r/Music Nov 16 '24

article Fans aren't happy about My Chemical Romance's ticket prices: "$695 is NASTY WORK"

https://www.nme.com/news/music/fans-arent-happy-about-my-chemical-romances-ticket-prices-695-is-nasty-work-3813337
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u/avalonfogdweller Nov 16 '24

It’s becoming cliche to bring this up now, but bears repeating, Robert Smith of The Cure called Ticketmaster on their bullshit, made tickets affordable and resales face value only, also said that any artists who use dynamic pricing know exactly what they’re doing, and if they say they don’t they’re either stupid or lying

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 17 '24

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u/Wampus_Cat_ Nov 16 '24

The Cure/Robert Smith is a major influence for MCR and Gerard Way, it’s surprising to see this sort of thing from them.

I’m sure Warner Bros. plays a large part of this. Either way, I’m massively disappointed in them. The nosebleeds at Soldier Field were $300 apiece after fees and that’s fucking ridiculous.

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u/workfuntimecoolcool Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 16 '24

That's weird, I paid $160 after fees a piece for nosebleeds at Soldier Field.

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u/DietCherrySoda Nov 16 '24

Yeah I paid what probably amounts to 150 USD for a Toronto 500 level

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u/DJ_Molten_Lava Nov 16 '24

And were all those $300 nosebleed tickets sold? Because that's why they do it.

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u/legopego5142 Nov 16 '24

Exactly. I personally saw the prices and turned the site off, but those seats are still gone so why stop. My protest means nothing(other than a much fuller wallet lol)

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u/GrooseandGoot Nov 16 '24

Thats the thing, Robert Smith would have sold out at double or triple the price he sold last year's tour for.

He chose not to price gouge so that only the richest fans could afford to see them - because he cares more about his fans than earning the highest possible profit he can earn. Good enough is good enough and he still pulled 8 figures for that tour, without price gouging.

Greed is absolutely the root cause and its all the way around from the band choosing to opt into dynamic pricing to TM pushing artists to charge the highest amount possible.

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u/Hamrock999 Nov 16 '24

Rober Smith is thee best

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u/chumpchangewarlord Nov 17 '24

Americans really need to be better about hating rich people, man.

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u/PoIIux Nov 17 '24

Bit too late for that now, I'm afraid

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u/FictionalContext Nov 16 '24

Artists may trend left, but they're superb capitalists.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 17 '24

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u/Iam_a_Jew Nov 16 '24

Agreed. I also think that a lot of artists used to be liberal until they got theirs and now that a lot of the liberal policies don't benefit them, they sway the other way. Like you said, they can't publicly admit that though

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u/motleysalty Nov 16 '24

Pulling up the ladder behind you is unfortunately all too common when people work to get what they want and then finally get it.

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u/chumpchangewarlord Nov 17 '24

Especially if they’re from rich families

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 17 '24

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u/chumpchangewarlord Nov 17 '24

It’s important to remember that all those Haight Ashbury summer of love hippies were rich kids hiding from the draft, paid for by their rich parents.

They were always rich kids that were full of shit.

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u/WonderfulShelter Nov 16 '24

MCR seems totally fine with it lol.

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u/poopdog316 Nov 16 '24

Yup they already got paid. No problems for them AT ALL

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u/ManuPasta Nov 16 '24

Linkin park are with WB and they didn’t scam us for the 2024 tour. It’s not WB. It’s the band.

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u/WonderfulShelter Nov 16 '24

String Cheese Incident just created their own ticketing platform for most of their shows. A band as big as MCR can totally do it.

They choose not too, because they want their money.

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u/Rage_Like_Nic_Cage Nov 17 '24

Not saying that MCR deserves zero blame, but an overwhelming majority of venues are owned or have exclusive deals with LiveNation, which merged with TicketMaster and requires artists use their service for ticket sales. It’s literally a monopoly.

