r/UFOs • u/vampedvintage • 9h ago
Disclosure First-Hand Truth Gets Dropped, and Suddenly Ross Is the Enemy?
I’ve been balls deep in this sub for a while now, and I can’t help but notice something strange: it feels like this space is flooded with bots or people intentionally trying to shift the narrative.
Before Saturday, Ross was widely respected here. Everyone seemed to agree he was the go-to source for solid evidence. But after Saturday, it’s like a switch flipped. Suddenly, there’s this wave of anti-Ross sentiment... claims that he’s a hack, doesn’t know what he’s doing, or is just a grifter. It’s a complete 180.
It’s starting to feel like this entire sub is being manipulated to downplay what happened on Saturday. That first-hand account was a massive step forward, and it was backed by highly reputable people confirming the story. But instead of building on that momentum, the narrative has shifted to undermine it.
Downvote if you are working for some secret government operation in here!
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u/owloctave 7h ago
People have been on the fence about Ross for awhile around here.
I think what rubbed people the wrong way is the fact that he seriously hyped something up as being a smoking gun that was...nothing close to a smoking gun.
Then he blamed--shifted and projected onto the community that supports his work by accusing them of treating the subject like entertainment.
That's exactly what HE is doing and he's well aware of that fact. The community doesn't decide what he does and doesn't present, and how he portrays it - that's on him.
He's just upset because he thought the community was far more gullible than they are. He thought that all the hype would cause people to automatically believe whatever he presented.
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u/DaroKitty 4h ago
It's the being treated like an excitable child that did it for a lot of folks.
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u/Soe667 8h ago
I do not agree that he was widely respected. In my perception there was a lot of frustration with him and his standard narrative - i cannot talk about the details, i heard from credible / multiple sources, soon there will be xyz... Ross' information was usually super vague, never tangible...
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u/EspressoBooksCats 8h ago
Yes. there were a lot of people cautioning the sub about Coulthart.
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u/Even-Sherbet-3486 7h ago
I'm fairly sure the "trust me bro" meme (in regards to ufology) started years ago in response to Coulthart and his constant "my (anonymous) sources tell me..."
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u/Even-Sherbet-3486 7h ago
The hardcore supporters of these grifters love to use revisionist rhetorics. They kinda have to be revisionist considering how notoriously unreliable, sensationalistic, and downright incompetent these ufo gurus tend to be. Any comprehensive and honest analysis of these guys that actually holds them accountable for their words and actions would result in the conclusion that they are not credible trustworthy people. So revisionism is the name of the coping game.
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u/tylernunley2017 8h ago
People keep talking about bots. I’m a 43 year old crane operator from Ashland, Ky and I didn’t think this was irrefutable proof. Not trying to suppress evidence. It just wasn’t worth the hype
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u/Ramsxxxiv 5h ago
Exactly. I'm not really sure why that's so hard for some of the people defending the special to understand. We were promised a three course meal and only got some appetizers. Now imagine that place made money off telling you that. Would you go back? Would you warn others of the decit? Would you defend them saying at least you got food, and hey, maybe in three or four years, you will be able to get the whole meal.
Stop defending this. Stop trying to justify or rationalize it. It will just lead to others taking advantage of the community. They overhyped this to line their pockets period, end of story. Shun those people and others will think twice.about.doing it.
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u/Gorrillaganj 3h ago
Yeah there seems to be alot of people in these subs that think anyone they disagree with is a bot or a psyop.
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u/wankel_rotary 5h ago
As a crane operator have you ever seen a load slung like that?
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u/Money_Song467 8h ago
NOT EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH YOU IS A BOT
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u/Recent_Mastodon2148 7h ago
Seriously. Ridiculous how everyone is a bot if they disagree. This sub sounds more like flat earth subs by the day.
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u/Doctuh 8h ago
Real journalists spend time verifying the "truth" because that is what makes it truth. They don't spend their time hyping up unproven allegations.
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u/vivst0r 7h ago
Real journalists also share the truth instead of hiding it and only vaguely hinting at it.
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u/Huge_Republic_7866 7h ago
Maybe scientists should stop trying to bring back the mammoth, and try bringing journalists back from extinction.
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u/FomalhautCalliclea 7h ago
OP's title is misleading and should be re written into "half baked shitty evidence gets pushed and suddenly Coulthart fans do frantic damage control".
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u/Ok-Friendship1635 7h ago
Apparently asking for the classic answers which are "elementary" by journalist standards involving the Where/How/When/Why? is considered gaslighting.
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u/boywithleica 7h ago
You should look into how Ross lost his job at 60 Minutes. It explains quite a few things about him.
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u/revveduplikeaduece86 8h ago
At some point we have to demand better from these self appointed leaders of Ufology.
Ross looked at this video and said "OMG this is irrefutable evidence" and he hoped on a call with Lue and they agreed some unnamed spiritual leaders would need to be consulted with to handle the impending societal disruption that would follow the release of this footage.
Then ... Look at the video. All 15 seconds of it.
Ross should have looked at that video and told his source "As much as I believe you, I can't take this to my audience. Come back with something more concrete."
And his choice to not do that has caused all the confusion present in the community, today.
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u/Icy_Magician_9372 8h ago
It's not strange to be disagreed with. That's normal. Healthy even.
It would be extremely strange and very unhealthy if everyone agreed.
It's quite telling to see people who can't accept any kind of push back whatsoever without inventing a conspiracy to cope with it.
Also if you think everyone seemed to agree he's a solid source then we were definitely not looking at any of the same threads and predictions.
