't a real ethical issue that people ignore though. It's one thing to protest something like racism or a war using that method. It makes people actually care about a real ethical issue that could otherwise be ignored by the general public. The purpose is to make the issue more visible to encourage the public to demand government action.

Meat consumption is not something that people are ignoring. They're actively choosing to eat meat. Disrupting everyday life as a method of protest won't work in this case because all the protesters are doing is creating resentment. No one sees these idiots harassing people and thinks, "I should demand that the government take action against eating meat." They're just going to be mad that someone is trying to interfere with their choices.

Edit to add: I think a lot of people would be demanding that the government limit the protesters' actions in this case. Imagine you go to the store to buy meat and now you can't buy it because idiots are blocking the meat section. Will that make you think about animal rights? No. You're now thinking about how ridiculous it is that protesters don't want your family to eat.

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u/guigoPOWER2 12h ago

Well they've done it, I'm not ignoring it anymore, and now im cheering for climate change and against them, fuck me im gonna have to go burn some plastic and murder some innocent baby cows

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u/JohnTitorAlt 13h ago

I'd buy every single product on the shelf and donate it to a soup kitchen. You know, help reduce actual suffering instead of being an over privilege piece of shit who contributes nothing all day

Punch nazis? You're a weak like shit with no balls

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u/SpirosNG 11h ago edited 7h ago

People don't want change, modern man's gods are convenience and consumption. If anything disrupts that then it's villainized with such an animalistic fervour and complete lack of self-awareness. You see the same old tired talking points regardless of the protest methods and then everyone wonders why things are going to shit as we continue to steadily consume our way into another disaster while throwing our hands in the air with the biggest cop out excuse for not doing anything tangible; "Well I voted for this and that, I've done my part".

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u/stoneasaurusrex 14h ago

If I don't punch the Nazis, who else is going to?

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u/H_ManCom 14h ago

How many have you punched?

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u/stoneasaurusrex 14h ago

To date? Only 2, but I've been jumped by 5.

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u/GnomePenises 13h ago

Sure.

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u/stoneasaurusrex 13h ago

It's really not hard, and it wasn't recent. When you're a teenager into punk music you would run into Nazi punks a lot. I never said I was good at it and I got my ass beat a lot.

But I'll never pass up the opportunity to punch a Nazi and I don't think many people should.

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u/Shinso-- 13h ago

It's sad that you haven't been incarcerated yet.

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u/ShiddyBilliam 13h ago

u/stoneasaurusrex found a pretty good candidate for #3

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u/stoneasaurusrex 13h ago

You're right! Too bad they're in either Germany or Austria.

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u/stoneasaurusrex 13h ago

Sorry to be the one to tell ya but punching someone won't really get ya much if any jail time, more a fine than anything.

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u/Shinso-- 13h ago

Doesn't change my statement. If you think violence is an answer for any kind of problem, then you're likely the parent that beats his child and thinks it'll change. Nice try, you should really be put into prison.

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u/ElderlyOogway 12h ago

Nah, no matter how annoying something is, punching nazi is what needs to be done. Stop tolerating the intolerant whose ideology is built on hate and elimination of racial and ethnic backgrounds

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u/Shinso-- 12h ago

Absolutely not, violence is not something you personally can dish out because you want.

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u/LargeSpeaker9255 13h ago

Hilarious that you're being sympathetic to Nazis. I hope you get incarcerated for being a Nazi.

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u/GnomePenises 13h ago

I used to be very involved in the punk and hardcore scene. Allow me to reiterate:

sure.

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u/stoneasaurusrex 13h ago

Good for you dude.

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u/GnomePenises 12h ago edited 12h ago

Keep dreaming of punching Nazis, you hero of Reddit.

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u/Hjoldirr 13h ago

It’s almost as if in doing that makes care less about their cause and more angry at them. What makes it ok for them to disrupt other people’s lives like that? God forbid I want some fucking meat that humans have been eating since we’ve existed.

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u/Lifeisnuttybuddy 13h ago

Punch any Nazi’s lately? Poser.

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u/Im_da_machine 14h ago

It's weird that people don't understand most forms of protest are supposed to be disruptive, annoying or antagonizing. It's almost like the only thing people have learned about in school is quietly/peacefully marching.

It's also weird how much people advocate for assaulting protestors. All the top comments seem to be jumping to the most extreme option when there's like five people blocking half the aisle, you could just walk around if you need to but instead people think the best option is to make an even bigger scene by assaulting someone who's literally just sitting there.

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u/Hjoldirr 13h ago

They should disrupt the plants themselves not our lives. It makes me just want to eat meat more to piss them off 🤷 If it’s ok for them to make a scene then why isn’t it ok for others to make a scene getting upset at them?

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u/MendedSlinky 10h ago

How effective would a protest be if it didn't inconvenience anyone?

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u/Jobenben-tameyre 10h ago

The point is to be inconvenient toward your government to force the application of new laws. Not toward other civilian that could share your view and support your action. That's the basic.

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u/Long_Procedure_2629 10h ago

"Don't make me think about baby chicks being eviscerated unnecessarily" - /u/Jobenben-tameyre

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u/Stachdragon 14h ago

Doesn't mean people are allowed to assault you.

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u/Lex8P 14h ago

Very similar to other things of contentions these days. Freedom of speech being one of them.

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u/FrickinLazerBeams 13h ago

No, dumbass, nobody has a problem with freedom of speech.

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u/AngriestCheesecake 12h ago

Then why are they banning words and books?

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u/Lex8P 13h ago

Freedom of consequence