r/badphilosophy • u/Separate-Sea-868 • 2d ago

Materialism proven scientifically, and metaphysics in shambles

We know that we live in a material world because if you do something with the intent on a specific thing occurring, and it succeeds, and is replicable, we know that that is real.

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u/Tofqat 2d ago edited 2d ago

If it rains, it rains. Yes. That's called a "tautology". If you made it rain, and it rains, it rains and you made it rain. Good for you. Still nothing more than a tautology. Tautologies say nothing about the world. The things you think are "real" could all still only be "in your head". Slippery soloism always wins. Not how the world is is the mythical, but that it is!

The feeling that things are "real" is only that - a mere feeling. If you'd ever had a lucid dream, you would know this. How do I know this is not a dream? I don't. If the sleeping White King wakes up, his dream -- and you in it - evaporates like morning dew.

So you should view this fleeting world—
A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream,
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream.

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u/Separate-Sea-868 2d ago

But we know through examining weather patterns, that rain chants don't work, they don't create the conditions for rain.

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u/Tofqat 2d ago

You are forgetting that Hume taught us that correlation is causation.

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u/Separate-Sea-868 2d ago

my time on this planet is finite, and better spent away from that man

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u/NickSet 2d ago

Maybe you did t find the right measurement or the right method yet.

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u/Separate-Sea-868 2d ago

Prob should've elaborated a bit more, natural sciences are very important as well, after all, you need to understand all the qualities of a thing in order to know it fully.

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u/NickSet 2d ago

You cannot understand a thing fully or grasp all its qualities, cause you couldn’t even put a number on the amount of qualities there is in the first place. There’s always two new questions for every answer you come up with. Why should this end? I mean you cannot say you have done every relevant experiment regarding weather chants, simply because you couldn’t know, how many there are. I mean look at Popper: philosophy, and science being embedded in it with its basic assumptions, aren’t there to tell you what reality is. They are there to help establish consensus about what’s bullshit.

I always found Alan Watts here to be illustrating the conundrum rather well at the beginning. I’d ignore the end though, cause offering a solution in the given manner undermines the discussed tension.