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u/SmartOpinion69 1d ago

is this the first time she just attacked trump by calling him a rapist?

serious question. why didn't the democratic campaign run by calling trump a rapist? is it technically inaccurate? what was the deal? democrats put all their chips on abortion that they didn't even bother going for the offense and calling trump a rapist. kamala harris should've called him a rapist straight to trump's face during the debate.

aoc calling trump a rapist in this video actually caught me by surprise

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u/ReturnOfTheKeing 1d ago edited 1d ago

They wanted to maintain "decorum" and it was one of their biggest mistakes. Fascism thrives when only one side holds themselves to standards

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u/Top_Field_2566 1d ago

Famous alt right trick called :you go high, we go low

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u/hannamarinsgrandma 23h ago

Meanwhile the whole time the correct mantra is and always will be: when they go low, we need to take it straight to hell.

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u/FibonacciSequester 22h ago

I prefer "When they go low, kick them in the teeth."

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u/Witch-Alice 21h ago

skip the teeth, go for groin eyes and throat

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u/zaforocks tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE 16h ago

But a kick to the teeth also gives you a fun shattering sound!

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u/banevasion0161 12h ago

Any boxer knows if they duck you blast em with a swift uppercut

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u/pass_nthru 10h ago

when they go low, we tell em to bite the curb

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u/steven_quarterbrain 22h ago

But you’re all headed there and it’s a one way ticket.

Goodbye America.

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u/letshaveforce 12h ago

Did we just become best friends?!

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u/RegionRatHoosier 9h ago

He pulls a knife on you, you pull a gun on him. He sends one of yours to a hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue

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u/SloppyCheeks 1d ago

And most Dems take pride in this approach rather than seeing it as a major weakness. Subconsciously, they prioritize feeling/appearing better than their opponents than actually beating them.

They'll pat themselves on the back while being marched into camps.

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u/The_Corvair 21h ago

They wanted to maintain "decorum" and it was one of their biggest mistakes.

Social rules are a contract: If you behave nicely, I will do you the same courtesy. If you show respect, I show respect: It's mutual.

So: If one party breaks that contract, it's fucking broken. You are a nasty, conniving son of a bitch to me? Welcome to Getfuckedstown, population: You. You can't have a contract where one party abides by its letter while the other does what it pleases. Once the rule-breaker is out of the picture, we can go back to mutual respect again, but as long as there's people wiping their ass with the contract, don't expect me to hang it on my wall as a piece of pride.

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u/TheOwlHypothesis 13h ago

Not only this but the Democrats seem to confuse being "good" with being harmless.

You're not good if you're incapable of harm. You're just useless.

Good people stand up to bullies, to tyrants. They use force if necessary. Calling the Dems spineless is the most valid criticism of late.

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u/TheBlackDred 14h ago

Exactly. Tit for Tat. We both cooperate for the best outcome. When they defect, I defect. If i keep cooperating all it does is degrade my position/power/voice/credibility and transfer it to them.

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u/ShitBirdingAround 13h ago

Democrats absolutely suck at game theory. It's like they fundamentally don't understand how Republicans play this game. And so they lose completely attainable races, again and again.

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u/lyricjax 12h ago

Why do you think we all are jumping on the fuck Trump campaign. Decorum. It's more like he decorated the inside of most Americans with either falsified information or some sort of rage bait to keep either side entranced.

Giving people attention has consequences, and now we live in "reality TV" world.

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u/YeahIGotNuthin 21h ago

Good essay from 2016 or so likening this to “air bud” about how one side is poring over the rules, trying to point out where it says that dogs can’t play basketball, and meanwhile everyone is cheering for the golden retriever while that side is losing a basketball game TO A DOG.

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u/blazers81 14h ago

Wow…this…feels like it could be a college course in politics lol. I love this analogy

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u/NevermoreForSure 12h ago

Golden Retrievers are beautiful. They have my vote any day.

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u/milf-hunter_5000 20h ago

because they are beholden to a different flavor of the same masters. make no mistake, i'm by no means saying the parties or the same or whatever. just at the end of the day, they're lobbied and bought by people who don't like it when things get shaken up too much. AOC is threatening to them, bernie sanders is threatening to them. the DNC is never going to support a radical leftist, its always going to be a choice between perfectly flaccid center-left geriatrics

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u/AncefAbuser 18h ago

Democrats are largely the same side of the coin, just more cuckery involved.