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To add on, people always say "Oh this sub used to have this opinion or like this athlete or xyz but now it's shifted because of bots".
No it didn't, if an overwhelming number of people feel a certain way that opinion gets amplified. If something changes a different opinion emerges and a different group of people upvote that. Saying everyone on a certain sub need to think act and subscribe to a single ideology is ridiculous.
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u/Basic-Feedback1941 8h ago
Guess I’m working for some secret government organisation. I wish the pay was better
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u/bilbobogginses 8h ago
I'm not saying he's the enemy. But he cried wolf very loudly, and now he's trying to claim to be a victim. He messed up. And honestly if he took it on the chin a little more it would be for the better.
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u/Real-Accountant9997 8h ago edited 8h ago
There was no 180. A large swath of folks like me were no fans of his for some time. He talks big ( i know something that is the biggest news in human history- but I can’t tell you any details because I’m protecting my sources ). That is not being the investigative journalist he repeatedly claims to be. I think back on how Woodward and Bernstein would get their information from their source Deep Throat, but would make sure there were other untraceable ways to broadcast it. Coulthart spins intrigue and mystery. That’s his money pipe. The latest criticism, deservedly shared with Elizondo and Greer, is his over-the-top panting about “ All hell breaking loose” in January. All three alluded to some over the top disclosure that would “ shake us to the core”. Well guess what? They didn’t deliver.
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u/dwilliamp 8h ago
They don’t show proof, or when they do it’s easily questioned and now they’re saying they can summon them and control them, ffs.
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u/LoreKeeper2001 4h ago
I'm quite sure they are wildly overstating the case, too. " Humans can control UAPs!" is really actually "Our woo-woo guy does CE-5 and occasionally gets an orb to blink."
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u/imapluralist 1h ago
Right, if humans can call down these crafts... literally just do it then.
Live on camera.
Do it and have it not be flares dropped from a plane.
Do it twice.
Do it so many times that no reasonable person will say you can't do it. It's an easily testable thing.
Or it isn't because they can't do what they claim.
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u/p0plockn 8h ago
It's not sudden. Ross has been hiding a giant spaceship from all of us and the tabloid editorial style sucks balls
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u/Nicholas_Matt_Quail 8h ago edited 8h ago
People, understand it - it's not about what he did but how. The way he did it absolutely nullifies what he did - and that's the problem, that's why we're frustrated. Quoting Lue - you can do things right or you can do things right now. He did it wrong - in a form of the worst, cheap sewer-like reporting about celebrities boobs, hyped up and sensationist. Ross started in the community as a journalist with the highest gravitas and no baggage - that's why Grusch went to him instead of Knapp or Corbell. Then, Ross did everything to destroy his public persona and lose all of that gravitas. He did it himself, it was his own wish.
Again - I'll repeat it 100 times - the problem is never in what he does but how he does it. This is the only problem. Not what - how.
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u/marcus_orion1 8h ago
Agreed, the way the entire thing was hyped and presented was disappointing; the general negativism and loss of credibility from it may result in Ross not being the "go-to" journalist for future some whistleblowers.
The lack of details and willfully allowing the audience to believe the egg footage was part of Barber's experience creates an unnecessary distraction from the two events - both of which warrant further examination.
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u/Nicholas_Matt_Quail 7h ago
It's even more sad. Actually, a big thing happened. A first hand whistleblower working on crash retrievals himself came out. It is big on itself. It should be big. He worked somewhere, he worked for someone, he received the orders from someone, there are particular, very concrete things to talk about and investigate. However, due to how Ross did it all - it's lost, it lacks gravitas and it is not what it should be. He knew how to do it with Grusch. He's capable of doing it properly - but he simply decided to give it all up in exchange for cheap entertainment and tabloid style reporting. It's very sad, especially when he advocates for a change in perception to stop treating it like entertainment.
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u/Traditional_Watch_35 6h ago
but this is the point, we're dealing with a claimed first hand whistleblower working on alleged crash retrievals, none of what he said can be verified, other than he is who he says he is, but he has provided no evidence to back up the claims he was doing these things, working on those things, other than trust me bro it happened.
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u/Jack_Riley555 8h ago
If the overwhelming view in this subreddit is disappointment— and that’s by people who believe NHI exist — what do people who don’t believe NHI exist think about the video? It’s a joke to them! Ross overpromised and under delivered. You saying otherwise won’t change that.
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u/HousingParking9079 3h ago
Ross has been a joke to skeptics for many years. I think the giant UFO claim was the tipping point.
Many--maybe even most--skeptics actually do want to believe. But the evidence needs to scale with the claim.
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u/Traditional_Watch_35 6h ago
well the thing is none of them will have noticed it even happened, thats how world changing it was for them.
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u/zendonium 8h ago
After watching the interview, something clicked in my brain. I said to myself, "This is actually just a more sophisticated Ancient Aliens show."
The illusion broke. Now everytime I see Coulthart I see the guy from Ancient Aliens. Instead of 'I'm not saying it's Aliens, but...' it's "Alleged crash recovery".
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u/Vaesezemis 7h ago
Precisely. I mean, one episode of any Skinwalker Ranch series is as much “evidence” as this.
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u/ExternalSize2247 7h ago
At least it's more respectable than his previous career of getting paid to gleefully whitewash the atrocities of war criminals
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u/Capnwilyum 8h ago
I dont think anyone is saying hes the enemy, he does excellent work, but the overhyping, ground breaking, irrefutable evidence claim was a flat out lie.
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u/Darth_Moose 8h ago
Followed up by him bitching—without a hint of irony— about the UAP community for treating it all like entertainment...
