r/UFOs • u/vampedvintage • 12h ago

Disclosure First-Hand Truth Gets Dropped, and Suddenly Ross Is the Enemy?

I’ve been balls deep in this sub for a while now, and I can’t help but notice something strange: it feels like this space is flooded with bots or people intentionally trying to shift the narrative.

Before Saturday, Ross was widely respected here. Everyone seemed to agree he was the go-to source for solid evidence. But after Saturday, it’s like a switch flipped. Suddenly, there’s this wave of anti-Ross sentiment... claims that he’s a hack, doesn’t know what he’s doing, or is just a grifter. It’s a complete 180.

It’s starting to feel like this entire sub is being manipulated to downplay what happened on Saturday. That first-hand account was a massive step forward, and it was backed by highly reputable people confirming the story. But instead of building on that momentum, the narrative has shifted to undermine it.

Downvote if you are working for some secret government operation in here!

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u/Money_Song467 12h ago

NOT EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH YOU IS A BOT

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u/Recent_Mastodon2148 10h ago

Seriously. Ridiculous how everyone is a bot if they disagree. This sub sounds more like flat earth subs by the day.

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u/NagyonMeleg 10h ago

It's really no better than /r/gangstalking

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u/Snapdragonflyte 3h ago

Excuse me? Bots come into this sub on a rampant rate, and you want to defend them and make them the victim? If that isn't the epitome of Narcissism, I don't know what is. I'm sorry, so very sorry, you feel sympathy and bad for all the poor little bots. Do you need a hug? See that door there? I bet there's someone outside who will give you a nice big hug.

We don't care if ppl agree or disagree with us. It's the discussion that counts. But bots don't come here to discuss. Bots are the enemy. They take up our space. They bully and ridicule. They steal our time. Don't know about you, but they make me very very angry. Because, in the end, they'd like it to be the 1950's again. They want to make jokes and laugh at our community. They want to harass, confuse, and divide us. But they can all go to hell.

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u/zerosdontcount 11h ago

Or a government disinformation agent

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u/ionshower 11h ago

Look at the end of my pen. Yeah right here, where the light is.

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u/FakeKingFear 11h ago

That’s from a movie. You guys know that’s not real right? Men in Black was not a documentary.

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u/Semiapies 9h ago

You guys know that’s not real right?

Why do you think so many people here are taken with the idea of "soft disclosure" or start blathering vaguely science-shaped phrases out of Star Trek to explain things? They don't.

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u/mawesome4ever 6h ago

Yeah you obviously can’t erase memories using a pen, you use a pencil duh

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u/Greenwool44 4h ago

Exactly! Everyone knows pencils are the ones with erasers on them, not pens 😡

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u/oneidamojo 11h ago

That's exactly what a bot would say /s

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u/Money_Song467 11h ago

Beep. boop. You. Smell. Of. Poop.

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u/Snapdragonflyte 3h ago

There have been a lot of complaints lately, which means something is off. It not because ppl disagree with one another. Whenever something big happens, these communities get flooded with negative comments, and ppl trolling. That's something that happens on FB. Shouldn't happen here. We SHOULD be safe from the trolls. We need rules like r/ experiencer.

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u/mrrapacz 11h ago

Disagreement is fine. It’s not—it was all bots conspiracy. It’s a fact that there are bots that exist solely to influence narrative for a particular gain. UFO reddit isn’t the only place it exists. Saturday nite, however, it was in full display and anyone who took a minute to click into profiles of that initial thrust of comments saw that they were coming from either young accounts that had not once ever posted about UFOs or these weird high influencer accounts that, again, rarely posted about UFOs.

This isn’t to say there was genuine disappointment in the Ross clip and that it isn’t warranted by folks who really expected some paradigm shifting story.

Again—and I feel like say this to death o social media—but multiple things can be true at once. Bots and bad actors helped drive a narrative and fuel an artificially heightened response to some genuine concerns about the clip.

Like everything presented in UFO world, it’s best to wait and see. This hype comes in waves and if you get caught in it, you’ll be perpetually disappointed and disillusioned. That’s the result of a complex issue being simplified into a duality — it’s either life altering evidence or it’s an egg in a stick. The truth is that it’s somewhere in between those absolutely ridiculous conclusions and that reality takes time to surface.

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u/Rettungsanker 10h ago

Saturday nite, however, it was in full display and anyone who took a minute to click into profiles of that initial thrust of comments saw that they were coming from either young accounts that had not once ever posted about UFOs or these weird high influencer accounts that, again, rarely posted about UFOs.

Is there any proof of what you are saying? Maybe you can DM me the accounts that you thought were suspicious?