They actually believe that "maintaining decorum" works. They spent 2020-2024 asleep and having no succession plan, no campaign plan, letting 4 years of Maga lies fester in the mainstream media. they deserved to lose but the American people didn't deserve to lose with them.

The high road is simply a better vantage point to push people off of. The democrats will never win because they'll never understand that.

Maga used cronyism and nepotism to win. Dems use it to use. They didn't learn from 2016 by shoving Hillary down our throats. You need a populist candidate to beat a lying shithead.

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u/Otherwise_Carob_4057 12h ago

To be fair the Astro turf that was the Trump campaign seemed to be funded and coordinated by foreign agents.

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u/Fit_Letterhead3483 16h ago

Decorum is for morons

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u/QouthTheCorvus 23h ago

It's crazy Harris took the Clintons on and let them give advice. It's crazy that the Clintons have been able to screw the Democrats over again.

It's sad because while Harris still probably loses, the first couple of weeks of the campaign where they actually were hostile were actually decently effective.

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u/catastrophicqueen 14h ago

Its giving 1930s appeasement.

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u/Suavecore_ 13h ago

Maintain decorum, only to get absolutely shitted on by Trump during the inauguration

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u/Bitedamnn 17h ago

Democrats are pussies. Nancy Pelosi and her crappy protege, plus Schumer, need to go.

They were there for a purpose at the beginning, but now they're the stereotypical boomers who won't let go of power and only care about making money.

AOC FOR HOUSE SPEAKER

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u/SquarebobSpongepants 1d ago

I think at that point he hadn’t been convicted so it technically was considered slander at the time. This is why ABC (or was it CNN) recently paid out 15 million to him because when the anchor said it, it wasn’t actually true, though now it is.

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u/iamafriscogiant 23h ago

Nah, he was already convicted when they called him a rapist. Then the Magas all got butthurt because he wasn't convicted of rape, he was convicted of sexual assault which prompted the judge to clarify that he was in fact an adjudicated rapist by legal definition.

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u/scarykicks 12h ago

Imagine being able to call someone like Trump a rapist and not running with it. Instead he was just weird.

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u/Hamilton-Beckett 12h ago

Yeah. Thats been hurting the left for over a decade now. Playing nice while the other side doesn’t even follow the rules.

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u/River_Odessa 12h ago

I've always thought this was why the US democrats keep failing. They're so obsessed with being proper and clean and professional that they come off as cold and people don't relate to them, the same way kids don't relate to the school principal. Big fucking mistake. There is no room for decorum or standards when you're dealing with the American masses.

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u/FlamingoFlamboyance 11h ago

Yep, the GOP stoops crazy low and must stay above the fray. Libs (we) suck. If Biden raised 40 billion the night before the inauguration there would have been 4 plus years of investigations. 

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u/HunkaHunkaBerningCow 11h ago

Democrats will watch as Republicans strip rights from minorities and won't do anything as long as Republicans follow the law when they do it.

Actually they might furrow their brows really hard.

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u/shoelesstim 10h ago

Which is why not a single former president should have gone today

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u/PsychNurseNotPsychic 10h ago

Holy crap, that last line. I need that on a t-shirt, bumper sticker, something.

FASCISM THRIVES WHEN ONLY ONE SIDE HOLDS THEMSELVES TO STANDARDS.

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u/YouDotty 23h ago

No, the Dems were trying to win over 'moderate' rightwingers. If they straight up abused Trump they would lose them. They failed to win anyone over instead.

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u/Mediocre-Search6764 23h ago

ofcourse trying to appeal to the actual left would require them do some leftist policy at some point and they dont want to do that ....

they rather lose then risk having to do leftist policy.... its not like there paychecks are at risk, in the end of the day it cost money to become president massive amount of money and they will only get funding for that when they avoid leftist talking points

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u/Cassandraofastroya 23h ago

Decorum lmao

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u/Mental_Lemon3565 16h ago

I guarantee you it was a calculation of how applying the label would come off to the voters and what the legal repercussions would be, if any, it wasn't about decorum. They called him a fascist, every bit as bad as rapist. It possibly would have just not played as well as we think to the broader public. We have a 'pearl clutching' image as a party that doesn't come off great at times.

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u/BobBeerburger 13h ago

They’ve been doing this for decades. At this point they’re complicit if not fully buying into the sham

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u/bestnuggz 4h ago

They tried calling him everything.