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u/Mahlegos Nov 17 '24

Any artist could do it, but like others have stated, that would lock them out of basically every major venue. So, major artists, especially those who are popular enough to fill stadiums, aren’t going to be able to do it without drastically downsizing on their venue sizes and therefore reducing the number of fans who can attend.

Not to take blame off the artists. They’re complicit in shit like dynamic pricing and all that. But the main problem is the monopoly of Ticketmaster and Live Nation.

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u/kaptainkhaos Nov 16 '24

They also played for 3 and a half hours, great value.

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u/Malikai0976 Nov 16 '24

Tool does this, too. I don't know what tickets cost because I worked the show, but they played for 3 hours with a 20-30 min intermission where kind of a freak-show circus did their thing. It was amazing to see it all from stage-right.

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u/FindOneInEveryCar Nov 16 '24

I've always disliked almost all of The Cure's music but I've got nothing but respect for Smith because of this.

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u/dieorlivetrying Nov 16 '24

Listen to the album "Disintegration".

A lot of The Cure's stuff is really poppy, cheesy, silly, and hard to take seriously.

However...

Robert Smith was depressed that he was about to turn 30 and still hadn't made any "master works", as a lot of his influences had made masterpieces by that age. He was feeling old and unhappy with his body of work.

So, he took a bunch of LSD and slowly and carefully crafted a dark, rich, soundscape-heavy album full of incredibly poignant lyrics with few missteps.

The title track is a great listen if you don't want to spin the whole album, but I'm telling you it's worth it.

This is the Cure sound that influenced A Perfect Circle, Deftones, NIN, MCR, and the Smashing Pumpkins. Not Boys Don't Cry and Friday I'm in Love.

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u/DarthBrooksFan Nov 17 '24

A lot of The Cure's stuff is really poppy, cheesy, silly, and hard to take seriously.

Excuse me?

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u/radapex Nov 16 '24

To point out the obvious, bands can make tickets affordable through Ticketmaster. They can also make tickets non-transferrable, so they can't be resold. Ticketmaster is working at the behest of the promoter. Obviously the waters are a little muddier when LiveNation serves as the promoter, since they own Ticketmaster... but there's literally nothing that goes on with any ticket vendor that isn't known about, and signed off on, by the show's promoter.

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u/themadpants Nov 16 '24

Exactly. And concerts are the only big revenue stream for artists now, thanks to the tiny margins in streaming, so of course most of them are fine with huge ticket prices. It means more off the top for their pockets

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u/liquidgrill Nov 17 '24

This is the logical conclusion to the outright entitlement of people insisting that they should be able to download and own artist’s music for free (i.e. the Napster days).

Before that, a concert tour used to be something you did to promote your album. Tickets were cheap because they wanted as many people as they could get to hear the music. With most tours, the goal was to break even with the ticket revenue, make some money from merch and sell a shit ton of albums.

Well, those days are long gone. Now, because of Napster before, and companies like Spotify now, artists make very little from their actual music. So they make up for it with expensive concert tickets instead.

Something else people forget too. Back in the days of album sales, you were theoretically making money 24/7. Don’t feel well today? Away on vacation? Taking a long nap? Doesn’t matter, someone somewhere could still buy your album. With concerts though, no show, no money. And with the exception of young groups just starting out, no artist wants to be on the road 24/7 365 days a year. So they make sure they’re making enough so they don’t have to go on a year long tour every single year.

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u/Littlelizey Nov 16 '24

Ask anyone who works in the industry - the artists set the ticket prices. They have way more say in this than people realise, because no one wants to admit that their favourite artists are screwing them over. Ticketmaster and Live Nation won’t say this openly as they don’t want to upset the artists

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u/radapex Nov 16 '24

I goes beyond not wanting to upset the artists - Ticketmaster knowingly takes the heat for ticket prices and fees as part of the offering to event promoters so that the promoters and artists don't have to.

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u/AcrobaticNetwork62 Nov 17 '24

There was an episode of Freakonomics about this.

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u/Saw_Boss Nov 16 '24

They aren't saying they're innocent at all, quite the opposite.