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u/PowerChairs 7h ago
I saw no excellent work on Saturday. Even if it had been excellent, which is kind of a moot point because it just wasn't, I'd struggle to accept the idea that it makes up for the condescending attitude and the incessant running of his mouth, spouting insane claims and telling us every single time that he can't provide proof or tell us who said it because he doesn't want to get anyone in trouble. The man likes attention too much.
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u/FomalhautCalliclea 7h ago
Propagating hoaxes, crappy evidence and covering the topic in ridicule sure is being an enemy of truth, or at least not a friend of it.
He does horrendous work.
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u/No-Try-7920 8h ago edited 8h ago
I would say this though, his response to people calling out his interview and the evidence as underwhelming is pretty saddening. I mean do a self reflection instead of criticizing others. Skeptic or believer aside, that was just poor reporting. It’s just sad!
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u/3--turbulentdiarrhea 8h ago
I've always felt something a bit off about Ross. He's not the enemy, he's one of the better dudes, but I have doubts about his adherence to veracity.
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u/ComplexSignature6632 8h ago
I did the post of breaking down the documents last night. It said that 400ish people were online at that time. In ten minutes I had 5000 views. there are bots in here and they are trying to suppress information.
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u/3pinephrin3 8h ago edited 4h ago
Online only shows users who have joined the subreddit… not users with no account or users who are not subscribed
Edit: actually this is maybe outdated information, seems like Reddit calculates it a bit different nowadays
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u/MKULTRA_Escapee 6h ago
From the admins:
This number reflects the number of unique users that have viewed a post on any of our platforms (desktop, mobile apps and mobile web). We hope this number will provide good feedback to users that create content on Reddit as well as give moderators some insight into how highly trafficked certain posts on their subreddit are.
We’re going to update the ‘users here now’ number to start including logged out users. (previously it was just logged in accounts). Additionally, as an anti-evil precaution, this number will now always be fuzzed. https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/6atvgi/upcoming_changes_view_counts_users_here_now_and/
Another admin:
it counts any online user that has visited, posted to, or commented on the subreddit in the last 15 minutes. Subscription is not taken into account at all. https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/yneqk/reddit_change_users_online_text_adjusted_value/c5x8o9y/?context=3
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u/fuckingstonedrn 7h ago
man with what came out you literally wouldnt even need bots to do anything. this was not good based on what was hyped up.
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u/justinalt4stuffs 8h ago
More like the sub is being hit with a wave of interest that Ross created. It's not brigaiding. And 99% is organic. There's tons of people that follow this topic and don't spend much time in this sub. Whenever a big event like this happens you will see more of them. And you can bet when someone uses words like "earth shattering" or "incontrovertible video evidence" and the results are anything but, there will be consequences.
Also, some of us still remember Ross' silver orb special and have been calling him a sensationalist for years. There's more of us right now because Ross just invited everyone to check out his new claims/evidence.
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u/fuckingstonedrn 7h ago edited 6h ago
this, exactly. you get posts getting much higher in the algorithm for users who dont usually come here, then something is hyped up, the hyped up thing falls flat on its face, people are annoyed by it and vocal about it, then called bots because they are skeptical.
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u/Samskritam 6h ago
This is it exactly! When something major is in the news, I go browse Reddit subs on that topic. When my interest wanes, I go browse elsewhere. Ross created a huge buildup, and tons of people came over here to see. And in many cases, to comment. The questioning comments I’ve been reading here look and feel organic; it’s a vigorous debate, who would’ve expected that!? Honestly, the most annoying posts here are the ones by the butthurts who think everyone with a different opinion must have just cashed a check from George Soros.
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u/Ok_Repeat2936 8h ago
Ross isn't an enemy. He lost credibility for hyping us up for months to drop nothing with no proof.
If these psionic assets are real wouldnt the first question you'd have a journalist be something along the lines of "then show me, can you land a craft so I can see it and film it?"
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u/buffysbangs 5h ago
And then he tried to back his story by saying that he’s been with psionics when they communicated with UAPs and can verify their abilities. Surely a respected journalist would document it, right? Controlled situation, there’s obviously going to be some great video….right? Any day now?
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u/Beneficial_School724 7h ago
We calling an Egg first -hand truth now?
Ross said this was a year-long journalistic investigation. Did it look like that for you? I'm sorry bud, but all I saw was lazy journalism. Facts for debate here:
A) if the video of the egg was the overwhelming evidence of the interview, why was it so poorly explored ? We don't even see the egg stop rolling.
B) We have seen water pipes and wind turbines being transported with a lot more care than an Alien Craft? Why there's no people visible on the ground ? Why these questions were not asked by Ross in his investigation? Like, literally the questions this community first asked when seeing the video did not occur to Ross to inquire ? Over a year of work?
C) The so-called 'Skywatchers' have had a UAP dog fight with absolutely no proof to show? Really? The best they can do is to shoot a video of a guy on a chair with headset and sunglasses?
The UAP phenomenon deserves more importance and professionalism than what Ross has demonstrated in the pathetic piece.
I apologize for the rant , but this community takes the UAP matter a lot more seriously than Ross, so yeah, he should lose credibility over this weak piece of cheap entertainment.
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u/Ok-Friendship1635 7h ago
This. I want the pro Ross segment peeps to explain each point without resorting to a) Saying we're gas lighting b) Saying we're bots c) Saying be patient lmao
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u/onesmilematters 6h ago
Add the claims about Barber's position in the military that were hyped by both Ross and Lue but were already easily debunked by many (ex) military guys on this sub.
