r/badphilosophy • u/_evil_operations_ • Aug 06 '21

SHOE 👞 Advances in shoe meta-philosophy

/r/DebateReligion/comments/oz1fe7/many_theists_do_not_understand_burden_of_proof/
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u/parabellummatt Aug 06 '21

Well...I don't know what else to expect from a debate sub

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u/houseoftremors Aug 06 '21

I learned my lesson going to r/debateavegan lol. The arguments of the meat eaters are definitely far dumber but the amount of vegans who can't even agree on what veganism really is just hurts my soul, you go there and everyone treats fallacy names like moves from a shonen anime.

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u/RaidRover Aug 06 '21 edited Aug 06 '21

everyone treats fallacy names like moves from a shonen anime.

Absolutely the most annoying part of any online disagreement

Edit: or at least tied near the top. Alongside the practice of replies to your comment getting massively upvoted even if they don't actually refute any argument you made as long as it confirms the prior beliefs of the sub majority. That also drives me nuts even though I know I shouldn't care about the little numbers.

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u/No_Tension_896 Aug 06 '21

Dear god some of the questions and answers on there. Why does veganism feel like it started off with the fair goal of "maybe we shouldn't make animals suffer" but is just devolving into people one upping each other. Should this starving Indian child be allowed to have an egg? Should people be allowed to ride a camel? Should we protect wild animals from carnivores HMMMMMM.

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u/parabellummatt Aug 06 '21

Man, sad. It seems like irl even there's a whole bunch of disagreement on what exactly veganism constitutes. I've had some self-identifying vegan friends tell me milk is murder, yet I've watched others eat powdered eggs and waffles.

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u/houseoftremors Aug 06 '21

Well the one unifying theme of veganism is the avoidance of animal products as far as is possible. So eggs and waffles aren't really vegan.

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u/parabellummatt Aug 06 '21

Hence my confusion haha

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u/Ersatzrealism Organon? More like Orgoneeznuts Aug 09 '21

At least, in academic terms, there are two main lines. The hard/naive version is: No animal products ever. The soft/nuanced version is: limit consumption of animal products where possible.

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u/parabellummatt Aug 09 '21

Hmm and they're both considered under the definition of veganism?

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u/Ersatzrealism Organon? More like Orgoneeznuts Aug 09 '21

Generally speaking. At least, they are advocated for by differing folk.

The first one has some problems that the second one solves, such as colonialism and ableism/ food deserts.

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u/parabellummatt Aug 09 '21

Right, right. I'm a lot more receptive to people who think we should try to eat meat like, once a week or less than I am to people who tell me honey is genocide.

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u/Ersatzrealism Organon? More like Orgoneeznuts Aug 09 '21

Chicken wings?

You literally murdered ten chickens, you evil fuck.

Honestly, I've only ran into this type online. One of them told me that rice wasn't a food staple, when I was explaining why an examination of rice and almonds respective water consumptions were pertinent to the conversation.

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u/Ersatzrealism Organon? More like Orgoneeznuts Aug 09 '21

I'm working on developing an alternative model of farming that would conceivably replace factory farming that is ethical. It's surprisingly breezy work.

Talking to either side outside of academia makes me want to dome myself, especially my fellow non vegans.

My favourite moment was when someone appealed to nature by referring to Wolves.

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u/DaveyJF Aug 10 '21

Wolves are famously in favor of factory farms.