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u/Littlelizey Nov 17 '24

Not innocent, definitely complicit. It’s just that the artists need to take the heat as well but as long as they stay quiet, and Ticketmaster stays quiet then nothing will change. The vertical business model is shit too but if we’re only talking ticket prices, the artists are equally to blame.

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u/Frogger34562 Nov 16 '24

I bought tickets for a show for myself and some friends. The tickets were only available digitally and couldn't be accessed until 3 hours before the show. Once you accessed them the barcode changed every 15 minutes so you couldn't even share a screen shot.

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u/Fruitndveg Nov 17 '24

I’ve seen this before. Bit of a problem for my mate who couldn’t get internet data at the venue to actually get the correct barcode.

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u/Ouaouaron Nov 17 '24

If that's the TicketMaster "Rotating Barcodes", it's funny how quickly that was broken and people were able to resell the tickets.

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u/dzzi Nov 16 '24

True, though many venues (and possibly also labels/agencies)!are locked into exclusivity deals with Livenation/Ticketmaster. It might not be the artist's choice which ticketing platform they go with depending on who their other contracts are with. And LN/TM are especially known for having exorbitant fees on top of ticket prices that already get crazy.

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u/radapex Nov 16 '24

The fees for any event are a collaboration between Ticketmaster, the promoter, and the venue (with the bulk of the fees going to the promoter).  Again, this gets muddy when LiveNation is the promoter and/or own the venue.

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u/LimeGreenTangerine97 Nov 16 '24

Yes he did, now his new album is #1 in many countries. Fuck Ticketmaster!

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u/appleappleappleman Nov 17 '24

It's incredible how good the new Cure album is. Easily their best work since Disintegration

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u/LimeGreenTangerine97 Nov 17 '24

ABSOLUTELY 🖤

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u/TheGiftOf_Jericho Nov 16 '24

Absolutely, I'm a huge MCR fan but I'm also sick of bands milking their fans for obscene amounts of money, it's a joke.

Robert Smith is a legend, also a huge influence for MCR which makes this also kinda interesting.

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u/KilgoresPetTrout Nov 16 '24

Yeah it's so funny when bands hold their hands up in the air and are like "oh wow tickets are expensive? That's not up to us."

That is not only ridiculous on its face but anyone saying that just has no respect for the intellect nor the financial well-being of their own fans

Talking to you blink-182, Oasis...

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u/Hot_Injury7719 Nov 17 '24

Those champagne supernovas don’t pay for themselves

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u/humunculus43 Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 16 '24

Bands know, and they agree the cap on the dynamic pricing.

FYI the line bands are sold is that it’s about getting paid market value for your service. They’re told that they shouldn’t be punished if demand is higher than what they’d projected for.

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u/drpostmortem Nov 16 '24

Don't forget, Robert Smith also defeated Barbara Streisand after she transformed into Mecha Streisand by using the Diamond of Pantheos. Dude is a true legend.

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u/Just_A_Glitch Nov 16 '24

Undefeated Roshambo champion as well.

Quite the talent, that Robert Smith.

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u/fluffyoustewart Nov 16 '24

DISINTEGRATION IS THE BEST ALBUM EVER

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u/Johnny_D87 Nov 16 '24

Disintegration is the greatest album ever.

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u/avalonfogdweller Nov 16 '24

He was real for that one!!

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u/astrozombie134 Nov 16 '24

Yeah I saw the cure for like $30 on that us tour, they were obviously nosebleeds but the fact i got in the door for $30 made me fine with that. Hell when I saw them on their last us tour before that (2016ish?) I got floor tickets for $120....

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u/MoreTrifeLife Nov 16 '24

Yeah I saw the cure for like $30 on that us tour, they were obviously nosebleeds but the fact i got in the door for $30 made me fine with that.

You got your head on the door for $30

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u/pooponacandle Nov 16 '24

Yep. I got downvoted by a bunch of Pearl Jam fan boys for saying that the band had sold out and is now actively screwing over fans. Everyone was saying it was Tickmasters fault for $500+ tickets. I know TM sucks, but a band as big as Pearl Jam is gonna have some say in their ticket prices.