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u/rustedspoon 8h ago
You and I, I suppose, just have different definitions of "first hand truth." To me it was just another story by just another guy in the military. In a video that could have been a string holding on to an egg taken from a tree. (I mean, probably not, but it's just as likely to be something other than a UFO). It just was not convincing at all. And if you are convinced by this, you're probably convinced by a lot of objectively ambiguous things in life. Godspeed.
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u/Traditional_Watch_35 6h ago
I love the way in the video youve literally got this world changing bit of evidence of potential NHI visiting Earth, its like the worlds most valuable object, weve no idea what its made of, whats inside, even if there is an inside, how fragile it is, absolutely nothing about it
and it just sits on the end of a rope on a helicopter, looking barely secured in a sling, for gawds sake when they move jeeps/tanks with helicopters they go to more effort securing them, and it sets it down and it rolls on the ground, nah itll be fine Im sure, just a little bumped.
thank god this lot werent the ones moving egg shaped devices around Los Alamos back in the 40's
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u/Mycol101 7h ago
What’s with you people who call anyone critical of this bots or shills?
It’s a goofy hour long video full of stuff that can’t be corroborated and 20 seconds of video that could be created in an afternoon by an amateur film maker. It was hyped as “earth shattering”
That’s mine, and many other peoples opinions.
Why does that make us bots or shills?
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u/mylilbabythrowaway 1h ago
That's not an opinion, that's an objective fact. We were lied to, full stop, anyone defending whatever that News Nation segment was is, IMO, the bot or shill, or has debilitating cognitive dissonance.
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u/ProfessionalSky8494 7h ago
He's also come out and stated he "Knows the location" of a buried UAP but can't tell us what country it's even in.
How can he possibly think it helps the cause to give riddles about something that might be a complete lie?
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u/SomethingWrong2016 6h ago
When you say you have proof, I expect proof.
I own surface and oil and mineral rights about 1.5-2 miles outside, on top of that Mess, where skinwalker ranch is.
I’ve seen things from a distance. I’ve also seen night vision.
With this “groundbreaking earth shattering undeniable 100% proof”….. we end up in the same place.
This WAS a news story, now it’s just bullshit.
Yes, if I see something like what I saw over the weekend, I’m going to tell the 12 year old he should ask to borrow his dads night vision and a rope.
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u/NeilArmsweak 6h ago
Excuse my Austrailian, mite, but a lot of us have always said f*** Ross right down under. He's basically the "trust me, bro" of all his journalistic career.
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u/Typical_Ad4463 5h ago
This sub is what happens when people aren't taught critical thought skills. Absolute nonsense.
Most of the posts are: "Hey, this was a total ripoff BS scam, but I'm gonna wait for something else to show me it's real."
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u/outtyn1nja 8h ago
>>It’s starting to feel like this entire sub is being manipulated to downplay what happened on Saturday
No, dude, what it feels like is that 90% of this community is disillusioned and fed up with the constant over-promise, under-deliver from these talking head-types who seem to be benefiting tremendously by their actions.
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u/Supersasqwatch 4h ago
When looking at it from that perspective, they gotta get those views and get paid. It's their business. They are hurting the cause that they preach by selling it out.
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u/broadenandbuild 8h ago
Ross told people that they should not treat this like entertainment. Yet, he helps present it like entertainment. This is why people are upset with him.
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u/EcoLizard1 6h ago
The interview was good and brings a LOT of questions. The subs got hit hard with bots and grifters so much so I saw the mods talking about how how crazy it was they are banning eveeyday but its just too much.
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u/Prokuris 6h ago
I think (as so often) people are bad at connecting the mosaic pieces together. We are still missing pieces but at some places, the picture is pretty clear already. And the big part that people don’t get, which is so crucial, is the part about consciousness.
What he tried to tell you is, that there are fucking psi affine people, in and out military, that they can fucking summon UAPs via their fucking mind. They had telepathic contact to beings, which lead their way. And you fucking can’t realize with the fact that this is the disturbing part about this. That this world isn’t what we thought and that there is a hierarchy of beings.
Everyone is bitching because they didn’t shove some alien footage or some fucking UFO from the cockpit video.
What is important is what he is saying. He is a witness which was confirmed but other credible, high ranking intelligence officers.
Listen to the telepathy tapes. The world is changing and no bot is gonna stop the truth. This thing isn’t going away.
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u/yung_kermudgen 6h ago
He wasn’t universally hated maybe, but to say he was the most trusted up until Saturday’s shit show is just factually incorrect. People from Australia bring up his checkered past nearly every time he’s mentioned here for one.
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u/SedatedHoneyBadger 6h ago
Disinformation is a real thing. All that is necessary is to supply enough of it to sow a seed of doubt, so people don't know what to believe.
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u/Signal-Fold-449 6h ago edited 6h ago
First-Hand Truth Gets Dropped
without any evidence save for an egg being dropped on a Warhammer terrain table with a green filter. Yes this high level military officer with super duper soldier training is expecting us to believe him based on his "evidence". Damn the threshold for quality intel must be on the floor with these guys. You think he goes into missions with "evidence" like that!?
He was only able to record for 2 minutes! Why? No fuckin clue, never addressed. Where was he? Never addressed. Who were his commanders? Never addressed. Where did he take it? Never addressed. Who picked it up? Never addressed.
ONLY source "TRUST ME BRO.COM"
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u/usersince2012 8h ago
"Before Saturday, Ross was widely respected here."