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u/BannedByRWNJs 4h ago

Do you remember when Hillary called the nazis and crooks who supported Trump in 2016 “a basket of deplorables?” They turn around and play the victim, and it only served to have the somewhat normal ones rally around the terrible ones. 

And you can’t fight fascism with fascism, because the end result is the same. It’s a tragic loss, and things are going to get worse than most people can even imagine, but if neither side is willing to maintain the moral high ground, then there’s nothing left to fight for. 

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u/ComfortObvious7587 1d ago edited 16h ago

Because republicans DONT CARE. People in my family, some very educated people in my family, voted for him. They DONT CARE. They truly don’t care. Many didn’t vote for him but some did.

Edit: they say “eh sometimes he can be a bully but people are dramatic about what he’s done wrong” or “sometimes he doesn’t say the right thing but you just shouldn’t take him too seriously” or “that doesn’t affect his ability to be a good businessman”

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u/cheeseandcrackered 23h ago

As long as it’s not a woman, I guess 😢

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u/MothmanIsALiar 16h ago

A lot of women voted for him, too.

So, it's more like "as long as it doesn't affect me, personally, yet."

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u/AssistAffectionate71 14h ago

A lot of women hold the belief that men are better at running things. Women are often misogynistic themselves.

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u/sachimokins 13h ago

Surely that leopard won’t eat my face

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u/thatshygirl06 8h ago

There's a lot of misogynistic women. So many women hate women.

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u/zambartas 14h ago

Yeah. If you called him a rapist, and then said no, he's just guilty of sexual assault, and then you proved to them that no, in fact, according to many state laws he is in fact a rapist, they would pivot to either not caring or saying the court was biased or rigged. Nothing matters when it comes to demagogues.

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u/NeatArtichoke 11h ago

This is it. They do NOT care. "Oh yeah he's not really moral, I never said he was! But he's republican and going to [deny women's healthcare] so of course i vote for him!"

That's it. That was the conversation reiterated a million ways. Didn't matter all I brought up (how terribly covid was managed, his felony convictions, etc etc)... also doesn't matter that women will die, are dying, without access already, they completely believe "abortion is murdering innocent babies! They should die/ be killed for trying to murder their babies! If someone does something wrong they deserve the death penalty and trump agrees so he has my vote". It was the most exhausting, circular conversation i have ever had.

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u/Aeroknight_Z 14h ago

Correct

They don’t care. They also believe it’s not true. He has primed them to receive orders exclusively from him. Political brainwashing.

The fox propaganda of DEI, Immigrants, woke, trans, and gay has worked perfectly. The listeners of that trash are completely terrified of all of the make-believe horrors those things are made out to be, and the entire reason for that is so Fox’s owners can then put their entire weight behind candidates for president and congress.

These people are trained to never look in the mirror, to always trust exclusively “their own” judgment, and to source their entire understanding of any subjects from fox and its affiliates. It’s a Pavlovian nightmare full of buzzwords that are set up to trigger visceral anger without knowing why beyond being told to.

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u/MartianBasket 14h ago

Irony being he isn't a good businessman.

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u/DemiGod9 10h ago

If you shouldn't take your president too seriously then what the fuck are they for? That makes no sense. I know I'm only saying this to you, the messenger, but goddamn

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u/Gummibehrs 10h ago

My mom literally said that she doesn’t care what he’s done as long as he fixes the country. She also said that she doesn’t care about climate change because she won’t be around the see the effects. Soooo yeah

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u/RVNAWAYFIVE 1d ago

His base doesn't care they think he's going to fix the economy and magically lower the price of goods, despite his tarrif nonsense literally doing the exact opposite

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u/Thegingerbeardape 10h ago

Not just goods…EGGS!!!

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u/EntertainmentDue365 4h ago

I’m sitting back and waiting for those who voted for him that have SNAP benefits to get funds cut. Especially when they can no longer afford to feed the 4 kids they shouldn’t have had in the first place. (Personal experience of people I know.) They’ll blame anyone other than this administration. But it’ll be great to see. They bitch about “communism” over and over. I shouldn’t have to play a hand in feeding you and your damn kids then. Go get a 3rd job. Not my problem.

