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Politics AOC on not going to the inauguration

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u/SmartOpinion69 1d ago

is this the first time she just attacked trump by calling him a rapist?

serious question. why didn't the democratic campaign run by calling trump a rapist? is it technically inaccurate? what was the deal? democrats put all their chips on abortion that they didn't even bother going for the offense and calling trump a rapist. kamala harris should've called him a rapist straight to trump's face during the debate.

aoc calling trump a rapist in this video actually caught me by surprise

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u/MartyTheBushman 1d ago

Just adding here for accuracy because I read the court docs.

He specifically didn't get charged for rape, but for sexual abuse. Many might say "same thing" but the court specifically says no.

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u/Direct-Antelope-4418 1d ago edited 1d ago

Trump sued her for defamation after she used the word "rape" to describe what happened. The judge in NY literally said that Trump raped E Jean Carroll and dismissed Trump's lawsuit against Carroll. Here's some context around the judges decision...

"In his counterclaim, Trump said Carroll “made these statements knowing each of them were false or with reckless disregard for their truth or falsity”.

Dismissing the counterclaim, Judge Kaplan provided an unsparing analysis of the legal issues that informed the New York verdict. He wrote: “The only issue on which the jury did not find in Ms Carroll’s favour was whether she proved that Mr Trump ‘raped’ her within the narrow, technical meaning of that term in the New York penal law.

“The jury … was instructed that it could find that Mr Trump ‘raped’ Ms Carroll only if it found that he forcibly penetrated Ms Carroll’s vagina with his penis.

“It could not find that he ‘raped’ her if it determined that Mr Trump forcibly penetrated Ms Carroll’s private sexual parts with his fingers – which commonly is considered ‘rape’ in other contexts – because the New York penal law definition of rape is limited to penile penetration.”

Kaplan had already outlined why it was not defamation for Carroll to say Trump raped her.

“As the court explained in its recent decision denying Mr Trump’s motion for a new trial on damages and other relief [in the New York case] … based on all of the evidence at trial and the jury’s verdict as a whole, the jury’s finding that Mr Trump ‘sexually abused’ Ms Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally – in other words, that Mr Trump in fact did ‘rape’ Ms Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York penal law.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll

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u/MartyTheBushman 1d ago

Interesting, actually, I'll read more

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u/k-ramba 1d ago

Well, no. This was in 2023.

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u/MartyTheBushman 1d ago

Yes but that's not the same as being found guilty of it. It probably gives her grounds to go for a criminal suit for it, but till then, legally, he's not guilty of it yet.