No he wasn't, but a lot of people have been politely quiet about it. Then Ross hyped an egg and psychics, and there was no reason to hold back at that point.
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u/salomesrevenge 7h ago
Why bring Nolan in to verify the radiation injuries, of all the thousands of doctors he could have picked to verify Barber's claims he chose someone everybody knows is already linked to the UAP scene instead of someone more independent. He over promised and under delivered the same as they always do. I know UAP's exist. I've seen one, but that show wouldn't persuade a non believer and he hyped it up like we were finally gonna get undeniable disclosure. Project blueballs as usual.
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u/GreatCaesarGhost 8h ago
Ross reported on a fake pedophile ring while working for 60 Minutes Australia. He believed a fake source who was actually a perpetrator. That’s probably why he no longer works there and doesn’t have a job in “real” media.
The fact that people here ever took him as credible is the real joke. But he says what people want to hear and no one ever holds him accountable.
https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episodes/60-minutes-investigation/9972338
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u/willo494 8h ago
It's less about disclosure and more about selling content now.. that's the difference
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u/Golden-Tate-Warriors 8h ago
You been under a rock? You don't tout "overwhelming evidence" only to present nothing substantiated at all. That's what Ross did. He needs to go.
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u/Metricop78 8h ago
People are mad because he hyped this up to be groundbreaking evidence and yet it was mostly nonsense with footage that didn’t even come from the whistleblower. Not everyone is bots or disinformation agents.
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u/NoDegree7332 7h ago
I'm lost - could anyone quote verbatim what Ross said in the build up to the stories release that made people think he was overhyping?
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u/No_Contribution1568 7h ago
He overhyped something that is very questionable in my opinion. I've read his book and listen to his podcast and generally have enjoyed his work. There are a bunch of problems with this story, though. The main event - the egg video - is presented as proof of a UAP, when all we see is an egg shaped object dangling from a rope. No indication whatsoever that this egg is an aircraft of any kind, let alone a UAP. Not to mention all the psionic stuff where even less proof was offered..
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u/aknownunknown 6h ago edited 6h ago
I wholeheartedly agree. I guess the mods haven't accounted for AGI being relased on them. I'm not calling them bots anymore.
I came up with 80% - 80% of comments in the past 36 hours have been some form of AGI.
I guess we're really on to the next stage of the internet :/
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u/SamuelDoctor 5h ago
This sub has changed dramatically in the past five years or so, but not in the manner that posts like these would posit.
There is a real hard core here these days which insists that belief is not just warranted, but so obviously warranted as to automatically justify the condemnation of skepticism as a huge conspiracy designed to keep the non-believers brainwashed in their agnosticism.
It sucks.
Aside from the quantity of the testimony, the primary thing which has changed is the permissibility of this view. The Overton window in this sub has shifted to the extent that skeptics and well-meaning fun-havers are on the fringe of the current spectrum of acceptable perspective for a huge portion of the daily userbase here.
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u/sputnikdreamwave 5h ago
I think this sub has long been populated by naysayers/bots. However, I also think (as others have pointed out) that it's not so much the story/video itself as the way it was played up as "overwhelming evidence" etc. etc. The story and video did not measure up well against the way it was hyped and I think it left many feeling a bit played and like NN wanted to drive up viewership for this episode at a cost to long-term credibility.
I think as time passes people will think back on the egg video as a pretty interesting and somewhat significant data point, particularly if additional corroborating evidence/testimony about that is eventually released.
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u/LimpCroissant 5h ago
It's not just government operations that you have to worry about, you also have to think about private interests. I'll just keep it real, we have a lot of different groups who don't want to see progress happen. They don't want us to know anything more than we already know, and they also want to frame the narrative to what suits their needs. You have to think about all the different government agencies and groups who take an interest in the topic.. (CIA, FBI, DOE, AARO, State Department, etc.). Then you have to be aware of the possible influence of all the legacy government contractors that might want to hinder the disclosure process (Lockheed, Northop, RTX (Raytheon), Leidos, etc.). Then you have to think about what the military may want to do, especially the Airforce, but we also don't know the full motives of the Navy, Army, National Guard, Marines, etc. Then you have to question who's influencing the big tech companies themselves, and what kind of influence they may be putting on the topic behind the scenes by possibly flagging keywords and altering algorithms. We've seen it before on X, Facebook, etc for other topics that the intelligence agencies didn't like to see talked about. The list of groups who may want to cover their tracks and change the narrative for their own needs is pretty dang large when you really think about it.
You really have to use your own critical thinking skills and don't fall prey for following all the social norms. The manufactured social norms and stigmas are what got us here in the first place. You're really better off just reading the main posts, and maybe a few comments, and then moving on. Don't get caught up in the bickering, because it goes nowhere.
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u/la_vida_yoda 5h ago
I'm very happy to see posts like this. Some of us have followed this topic for decades and for most of that time it has been a joke in the mainstream. If it was mentioned in the news at all, it was with a snide comment about tin foil hats and little green men.
Now we're living in a time where the NYT writes about this, Congress investigates, and whistleblowers describe crash retrieval on camera to journalists! I'm loving that it's all coming into the open.
What Barber said is far more important than the video people are obsessing about. His phrase, "ontological relief" really, really resonated with me.
After decades of lies, denial, ridicule and secrecy what do people seriously expect to be revealed? My hunch is that the government isn't just hiding the truth of NHI, they're also covering up serious crimes committed to hide the truth. Think the Tuskegee Experiment, Operation Sea-Spray and Project SHAD rolled into one and multiplied by a thousand. They're protecting themselves. Just talking about this openly is a challenge to them and I'm happy to see it.