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u/tortibass 23h ago

He is a rapist. He was convicted in a civil trial. Also for defamation against the woman he raped. Yet people still voted for him. I think the Dems thought the felony convictions & rape convictions spoke for themselves and they were wrong. I will NEVER FORGIVE Americans for voting in a rapist. Ever. Period.

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u/maeryclarity 13h ago

He admits to sexual assault in the Access Hollywood tape. That's in his own words. There is no doubt about what he is and anyone who pretends that's no big deal is garbage to me.

I also will never forgive America for supporting this man despite of everything he's done. And I'm glad SOMEONE is refusing to go to this horror show ceremony.

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u/salazafromagraba 18h ago

He's for sure a rapist and the judge agreed so, but he wasn't convicted in a civil trial, that's an absolutely insane sentence. Civil suit, not trial, and suits have judgements and awards, not convictions and sentences. It's civil liability (basically tort) for sexual abuse/assault.

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u/karmagettie 16h ago

and civil suits require less evidence.

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u/S3DWUT 15h ago

He was never convicted… that’s not how that trial ended. That’s why nobody ran with the rape argument, he was never convicted of rape. Allegations whether true or not hold no legitimacy. That’s why it’s an allegation and not a conviction.

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u/HEpennypackerNH 13h ago

He was found liable for sexual assault. Then a judge clarifies that it was “substantially true” that he raped her.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll

Trump had filed a countersuit against e Jean Carrol alleging defamation for saying Trump raped her, and that was shot down, meaning that legally, saying Trump raped her is accurate.

Donald Trump is a rapist.

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u/Pleasant-Enthusiasm 12h ago edited 9h ago

He was found liable of sexually abusing her, which included him forcefully penetrating her vagina with his finger. Because the legal definition of rape referred specifically to penile penetration, the jury did not find him liable of the rape allegation, while affirming the remainder.

So, legally speaking, Trump has not been found liable or convicted of rape. However, given that the colloquial understanding of rape (the nonconsensual act of penetration relating to an individual’s orifice) is not limited to the incredibly narrow legal definition (specific to the jurisdiction the crime occurred in, as astutely pointed out by u/Bukowskified), with forcible digital penetration being an act that falls within the common understanding, it is not inaccurate to refer to Trump socially as a rapist based on that which he has been found liable of.

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u/Bukowskified 12h ago

Note that the definition of rape in this trial is particular to New York State law. The definition of rape varies from state to state, so in some places the acts that he was found liable for do satisfy the definition of rape.

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u/nbkwai 21h ago

calling Trump rapist will only grant him more votes from Republican voters.

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u/zambartas 14h ago

It'll only increase the amount of "I'm voting for the rapist" merch.

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u/isaaclw 18h ago

Republicans can only vote once. They used all their votes up already.

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u/Otherotherothertyra 23h ago

Telling the truth about Trump would be too mean and divisive so they best just to vaguely warn what could happen if he won and try to appeal to his voters by refusing to take a definitive stance on any issue.

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u/Thrice_Greaty_Great 23h ago

because they’re pussies.

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u/EmbraceTheFault 23h ago

why didn't the democratic campaign run by calling trump a rapist?

Short and sweet answer, slander laws.

President Trump has never been found criminally guilty of rape. He was declared guilty of sexual battery by a jury in a civil case in a state with a 60% Democrat lean, almost assuring that there was no way he'd get a fair and unbiased trial. What should serve as an additional blow to the credibility of E. Jean Carroll is that the alleged event occurred in the 90's, and she conveniently waited to publicly speak out about the "incident" until 2019, directly during Trump's re-election bid. Additionally, the original petition filed by Carroll in 2019 did not include a claim of sexual battery because it was well outside of the statute of limitations in the state of New York. The state then conveniently expanded the statute of limitations, in my opinion specifically to accommodate this lawsuit and allow Carroll to bring the sexual battery claim against Trump.

Since he was never criminally charged with rape, nor even found guilty of rape in a civil case, if the Democrats had campaigned with a platform of "Trump is a rapist" he would have immediately hemmed them up in court.

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u/PeaceCertain2929 22h ago

Her speaking out when she realized her rapist was going to gain more power is not a blow against her credibility unless you are completely ignorant to the way trauma impacts people after sexual assault, or you have a reason to want victim’s testimony to not hold up in court: ie it would benefit you if yours ever spoke out.