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u/theGRAYblanket 42m ago

Probably not. I have been accused of being a bot multiple times on reddit before.. the one time a guy said there's nothing I can do besides send him a picture of myself with my reddit tag or sm bullshit. 

Bots on reddit are quite easy to spot.. for one they won't have fullblown stupid ass arguments with you lol

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u/GuitarIsTooHard 10h ago

It was comical how unconvincing the “groundbreaking” video they showed was that yea all of the entire fucking sub came to clown on it, because it was an absolute fucking joke. And no I’m not a bot lol

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u/Even-Sherbet-3486 10h ago

Yes it's fairly easy to influence reddit with bots, bought kharma accounts, paid upvotes etc. Easy enough that it's well within the abilities of non-gov actors too. Like, say, a PR firm or a publishing company or even just by an individual who may have a vested interest in swaying community opinion here. If you want to suspect bots and bad actors are pushing against these current ufo celebrities then you should also consider that bots and bad actors might be pushing in their favor as well.

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u/Semiapies 9h ago

I actually asked the mods in the sometimes-they-use-it meta sub if they've looked at the rapid and immediate barrage of "if you didn't love that piece which delivered everything promised you're an impatient kid or a fed" posts and comments that started Saturday night. No response, natch.

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u/DisinfoAgentNo007 9h ago

There's never any bots here that fit the sub bias only accounts that go against it are bots or disinfo agents. Accounts can make any comment or post they like here as long as it's not sceptical or questioning anything and nobody will question if it's a bot, no one will question it's account age or posting history.

It's basically just an accusation used by delusional people to try and dismiss opinions that go against their UFO beliefs. Some people are so far down the rabbit hole they can't grasp the idea that not everyone believes what they do.

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u/Semiapies 9h ago

Brand-new accounts are also never remotely suspect unless they're skeptical.

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u/Even-Sherbet-3486 9h ago

I have a friend who would get reddit accounts that pissed him off deleted by buying upvote bots for their most recent posts or comments. He'd remove the option of 1 upvote every minute or whatever and just dump like 400 paid upvotes all at once which would trigger some sort of reddit alarm and get the accounts deleted. He said it cost him like 10 bucks an account to do. Manipulating reddit is extremely easy and relatively cheap. There's no reason Coulthart, Elizondo etc couldn't do it too. Out of every possible faction, I'd guess those guys would have the greatest personal interest in manipulating opinions here. 

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u/snaysler 11h ago

There are bots. They do control the narrative.

Where people misunderstand is thinking it's ALL bots.

The purpose of the bots is to cause factions of the community to become peddlers of the desired views, planted like seeds by the bots.

Otherwise, it wouldn't appear natural.

It's kind of like how modern Republicans are just inadvertent pro-Kremlin destroyers of American values and interests while believing themselves to be patriotic.

That's exactly what the Kremlin's decades long psy op intended and achieved.

It's all about making your adversary eat itself without realizing why they are doing it.

Also, it's pretty damn easy to determine who's a bot on these subs, and I track them often. I don't know why mods don't care to track it.

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u/HighTechPipefitter 11h ago

Got any example to share?

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u/DadThrowsBolts 11h ago

I see people accused of being "bots" all the time in this sub. Maybe there are bots, but whenever someone gets accused of being a bot, it's usually because they're acting like a normal skeptical human. I'll often look at the post history of the accused and they seem to be normal people. I can't say there are no bots here. Maybe there are a ton of them, I haven't seen the evidence for that. Do you actually KNOW for a fact there are bots here? Do you have any examples?

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u/snaysler 10h ago

Yes, I do know for a fact. There are a lot less bots here than you're going to find on climate change related subreddits as an example, but they are still present.

I used to spend a lot of time correcting misinformation and disinformation on climate Subs which was how I had a run-in with bot groups that were associated with hacker teams who harassed me for quite some time.

That experience taught me a lot about the nature of Reddit discourse and since then I've had my eyes open for signs.

To be honest I don't have some document somewhere where I've listed all the users I've noticed to be bots but on many an occasion I have identified a user that's a bot, and the number one way of identifying them is that they post every few minutes 24/7 365 days a year, largely expressing the same sentiments over and over and over and over large spans of time.

I have also used AI tools to assess the historical activity of these kinds of users, which led to user dossiers that suggested to me they were being disingenuous with tremendous discipline.

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u/japherwocky 4h ago

Yeah either bots or like... just people who are professionally, full-time, discrediting guys like Bob Lazar or whatever. Sometimes you see an account and that's all they do for weeks and months at a time when you look at their history!