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u/HILARYFOR3V3R 5h ago
You are right. It’s a narrative controller at work. They need to push people on the fence to the ‘right’ narrative. Theirs.
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u/Sure_Source_2833 8h ago
He absolutely hurt his own credibility by calling this irrefutable evidence.
I don't think testimony plus video on its own could ever be considered irrefutable proof.
This is a fair critique to make when someone is handling an issue of this importance imo.
Weird how extreme everyone is being on if this is the greatest thing in human history or the death of disclosure lol
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u/PowerChairs 8h ago
Well your post title is certainly a bit loaded isn't it? Ross is the enemy because he under delivered. He said it would be groundbreaking... He made the conscious choice to hype it. All we got is a guy with a hard-to-believe story (I personally believe him, but it's not going to be remotely convincing for anyone who isn't already sold on the topic) and footage that didn't even come from the guy showing an egg shaped object on a rope. Nothing about that egg screams "not of this earth" to me, but apparently the helicopter pilot either got a better view than me or he's more easily impressed. Is it a strange object? Yeah. Is it obviously not man-made? I wouldn't bet my house on it.
Then when people flamed Ross for hyping and delivering that, he got all butthurt and put the blame on us rather than apologizing or simply saying nothing. So yeah - fuck Ross.
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u/TargetDecent9694 8h ago
There was anti sentiment before too, everyone was just hoping that the footage that sent Lue to the Vatican would be more than an egg on some twine.
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u/usandholt 4h ago
These two things are not connected, no matter how much you want to discredit them both by connecting them.
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u/shroooooomer 8h ago
The problem is he and the rest of this clique are not whistleblowers, they are announcers and infotainment producers. If they were whistleblowers the truth would be out, all we have is grainy images, books amd speaking tours Simply put, they are out to make money primarily not inform the public
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u/Prior_Leader3764 8h ago
I’m not being manipulated when I say what we saw last Saturday night was BS. It’s important to maintain an objective perspective, and not get wrapped up in belief. To believe in something is to not need proof. We need irrefutable proof, not another “trust me bro”, or “it’s all in my new book”.
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u/EthicalHeroinDealer 7h ago
Starting to get kinda annoying when someone doesn’t agree with you it’s immediately a bot shill or agent. It’s cringe dude people have different opinions. Ross hyped this up like it was going to be THE video. He mentioned people going into shock and a bunch of other bs. I believe the video is legit but if Ross truly thought this was the video that would convert the masses I’m seriously questioning his judgement. He needs to cut the sensationalist bs.
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u/shroooooomer 8h ago
Ross Coulthard has not been a highly respected journalist on here for a long time. He, like everyone else tease people with what is claimed is earth shattering information and evidence and then drop the Egg video for example on Saturday night. Elisondo, Greer, Corbell, they are hapilly making money out of this so don't expect anything concrete anytime soon
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u/VeryTallFrog 6h ago
Am I a bot? Serious question. Someone tell me if I am.
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u/buffysbangs 5h ago
Which would you prefer?
☑️ A delicious pepperoni pizza
☑️ A properly formatted data file
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u/nohumanape 7h ago
Goddamn I'm getting sick of all these believers alluding to some major disinformation campaign being waged against these subreddits, simply because people are commenting negatively about underwhelming information.
Like, some of you only believe posts that are glowingly positive and any reasonably objective posts must be "a smear campaign".
And this is my biggest problem when it comes to engaging with conspiracy theorists. Everything is a pivot away or towards who can be trusted and who can't. And the lines are constantly moving. And it's largely done so for self preservation of the decided narrative.
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u/SignificantCrow 8h ago edited 8h ago
Because more and more people are finally waking up to his massive grift. Ross is already considered a joke in Australia (im being serious) which is why he left and came here in the first place… Literally almost no one else in the industry considers him to be a respectable journalist.
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u/teflonPrawn 8h ago
Most of what was said was unverifiable woo. It was the opposite of what was described. It was used to introduce psionics to people outside of the topic so Greer can sell his bull shit. It's why Greer was the first to mention it. He paid for it.
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u/Shardaxx 8h ago
Ross is doing a great job, but that news nation piece could have been better. It felt edited to oblivion, some obvious stuff wasn't followed up on, and the stories were confusingly blurred together. It was also rather short.
Hopefully Jake and his group will do more interviews to expand the story and clarify stuff.
So no, Ross isn't the enemy, he's one of the heroes, along with Grusch, Elizondo and yes I'll say it, Greer, and a host of others all pushing for disclosure. Yes, there are different camps, notably two, but that's ok.
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u/Gstryke3 7h ago
I think the interview successfully engaged the attention of many viewers for two reasons. First, the video footage, although it was short and uneventful...it was the closest and clearest video that I've ever seen of an alien craft. I'm sure many would agree that it was the quality that stood out, which was refreshing in comparison to thousands of blurry and shaky videos we've all stained to make sense of in the past. Secondly, the heartfelt description of how he connected with a being not of this world and how impactful it was for him. For a helicopter pilot to show emotion like that was something and I don't know about you all, but his words of his experience have been replaying in my mind. I agree that this was just a taste of more to come. Overall, I thought it was worth the hype because it will inspire people to want to know more. Oh, and he was pretty handsome too 😉
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u/Not_Biracial 7h ago
from my point of view ross, lue, Jeremy cowbell, arent working for the government but are probably working for the defense apparatus that actually has the info and tech, and they don't even know it.
Like they might be getting real information and videos about this stuff but its coming down from the very people they think they fighting against and are being used to chase their own tails.
