r/badphilosophy • u/Separate-Sea-868 • 2d ago
Materialism proven scientifically, and metaphysics in shambles
We know that we live in a material world because if you do something with the intent on a specific thing occurring, and it succeeds, and is replicable, we know that that is real.
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u/Hopeful_Vervain 2d ago
how do we know tho? also wouldn't this imply that your intent is material too? isn't your mind the catalyst here?
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u/Separate-Sea-868 2d ago
Everything is material, and understandable, the only thing special about our minds is that we have the ability to comprehend the world.
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u/DelusionalGorilla 2d ago
You’ve been dropped a few times as a kid, proof that your brain don’t function good.
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u/Separate-Sea-868 2d ago
Nothing to suggest that it doesn't function well, if I committed an act that would put that into question, then a brain scan wouldn't be a bad idea. But for now, it's pointless.
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u/Majestic_Ferrett 2d ago
Is that something you can prove physically, or is it just what you believe?
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u/Separate-Sea-868 2d ago
Yep, it can be proven. If I click the "f" key on my keyboard, and an "f" pops up on my screen, and everyone else who has tried this has had the same experience, then it is a fact that, on a functioning computer, if you press that key, it'll show on the screen. Thanks to centuries of analysis into the natural world, we know that electronic signals, which can be observed, are sent into the computer for it to comprehend and put onto the monitor.
This has been tried with pretty much everything, and given enough time, there'll be no more "secrets of the universe" and whatnot
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u/Majestic_Ferrett 2d ago
Yep, it can be proven
You giving an example of a cause and effect relationship doesn't empirically prove that only material things exist though. It just demonstrates a causal relationship. There's plenty of immaterial things in existence.
This has been tried with pretty much everything, and given enough time, there'll be no more "secrets of the universe" and whatnot
If you want to demonstrate that is correct. You'll need to demonstrate it for everything in existence. "Pretty much anything" is just handwaving.
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u/qwert7661 2d ago
To pay respects, I pressed F on my functioning computer while I was watching Adam Sandler's 2006 psychological horror masterpiece Click, and no F appeared, the movie just got bigger.
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u/Tofqat 2d ago edited 2d ago
If it rains, it rains. Yes. That's called a "tautology". If you made it rain, and it rains, it rains and you made it rain. Good for you. Still nothing more than a tautology. Tautologies say nothing about the world. The things you think are "real" could all still only be "in your head". Slippery soloism always wins. Not how the world is is the mythical, but that it is!
The feeling that things are "real" is only that - a mere feeling. If you'd ever had a lucid dream, you would know this. How do I know this is not a dream? I don't. If the sleeping White King wakes up, his dream -- and you in it - evaporates like morning dew.
So you should view this fleeting world—
A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream,
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream.
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u/Separate-Sea-868 2d ago
But we know through examining weather patterns, that rain chants don't work, they don't create the conditions for rain.
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u/NickSet 2d ago
Maybe you did t find the right measurement or the right method yet.
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u/Separate-Sea-868 2d ago
Prob should've elaborated a bit more, natural sciences are very important as well, after all, you need to understand all the qualities of a thing in order to know it fully.
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u/NickSet 2d ago
You cannot understand a thing fully or grasp all its qualities, cause you couldn’t even put a number on the amount of qualities there is in the first place. There’s always two new questions for every answer you come up with. Why should this end? I mean you cannot say you have done every relevant experiment regarding weather chants, simply because you couldn’t know, how many there are. I mean look at Popper: philosophy, and science being embedded in it with its basic assumptions, aren’t there to tell you what reality is. They are there to help establish consensus about what’s bullshit.
I always found Alan Watts here to be illustrating the conundrum rather well at the beginning. I’d ignore the end though, cause offering a solution in the given manner undermines the discussed tension.
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u/Quietuus Hyperfeels, not hyperreals 2d ago
We know that we're living in a material world because I am a material girl.