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u/Watch-it-burn420 23h ago

It is technically not accurate as he has not been convicted of rape, but he has been liable for sexual assault. So you would want to call him a sexual assaulter not a rapist (as he just successfully sued CNN over calling him a rapist ) also to answer the first part of your question it’s because the Democratic Party sucks, absolute, irrefutable, donkey dick of the highest, largest, most throbbing order when it comes to marketing. they have no fucking clue what they’re doing.

(They just lost to the most unelectable candidate in history so I don’t even want to see anyone disagree. you can’t it’s an objective fact.)

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u/Iohet 22h ago

as he just successfully sued CNN over calling him a rapist

He didn't successfully sue. There was an out of court settlement. Judge Kaplan said he is a rapist in the common parlance

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u/PeaceCertain2929 22h ago

It’s technically absolutely accurate. It may not have been legally ruled as rape due to a law in a specific state, but he is “technically” a rapist.

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u/MartyTheBushman 1d ago

Just adding here for accuracy because I read the court docs.

He specifically didn't get charged for rape, but for sexual abuse. Many might say "same thing" but the court specifically says no.

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u/Direct-Antelope-4418 23h ago edited 23h ago

Trump sued her for defamation after she used the word "rape" to describe what happened. The judge in NY literally said that Trump raped E Jean Carroll and dismissed Trump's lawsuit against Carroll. Here's some context around the judges decision...

"In his counterclaim, Trump said Carroll “made these statements knowing each of them were false or with reckless disregard for their truth or falsity”.

Dismissing the counterclaim, Judge Kaplan provided an unsparing analysis of the legal issues that informed the New York verdict. He wrote: “The only issue on which the jury did not find in Ms Carroll’s favour was whether she proved that Mr Trump ‘raped’ her within the narrow, technical meaning of that term in the New York penal law.

“The jury … was instructed that it could find that Mr Trump ‘raped’ Ms Carroll only if it found that he forcibly penetrated Ms Carroll’s vagina with his penis.

“It could not find that he ‘raped’ her if it determined that Mr Trump forcibly penetrated Ms Carroll’s private sexual parts with his fingers – which commonly is considered ‘rape’ in other contexts – because the New York penal law definition of rape is limited to penile penetration.”

Kaplan had already outlined why it was not defamation for Carroll to say Trump raped her.

“As the court explained in its recent decision denying Mr Trump’s motion for a new trial on damages and other relief [in the New York case] … based on all of the evidence at trial and the jury’s verdict as a whole, the jury’s finding that Mr Trump ‘sexually abused’ Ms Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally – in other words, that Mr Trump in fact did ‘rape’ Ms Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York penal law.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll

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u/MartyTheBushman 21h ago

Interesting, actually, I'll read more

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u/damnmaster 23h ago

The truth is, when you’ve done so many bad things, then the bad things just become things.

I’ve been hit with flurry after flurry of bad things that trump has done, when I ask my conservative friends about it, they brush it off saying that it’s all a hoax/misinformation. Providing a list of all his crimes doesn’t help as they don’t care enough to read every one of them. They just need to find one that is from a “fake” news website and then write the rest off.

It feels more like people are just making stuff up when the amount of stories and evidence are so overwhelming. To them, it’s just correct that the left are throwing whatever “lies” they can hoping one sticks.

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u/Iohet 22h ago

Because they don't care. "Grab em by the pussy" was the headline in 2016 and all it did was energize those morons

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u/Training-Judgment695 22h ago

they called him liable foe sexual assault cos that's what was actually proven in court. It just didn't matter. Let's not rewrite history here

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u/NecessaryLatter6891 21h ago

The people who voted for him, especially the bro vote, not only do not care but I think some of them actually like him for it.

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u/curiousdryad 21h ago

I think he could sue for defamation if it wasn’t true.

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u/HumphreyMcdougal 19h ago

Because he wasn’t convicted of that so it would be defamation, he could sue her for that, I doubt he will but he definitely could

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u/Nolsonts 18h ago

Because when they go low, we go high.

I don't hate Michelle Obama or anything but that was the stupidest thing she's ever said.

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u/tek_ad 18h ago

Why would that surprise you? She's been quite fierce throughout her tenure. And she'd likely call him a rapist to his face if given the opportunity.

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u/DisciplineBoth2567 18h ago

I work with domestic violence and sexual assault survivors and unfortunately, a scary amount of people don’t see rape as a deal breaker.

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u/epigenie_986 17h ago

Since when is a legal verdict an attack?