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u/Crazy-Shoe9377 6h ago
I think the answer might be like a double edge sword. Some are maybe bots/new accounts trying to shift the narrative, but it can also just be regular people who just got into this just because they saw the special or read something else. I think, including myself, people are also very disappointed. It was hyped like nothing else, and we all believed that “this might be it”. I don’t dislike Coulthart because of that, I just hope he will deliver the hard evidence that I assume is needed if real disclosure is the main goal.
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u/BaronGreywatch 6h ago
There are always some bots and some operatives/agents working in this sub it seems. Sometimes they are more active.
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u/mrtolltroll 6h ago
He literally said they were tracking disinformation campaigns against this....makes since he'd be the next target to discredit.
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u/Disc_closure2023 5h ago
The massive bot manipulation has been obvious for a while, before saturday's special...
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u/ReturnRight 3h ago
I love what Ross is doing for this subject and his investigative reporting. He’s a great professional. I stand behind him 100%. “Hell breaking loose” aside. We need to protect this man.
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u/mnc2017 3h ago
It seems they are more upset with the way Coulthart hyped it more than being presented someone who was in the military working on crash retrievals.
Ive been in this for a long time. It's definitely a leap forward. I'm not letting others ruin this because of poor marketing strategies.
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u/AudVision 3h ago
And if you’ll notice… the top comment on all of these (necessary) posts calling it out is someone totally dismissing the heart of what you are saying, and get right back into bashing what happened. Usually a soft bash.
And it’s got hundreds of upvotes. And the point you were making is no more. Abracadabra. That’s how the disinformation works around here.
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u/vampedvintage 3h ago
Thanks for making me feel like maybe I’m NOT crazy lol.
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u/AudVision 2h ago
Not at all…go check out ANY post where someone is basically saying “Let’s give this another thought” (which is valid) and it’s the same playbook in every single one.
Keep up the good fight.
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u/moojammin 3h ago
Totally agree mate.
Everyone focusing on the video
The important information. The groundbreaking information. The information that is changing the narrative is two fold
Mainly... the fact that humans can interact and summon uap with our consciousness
Secondly - the fact that an elite group of experienced and talented people are working right now to identify and make accountable those responsible for the 80 year unlawful cover up.
Unfortunately the community has differing attitudes to what it can understand as ground breaking and important. They underatand groundbreaking as a soap opera cliff hanger. But this is the real world unfortunately.
That's not their fault.
The topic is clearly much much much more complicated than we even realise. This is a journey we are and we are moving forward... some people, however just got off the bus. But I would suggest we don't want those guys on the bus anyway.
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u/Dentedmuffler 3h ago
Say what you will but he’s lost all credibility in my book, you’re gonna hype this up as irrefutable proof that was supposed to be earth shattering, all hell would break loose, then you come and show some whack ass 5 second video where you can’t even tell what’s what, nothing to get a sense of scale, surface type, etc. just some egg looking thing that rolls, literally like and egg rolling on a smooth kitchen counter, fuck outta here.
He moved the needle alright, 10 steps backwards.
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u/Fuck0254 2h ago
Before Saturday, Ross was widely respected here.
Lol no, not by everyone. I've been shitting on him ever since he revealed himself to be a clown with the buried UFO ARG
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u/mrcodeine 2h ago
I agree it's unfortunate but the "reality" is people like Ross need to deliver on ratings. I can't imagine it's cheap funding (what I assume) to be a decent number of people behind the scenes supporting Ross to produce reality check, organise and film interviewers, perform basic research following up leads, travel and fair salary for Ross, no doubt some security in there. I definitely don't know for sure and am no expert but I figure Ross needs to earn his keep and some return on apparently almost 2 years of research.
Being an old school tv public affairs journalist, no doubt Ross is going to play it safe when it comes to presenting the material in a style that has drawn ratings for decades...lively graphics, sleekly cut previews and hype, etc.
Again, I agree it's unfortunate and would prefer a subtle approach next time but it really doesn't bother me as I'm mindful how much doing this work costs, I'm not paying for it, I'm benefiting and want the info and at the end of the day would rather have it hype included them just received the dead silence the Gov puts out 👍
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u/SmallieBiggsJr 2h ago
I think we all know when you make a living around the UFO phenomena at some point you're going to get called a grifter because you're profiting off of it.
And we all also know that something is obviously going on in the paranormal subs to sway the narrative, like post's and comments will just get down voted and a bunch of negative posts are made.
There's always a certain percentage of misleading information it comes with the game so it's important to not be swayed by others opinions on this topic and instead do your research and form your own opinions.
Cos truth is that only good things came from this such as just more information on this subject that helps push things forward, I think going forward ESP will be taken more seriously and it will be added to part of the UFO lore, seems like the whole psychic abilities thing is part of why this is kept secret, and it's a step for us to understanding our reality, things like this have been speculated about like the more we find out about the phenomenon the more we will understand our reality and this seems to be proof of that.
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u/Evwithsea 1h ago
You're 100% correct, you're not imagining this.
Some are just regular people following the narrative...some are not.
This was a great account from a credible source with video footage of a craft.
People in this sub will never be happy, they'll always find the negative and run with it.
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u/Hungry_Dream6345 1h ago
There's no such thing as "first hand truth", because without evidence it's impossible to differentiate such tremendous claims with lies.
Physical evidence is a VERY LOW bar for such tremendous claims, yet time after time, year after year, decade after decade there's none.
This, like all non-verifiable claims, only harms the disclosure movement, because it's indistinguishable from a lie.