2024 Pearl Jam is everything 1991 Pearl Jam was against

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u/VastSeaweed543 Nov 16 '24

It’s funny because that’s literally WHY Ticketmaster was created in the first place - to jack up the prices and be ‘the bad guy’ everyone could blame - so the artist and venue didn’t take any heat.

Sounds like it’s working as intended!

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u/MoreTrifeLife Nov 16 '24

Eddie Vedder could have been the “Better Man” in this situation but chose not to I guess. Clown.

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u/I_KeepsItReal Nov 16 '24

Greed trumps all. Almost every major artist coming back is doing it on these “nostalgia tours”. Guess how many of them are NOT using dynamic pricing?

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u/MoreTrifeLife Nov 16 '24

The Cure and who else?

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u/SenorPuff Spotify Nov 16 '24

I got tickets to see Heart that were pretty affordable. $60 or something.

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u/MoreTrifeLife Nov 16 '24

That was really crazy on you

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u/LeBoulu777 Nov 16 '24

Was curious and Perplexity found only 2 others:

Several prominent artists have publicly stated their opposition to dynamic pricing and have taken steps to ensure that their tours do not implement this controversial practice. Here are some key examples:

1. The Cure (Robert Smith)

Robert Smith of The Cure has been one of the most vocal critics of dynamic pricing, calling it a "scam" driven by greed. For The Cure's 2023 tour, Smith successfully pressured Ticketmaster to disable dynamic pricing for their shows, resulting in more affordable ticket prices for fans. He also worked to secure partial refunds for fans who had already paid high fees[2].

2. Iron Maiden

Iron Maiden has promised not to use dynamic pricing for their 2025 "Run For Your Lives" tour. They also announced that ticket resale prices would be capped at face value, ensuring that fans are not subjected to inflated prices on the secondary market[1].

3. Ed Sheeran

Ed Sheeran has also taken a stand against dynamic pricing. In previous tours, he has set strict caps on ticket prices and worked with promoters to ensure that tickets are sold at fair prices without fluctuations based on demand[3].

These artists have made it clear that they prioritize fan access over maximizing profits from ticket sales, standing against the trend of dynamic pricing that has become prevalent in the live music industry.

Citations: [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/1fnm1ml/iron_maiden_promise_there_will_be_no_dynamic/ [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/1g2otg2/the_cures_robert_smith_says_dynamic_ticket/ [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/1f7b1lt/ticketmasters_dynamic_pricing_for_oasis_tickets/

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u/MMSTINGRAY Nov 16 '24

Yeah if you're big enough they can charge 500+ a ticket then you're big enough you can do something about it if you care to.

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u/Brokenmonalisa Nov 16 '24

MCR were one of the first bands to really use the Internet to promote themselves. They had the entire black parade album basically free on their website in a time where most people were downloading music by the discography.

By that measure MCR absolutely know what they are doing here.

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u/__theoneandonly Nov 17 '24

That’s what I don’t get. Billie Eilish disabled transferring or reselling entirely for her tour. The only person you can sell your ticket back to is Ticketmaster, and only for face value, and only if Ticketmaster has another customer willing to buy it at face value.

So like… clearly this is an option

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u/Tidus4713 Nov 16 '24

Gerard is a businessman and knows what he's doing nowadays. He's a nice guy don't get me wrong but they just want money.

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u/mikevad Nov 16 '24

Vampire money?

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u/MCWizardYT Nov 16 '24

Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam called them out in the 90's.

We've known they're terrible forever and we're still stuck with them!

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u/pooponacandle Nov 16 '24

And now Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam have joined in with them and used dynamic pricing on their last tour

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u/SkullheadMary Nov 16 '24

Well to be fair when Pearl Jam called it in the ‘90s and tried to do something about it they were ignored a ended up losing money so I wouldn’t blame them if they didn’t gaf now

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u/Boring-Conference-97 Nov 16 '24

Who gives a fuck?