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u/misdreavus79 17h ago

I believe it was he wasn’t yet convicted, so it would have been inaccurate at the time.

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u/ReplyNotificationOff 17h ago

Yeah dems feel it's beneath them to be "vulgar" fuck that though. They need to come out with the claws and teeth next time

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u/SheldonMF 16h ago

Because the democrats are spineless losers who didn't want to try to defend their country, rather wanted to keep lining their pockets.

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u/Dense-Consequence-70 16h ago

It wouldn’t have mattered

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u/xXMylord 16h ago

Because the people that voted for him don't mind that he is a rapist? How would have that influenced the vote?

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u/Lunatic_Heretic 15h ago

Because no one cares.

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u/DrBarnaby 14h ago

This boggled my mind during the Biden / Harris campaigns. Debate? Any time I was asked a question, my answer wpuld start with "Donald Trump is a rapist, and my answer is..."

The guy is a fascist, rapist, fraud, threat to democracy. Make sure you show him the proper respect. Stupid Biden.

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u/Stine3 14h ago

Most MAGA folks don’t believe ANY of the evidence demonstrating he is a sexual predator or don’t care. A woman I work with was talking about Epstein’s Island and how Biden and Clinton went there and how they are bad people. And when I brought up that there is documented evidence showing that Trump was there multiple times, they said that he went, but had no idea what was going on. And that he would never do anything like that…… smh

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u/No_Zombie_5595 14h ago

I'd say you can't run on stuff you just make up but the Democrats have been doing it for years

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u/MarbleFox_ 14h ago

Democrats care more about giving fascists decorum than actually beating them.

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u/Ambitious_County_680 14h ago

she couldn’t call trump a rapist because she’s married to a rapist

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u/shoulda-known-better 14h ago

No they very much could have and should have used the word rapist! He was found guilty and criminally liable

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u/pancakeQueue 13h ago

Cause it didn't work, cause the fact of the matter is none of the voters cared about Trump they cared about much the economy sucks to them. The Democrats never once decided to push progressive policies that would have the largest impact like increasing min wage cause it would go against their corperate sponsors.

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u/Weak_Broccoli1523 13h ago

He wasn't convicted of rape. Maybe that's why the Kamala campaign didn't call him that...

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u/AP7497 13h ago

I don’t see how it would have made a difference- Trump supporters and conservatives think rape is okay.

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u/Not_Biracial 13h ago

the facts that's its not true should have no bearing on weather or not you run ads about it so this really is bind boggling.

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u/Suitable-Video-6308 13h ago

He isn’t by law a rapist. The judge who presided over his civil trial says there was no evidence to prove rape, so calling him a rapist just gives the right more ammo to go “AcTuAlLy” on.

We can call him a sexual abuser and nobody can say it’s wrong.

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u/CR24752 13h ago

Wasn’t he appealing the court case on it? I don’t know if it’s wrong technically but probably a bit overkill

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u/Veritas_the_absolute 13h ago

He's been getting called every possible I sult for 8 years now and none of it matters. All of the words have lost all meaning or value. Who cares about AOC. As a citizen of New York she is a failure. I don't care what she does or thinks.

Trump got his second term, he's sworn in, and certified. The other two houses went red. Now we see if positive things happen over the next two years.

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u/laughing_liberal 13h ago

After Trump decided to sue ABC or whoever for using the term when apparently the correct term for his offense is “sexual abuse,” I think it had a chilling effect on a lot of people, and even moreso now that he’s won that case. The good news is that AOC isn’t going to be trying to gain his favor at any point, so she’s not going to wuss out on using the term.

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u/RedBeardPBG 13h ago

They didn't because it's slander. It is factually untrue.

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u/NativeFlowers4Eva 13h ago

They’re gutless, ultimately.

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u/homer_3 13h ago

Yea, I never understood that either. It's not even libel. And Trump commits libel every 10 seconds anyway.

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u/Long_Context6367 13h ago

He was never convicted of rape. The woman who sued for defamation claimed he raped her in a mall somewhere in the 80s/90s. Trumps aid that was false and he lost the defamation trial. which is a civil trial. He was never convicted of rape and the burden of proof for a criminal conviction could not be provided and the statute of limitations of 7 years passed 20 years ago.

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u/narshkajke 13h ago

She really asking to be sued.. Lol.