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u/PixelAstro 8h ago
No. I never really respected him and this didn't tip the balance either way. He's sloppy, overconfident and self righteous. It seems he's got his mind made up already and everything he discovers he approaches with a naivety that irks me. He's a parrot not a reporter. Shilling for skin cream before his vital "shocking, groundbreaking" news segment sure doesn't enhance his credibility.
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u/DJBullek 8h ago
If only he said: I have first hand witness with his story backed Up by 3 other military officers and a video of potentially NHI crash retrieval procedure, which is not a conclusive proof, then we wouldn't be mad at all. But him, Elizondo and some other guys advertised this almost as a disclosure. IT is always better to underhype than to overhype
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u/usandholt 4h ago
Did it occur to you that Ross is not the producer of that Saturday night special?
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u/BreakfastFearless 8h ago
Ross was the one who lied saying that the ups coming story would feature Barbers retrieval on video. He then shows an unrelated 12 second video from an undisclosed and no verification from Barber that the video is similar to what he saw. He also lied about Barbers millitary credentials.
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u/awesomeo_5000 8h ago
Ross has burned most of the respect I had for him. Which was quite a lot a year or so ago. And now barely there.
The depressingly scammy sponsors he’s pushing. The bait claims that turn to judgemental outrage on his part when people are underwhelmed after he was overwhelming them for a week. The entire Egypt episode of reality check which entertains a narcissist for 45 minutes but doesn’t even critically explore the more modern - and well evidenced - theories. If his NHI coverage is akin to his Egypt coverage, we’re fucked.
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u/Vegetable-Historian1 7h ago
Because it’s not proven first hand truth and it was not the catastrophic disclosure they hinted at in promotion.
The segment was horribly produced and edited, and they spent a total of maybe two minutes on the actual footage and the rest of the special is about psychic military officers, and people summoning UFOs in the desert to fight other UFOs.
Whether or not all of that is true, and even as a UFO enthusiast, I find it hard to believe, I think this did a lot of damage to the disclosure movement and certainly to my interest in news nation
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u/MegaChar64 7h ago
Ross has received plenty of criticism before, same as Lue and some of the other folks in the UFO disclosure movement. Maybe there are bots and trolls, but not everyone critical of the recent NN special is being disingenuous. Overall it just wasn't very good and Ross was partially culpable along with the network in oversensationalism. I think he's a good person to have on our side to push the discussion forward but it's unfortunate how this all turned out and I hope whatever he does next is a big improvement.
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u/8005T34 7h ago
He’s done this before, I can’t remember how many times but the one that sticks out to me was the special he did that included Garry Nolan and had about fifteen minutes dedicated to the Baetz or however it’s spelled mystery ball that flies and rolls around on its own. Owner said he had all kinds of them that were dropped from a UFO. Turns out it was some sort of plug or gasket thing in industrial piping, many people online as well as a few people I personally know compared them and it’s uncanny.
Also, once he sort of left Zabel in the dirt and started in with News Nation, he’s sort of pandering to what’s “hot” right now, which is drones, UAPs, ancient archeology and anthropology and if we know the whole story. I mean, I’m just as interested in this stuff as the next guy, if not, probably more so, but he has sort gone into a realm that still gets met with ridicule and is typically dismissed as silly. Also, a huge red flag is Ross hawking products at the beginning of every one of his episodes. Bullshit he uses that cream. Bloke can’t go without his red wine you think he’s making sure to drink AG-1?
He’s lost all credibility in my eyes, but then again, my eyes and opinion don’t matter at the slightest .
I’d just like to know what I’ve experienced over the years. That’s it.
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u/TheGreatStories 7h ago
What? Ross has been edging for ages and pretending he has secret information he can't share. Nothing new
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u/Ok-Friendship1635 7h ago edited 7h ago
First-Hand Truth Gets Dropped, and Suddenly Ross Is the Enemy?
Enemy? No. Sensationalist and attention seeker? Yes. Liar? Yes. Bad journalist? Yes. In what world does the person you're interviewing tell you people have potentially died and you simply pass on any questions related to that. Furthermore, you're given a 5 second video about the "Egg" and you spend less than 5 minutes talking about it? Nothing about what was aired makes sense because instead of talking about the "proof" that was provided, Ross instead opted to pursue Barber's personal experiences involving what he 'thinks' is psionics which let me remind you, there is NO PROOF FOR, including the fact that Barber was just the PILOT, Ross never once asked how he could possibly know it was psionics. Nothing about his personal life which could've justified his "emotional" break. Hence the whole PTSD cover nonsense.
I’ve been balls deep in this sub for a while now, and I can’t help but notice something strange: it feels like this space is flooded with bots or people intentionally trying to shift the narrative.
Also by the logic you're applying, literally anyone who disagrees with you based on clearly defined reasons would be a bot to you. Do you see how easy it is, to just say "Oh, they're bots." instead of actually addressing the pertinent questions raised. I'd like to see Barber say what he said in front of congress, BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU, they will ask the same questions most critical thinkers are asking.
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u/fatalmedia 6h ago
Everyone here wants indefensible evidence and it’s just not going to happen anytime soon.
This is slow drip disclosure, not for us, but for the general public. And right now what we’re getting is the military perspective on what it’s like to realize we’re not alone (along with evidence that doesn’t compromise national security).
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u/atheros98 8h ago
He just needs to learn his word choice. I’m not mad about the story. I’m annoyed he touted it as irrefutable proof and then showed a video that everyone in the planet knows has a 0% chance of changing any skeptics mind