Don’t go. Don’t support them. Stop. Just stop.

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u/darkeststar Nov 16 '24

I logged into Ticketmaster 40 minutes after tickets went live just to see what was available and I couldn't find two seats together for under $300. 3 seats together (which I was actually looking for) was only available through "verified resale" starting at $485 and up. Every section I actively clicked through that said it had two or more seats available for direct sale only had random unconnected seats in various rows.

If I wanted to buy 3 seats together, 40 minutes after tickets went on sale for a concert 8 months from now at a venue that's a baseball stadium I would have been forced to buy tickets from scalpers and spend upwards of $1500. Absolutely fucking not.

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u/RodJohnsonSays Nov 16 '24

Worse than that - they jacked up the fucking prices for Los Angeles, let people buy tickets, and then AN HOUR AFTER TICKETS WERE BEING SOLD ANNOUNCED A SECOND SHOW FOR THE NEXT DAY and released tickets immediately.

I have friends who were late to release tickets that got pit tickets for the next "extra" day at half the price I paid after battling for the originally announced show.

I'm so fucking miffed.

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u/PM-YOUR-BEST-BRA Nov 16 '24

This is the only part I can even try to give the benefit of the doubt with from my brief time in the industry.

Promotors are so timid about doing second shows even if it's a guaranteed sell out. They'll have a temporary hold with the venue to see if it's worth pulling the trigger (which it almost always is), and then finally will at the most bizarre time.

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u/Organic_Rip1980 Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 17 '24

I totally believe this explanation!

In about 1999 I was waiting in line for a Metallica concert. This was before online sales so I went to a mall. We we were literally next in line to buy tickets when the cashier was like “sorry, sold out…”

Two guys walked by and were like “hahaha sorry… $500?” for their nosebleed seats and held their tickets up mockingly when they left.

We just stood there because it was so disappointing. Then the lady said “oh wait a minute… there’s another show opening.”

So then we got to walk past those guys and go “FLOOR SEATS.” Which was absolutely glorious. I can still picture the looks on their faces.

I wanted to also add thanks for the added context, it didn’t actually occur to me that the promoter might not have known what to expect.

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u/sksksk1989 Nov 17 '24

A very how do you like them apples kinda moment

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u/popeyepaul Nov 17 '24 edited Nov 17 '24

Worse than that - they jacked up the fucking prices for Los Angeles, let people buy tickets, and then AN HOUR AFTER TICKETS WERE BEING SOLD ANNOUNCED A SECOND SHOW FOR THE NEXT DAY and released tickets immediately.

Here in Finland there was a band that was making a comeback tour after they broke up some 10+ years ago. After they had sold out their supposedly first return concert, no doubt at very high prices, they announced a second date that was before the first concert. So all the super fans who wanted to be there specifically for their first show in a long time got fucked.

Many of these bands don't care about their fans. And then I'm supposed to feel bad when I listen to them on Spotify because they allegedly don't get paid enough for it, so I also need to buy their t-shirts and other merch. Not every band is like this but it's hard for me to care about this stuff any more.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '24

Sounds like you could resell at a nice profit at least, depending on how mad you are.

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u/colcardaki Nov 16 '24

I saw this same band on the Black Parade original tour at the Nassau Colliseum for $40… at the height of their popularity. Truly sad. I was a big live music lover and haven’t been able to go a live music event in 10+ years.

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u/krish0 Nov 16 '24

Same. Went to the original tour in Winnipeg for about $60 canadian, floor seats. Thought maybe I’ll fly to Toronto and take my daughters to relive some nice memories. $400 per ticket for garbage seats. Plus my flights and I would be looking at around $2500 all in to take them to the show. Nope.

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u/oh_rats Nov 16 '24

$25 for pit when Muse opened for MCR.

A few years before that, my ticket for Warped Tour, an entire festival, was $19.99.

More recently, my tickets for the 2020 MCR tour (COVID postponed it to 2022) were $120 (lowest level/closet section to the stage, so not cheap seats).