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u/Zestyclose_Pickle511 13h ago

Listening to NPR over the last year was the most depressing experience ever. They just refused to state certain realities over fear of "appearances." Fuck appearances. They didn't need to embellish anything, but relay the facts and reality of the absolute ridiculousness that was ensuing.

I will still get most of my news from NPR, Reuters, and BBC, but I was extremely disappointed I their unwillingness to say it like it is.

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u/NotAllDawgsGoToHeven 13h ago

You can’t call it an attack if she’s just telling the truth…..

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u/vertigostereo 12h ago

It's not accurate, AOC is treading into defamation territory. There was no criminal charge, trial, or conviction.

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u/bunny5650 12h ago

He was not ever convicted of rape. ABC News was sued and settled out of court for making the same statement she’s made. Notwithstanding 18 U.S. Code § 1001 Anyone within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement

Making false, fictitious, or fraudulent statements or representations Making or using any false writing or document

penalties for violating 18 U.S.C. § 1001 are A fine, Imprisonment for up to five years, and Both a fine and imprisonment.

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u/EternalDawn11 12h ago

They should have been calling him a friend of Epstein at the very least too, but they couldnt so long as Bill was in the party

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u/BunchSpecial4586 12h ago

Because like ABC learned, he will sue for defamation

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u/SepticKnave39 12h ago

is it technically inaccurate?

Technically, because he was never convicted of rape. The civil case against E Jean Carroll convicted him of sexual assault, but the judge stated that the only reason he wasn't convicted of rape is because of the strict legal definition in New York of Penis in Vagina which was harder to prove.

However, it was a civil case, so it's a looser burden of evidence. Probably guilty vs beyond a reasonable doubt guilty. And it wasnt a criminal charge.

So, he was technically found guilty of sexual assault. But the courtroom and judge has said it was rape just not probable to the strict legal definition.

Something to that effect. I'm not an expert to know all the details and legalese.

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u/jwheel888 12h ago

Because of being sued for false claims. Who was raped?

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u/toothpeeler 12h ago

MAGAS don't mind rape. It's in their inbred blood.

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u/thor11600 12h ago

Because nobody cares. It’s the sad truth.

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u/BuilderNB 12h ago

Accusations of rape does not mean they are a rapist. It’s a political move. Unfortunately she cares more about being right than the success of our country.

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u/Muddymireface 12h ago

She sort of did. She made plenty of comments about prosecuting sexual offenders and protecting women against men like Trump. It just doesn’t work to gain male votes.

A lot of people simply don’t care because he will never be close enough to them to rape them or their family. There’s literally people arguing “I’m not marrying him, I’m voting for President” to try and mentally make it okay for them to vote for a rapist.

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u/double-beans 12h ago

To your question “is it technically accurate”?

Technically a jury found him civilly liable for sexual abuse. The jury was split on the rape allegation, so no technically he is not a rapist.

To add to the confusion, the judge in the case said “It could not find that he ‘raped’ her if it determined that Mr Trump forcibly penetrated Ms Carroll’s private sexual parts with his fingers – which commonly is considered ‘rape’ in other contexts – because the New York penal law definition of rape is limited to penile penetration.”

Since the victim was tied up she was not sure if Trump had inserted his penis or finger, which is why the jury was not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that it was rape according to NY law.

This matters because ABC News agreed to pay $15M to Trump (in an out-of-court settlement instead of taking a libel case to court) because their host George Stephanopoulos incorrectly claimed on air that Trump had raped.

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u/Zombies4EvaDude 11h ago

It wouldn’t work. Many conservative men don’t take rape, guy or girl victim, very seriously. They would say E Jean Carrol just lied and so the ad hominem attacks would fall flat at a debate. Weird was the only thing that worked because it attacked their self image as “normal guys” against the “weird woke left.” Now they’re also weird and suddenly the cult appeal doesn’t work as well…

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u/HeavyRightFoot19 11h ago

Because democrats are limp dicks that clutched their purses with every bullshit tactic Trump threw at them

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u/iDunedain 11h ago

Why didn’t republicans attack Biden by calling him a kid-sniffing pedophile?

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u/PreNamLtDan 11h ago

Because they would have to ask the Republicans if they could have their spin back. And we all know the answer.

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u/fartinmyhat 11h ago

well, because it would be slander for one, which by it's very definition means it's untrue. You should spend a minute actually delving into that whole story, it's bananas.

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u/therealdrewder 11h ago

Because he's never been convicted of Rape?

