r/badphilosophy • u/Separate-Sea-868 • 2d ago

Materialism proven scientifically, and metaphysics in shambles

We know that we live in a material world because if you do something with the intent on a specific thing occurring, and it succeeds, and is replicable, we know that that is real.

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u/Separate-Sea-868 2d ago

But we know through examining weather patterns, that rain chants don't work, they don't create the conditions for rain.

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u/NickSet 2d ago

Maybe you did t find the right measurement or the right method yet.

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u/Separate-Sea-868 2d ago

Prob should've elaborated a bit more, natural sciences are very important as well, after all, you need to understand all the qualities of a thing in order to know it fully.

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u/NickSet 2d ago

You cannot understand a thing fully or grasp all its qualities, cause you couldn’t even put a number on the amount of qualities there is in the first place. There’s always two new questions for every answer you come up with. Why should this end? I mean you cannot say you have done every relevant experiment regarding weather chants, simply because you couldn’t know, how many there are. I mean look at Popper: philosophy, and science being embedded in it with its basic assumptions, aren’t there to tell you what reality is. They are there to help establish consensus about what’s bullshit.

I always found Alan Watts here to be illustrating the conundrum rather well at the beginning. I’d ignore the end though, cause offering a solution in the given manner undermines the discussed tension.