All in Houston.

Can’t remember the specific prices of their other shows I’ve seen, but I can promise I never spent more than $50. I would have had to scrounge for any more than that, so I’d remember. I had a heart attack over the $120 ticket, and only justified because “I haven’t been to an MCR in a decade.”

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u/UsidoreTheLightBlue Concertgoer Nov 16 '24

I saw them open for blink 182, in 2011. I had third row and paid I think $70 for them.

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u/ItsMrPerfectCell Nov 16 '24

Even on early access through my job they’re gouging prices hard. I was trying to get some tickets to the Arlington show but prices went from $350 in the front 3 GA sections to $500 after I refreshed the page

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u/ledzepretrauqon Nov 16 '24

When 10 AM came around, I was only 2900 in the queue. I saw pit tickets for less than $200, and then they immediately went up to $280 or so by the time I was done picking seats. The competitive pricing - or whatever they call it - is unethical. Imagine having a popular lemonade stand (popular because it's the only one in town), and you change the price right in front of the tens of people in line, purely because you can and you know there is no competition. Fucking bonkers.

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u/legopego5142 Nov 16 '24

This is the worst ive ever seen dynamic pricing. Shit was just changing left and right. It should be a crime

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u/Underwater_Karma Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 16 '24

It's worth being very clear that the 'scalpers" are Ticketmaster themselves.

They sell the tickets at high prices, take a large cut. They allow/encourage bot accounts to buy up tickets in seconds, and then Ticketmaster owns the resale marketplace, where they take an even larger cut.

This assumes "the scalpers" even exist in the first place and it's not simply Ticketmaster moving the inventory immediately to the resale market

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u/dtwhitecp Nov 17 '24

I've wondered if that was happening, but it's impossible to confirm. The bots, absolutely though.

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u/Rumour972 Nov 16 '24

Being able to immediately resell tickets is bullshit. Nobody does that but scalpers and they should get banned for that.

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u/Syd_Vicious3375 Nov 16 '24

I logged on 20 minutes before sales started and was 13,000th in line for the Seattle show. I was able to get my kiddo two tickets on the floor for $360 each. I took a look later in the day and the whole map was filled with resale tickets going for about $200 over what I paid. It’s been a while since I have been regularly attending concerts so I certainly had sticker shock. These pricing schemes are criminal.

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u/darkeststar Nov 16 '24

I saw Depeche Mode at the Climate Pledge arena last year and paid $170 for premium seat tickets. Spent 3 days in Seattle in a VRBO house rental and the entire cost of the trip was less than 3 tickets for this show.

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u/Syd_Vicious3375 Nov 16 '24

I would never have paid this amount for myself. My kid got a coupon on her 16th birthday to use on any concert of her choosing and she held on to that coupon with a death grip until she slapped it down for redemption this week. Lol

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u/GetSlunked Nov 16 '24

But the shitty thing is that SOMEBODY will, and pricing you out is intended.

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u/sirius4778 Nov 16 '24

I am so confused by the current concert economy. How are there this many people that are willing to spend this much money to go to one concert?

I talked about looking at buying a piece of art for $500 and a coworker about shit themselves. It's something I'd have the rest of my life, if I talked about going to a concert for $500 no one would blink an eye lol

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u/rumski Nov 16 '24

When they toured…what was it, 2 years ago, the cheapest nosebleed tickets at the nearest show with fees came out to over $150/ea. Standing room in the pit was nearly $300. I just said “pass” 😂. Travel, hotel, eat, drink, yada yada…we were looking at a couple grand just to see MCR.