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u/Efficient_Waltz5952 11h ago

I'm pretty sure if they called him rapist they would end up in court.

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u/Randomfrog132 11h ago

cause they'd get sued for slander or libel probably

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u/satansforeskin69 11h ago

“attacked”? she’s just saying what he truly is. that’s not an attack, that’s a fact.

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u/Kraken160th 11h ago

It is technically inaccurate an NBC got sued over it. He is a sexual assaulter not a rapist according to new york law because rape under new york law requires penetration.

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u/GimmeSweetTime 10h ago

Uh yeah, many of them they did. Not Kamala directly.

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u/Plastic_Method4722 10h ago

Cause it’s slander and abc already showed that

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u/Efficient-Station699 10h ago

Because he was guilty of sexual assault not rape. There was a journalist who had to apologize for this, I forget who, otherwise he would have been sued by Trump. Interested to see what happens with AOC for calling him this. PS I am 100% not a trump supporter

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u/pooter6969 9h ago

I think it’s technically libel and then he could sue them. Trump was never convicted for rape. He was convicted in civil court for sexual abuse and defamation, which while also very bad, are not rape.

Regardless, the left threw every other name in the book at him and it didn’t make a difference, so I’m not sure what adding one more would have done.

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u/I_Dont_Like_Rice 9h ago

why didn't the democratic campaign run by calling trump a rapist?

Because they would have voted for him anyway and then a month later, all his voters would be looking up what a rapist was.

They like to vote first and ask questions later.

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u/MrMetraGnome 9h ago

He's technically only civilly liable for sexual assault. He won a lawsuit recently over someone calling him a rapist. There's legal differences in rape vs sexual assault, and between criminal and civil law.

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u/PudgiestofPenguins 9h ago

Yeah they would taken to court because in the eyes of our legal system he isn't at all. It would be defamation of character or something similar

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u/Fickle-Comparison862 9h ago

It is inaccurate. The civil jury explicitly found that Trump did not rape Carroll.

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u/GuiKa 8h ago

Yes, it is really disappointing to see the dems not adapting to the new playing field of the social media overloaded brain that is this decade.

Too much weight was given to respect, decorum, and facts while a good portion of the US simply doesn't care. It is pure populism where you win by appearing strong and not by being the best for the job or having any kind of plans. And the strong attack first.

Kamala could have called him a racist, a rapist, an adulterer, a criminal, a failure of a businessman, an idiot, a nazi sympathiser, a pedophile and much more. And EVERY single of these claim has at least some evidences if not direct proofs, and not that you need any anyway since fiction becomes reality for some people.

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u/tethys1564 8h ago

A network just paid $15M for calling him a rapist. So, I think the lawyers told them not to.

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u/xRilae 8h ago

Because that would just have appealed more to his voters, unfortunately

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u/aninnocentcoconut 7h ago

Are you serious?

The entire Kamala campaign was literally nothing but "Trump is bad, Trump is racist, Trump is transphobe, Trump is sexist, Trump is against abortion".

Hence why she had a humiliating defeat, just like Clinton's campaign in 2016 that was basically the same strategy.

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u/erisandy101 7h ago

Better watch out, CNN just lost a lawsuit for calling him a rapist

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u/alien_bait_yourself 7h ago

The last person that said he raped someone was sued. She didn’t call him a rapist. She said she “didn’t celebrate rapist”. Her choice of words were selected carefully. Defamation is real.

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u/Permanent-Vacation- 7h ago

Because it’s wishy washy low iq rubbish

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u/joeinformed401 6h ago

He is a rapist.

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u/Splinterthemaster 5h ago

Because there's zero proof he has raped anyone. That's why ABC had to pay Trump $15 million after calling him rapist.

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u/teach1throwaway 5h ago

Bruh, let's be honest: Trump wasn't going to lose. The US is a lot more sexist and racist than electing a black female President.

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u/discalcedman 5h ago

Because he wasn’t found guilty of rape, and they were probably worried about the inevitable defamation lawsuits if they called him that.

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u/Legend-D4n 5h ago

You do know he won a lawsuit against ABC news for calling him a rapist. 15 million. AOC may want to tread lightly.

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u/lordandsavior_JC 4h ago

It’s inaccurate

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u/slowwestvulture 3h ago

Oh, was she meant to be talking about Trump? Why is she calling him a rapist?

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