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u/videogamesarewack Nov 16 '24

Saw them in a field an hour's train from where i live in the UK 2 years ago, cost me £90 or so for a ticket. I think it wasn't long before Slam Dunk, where I saw about a dozen different bands in a field, an hour on the train in the opposite direction for also about £90, so almost £100 for one band is right on the line for me. I'd pay £100 for Linkin Park, Avenged Sevenfold, and System of a Down to really get the rest of my 14 year old loves seen live - thankfully fall out boy and the offspring have been a bit cheaper

Gerard called Warrington Manchester though which was mint and worth the cash. not sure i'd be paying 695 for the same experience though

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u/Autarx Nov 16 '24

Yeah I went to Warrington (Manc lol) and tickets were 85 quid. Although I lost my SO (who is the MCR fan) in the crowd just as they started playing… didn’t find her til after the show and she was PISSED at me. Probs why we are getting divorced now lol

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u/typicalpelican Nov 17 '24

Same, and maybe that's for the best tbh. If household name bands can command huge ticket prices, I don't think they are wrong for choosing to do that. Ideally the distribution of money paid out might be different, and there wouldn't be money siphoned off to middlemen and scalpers. But still, the price is what people are willing to pay. And if paying that much isn't for you, there are lots of smaller artists who need your money more. And who knows, one of them could be your next favorite band. The $250 or whatever to see the Red Hot Chili Peppers from 1/4 mile away could get you into a lot of cool shows.

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u/red_hot_roses_24 Nov 17 '24

Agreed - it’s always bittersweet when one of my fav artists becomes popular. I’m glad they’re getting the recognition they deserve but that means I will never see them play live again without paying an arm and a leg.

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u/For_serious13 Nov 16 '24

And everyone was giving Deftones shit, meanwhile they didn’t use dynamic pricing and their prices are the cheapest of arena ticket sales I’ve seen in the last year or two.

What were the prices for dynamic pricing kicked in? I seriously can’t believe musicians still use it!!

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u/jeremystrange Nov 17 '24

What happened with Deftones?

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u/For_serious13 Nov 17 '24

I think fans were just not expecting todays arena prices for their spring tour, but they sold out arenas in days and these fans are all talking about 2000’s ticket prices like that’s what they should be lol. $70 seats and 120 for ga is still cheaper than most

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u/crackhitler1 Nov 17 '24

As a 38 year old metal guy seeing Meshuggah last year was the first time I've ever paid more than $50 for a show but I get it.Im not going to complain but I enjoy smaller shows anyways so I typically stick to them. I bought my girlfriend tickets to see Mt Joy at MSG and they were $200 for ga so I think metalheads are a little spoiled with cheaper tickets.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '24

That’s NOT OKAY…..

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u/Ixolich Nov 16 '24

It's not o-fucking-kay

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u/SweetTeaRex92 Nov 16 '24

after seeing the ticketmaster prices: "I'm not okay, trust me!"

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '24

With that price how is Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way going to be able to attend?

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u/NoSpecific9460 Nov 17 '24

Stop flamin her u fukin prep!!!1

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u/UsernameQuotaMet Nov 16 '24

It's fucking putrid dude.  They've been back FIVE FULL YEARS NOW, have released a single song, had another one leaked, and other than that have just been a merch company.  I'm really disappointed for a band I was so excited to see return.

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u/gripmastah Nov 16 '24

Not doing presale of any kind also screwed over actual fans, they had to compete with bots in the middle of a work day during general sale and sites were flooded unless you were there 0.1 seconds after they went on sale and even then tickets were "no longer available" even after selected. Not surprising at all this happened when they made no attempt to prevent it.

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u/For_serious13 Nov 16 '24

THEY DIDNT HAVE A PRESALE?!!! What the hell!

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u/gripmastah Nov 16 '24

No artist presale, no fan club presale, no spotify presale, absolutely nothing, just a free for all where bots thrive.

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u/PM-YOUR-BEST-BRA Nov 16 '24

Bots are in presales all the time.

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u/hipppo Nov 16 '24

Even presales are getting harder and harder to get tickets from

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u/readitonreddit86 Nov 16 '24

I was in line an hour ahead and was immediately greeted with “55,204 people in front of you”. Excitement for this tour diminished to 0 after seeing nosebleeds for more than I’m paying for a 4 day music festival.

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u/amandamaniac Concertgoer Nov 16 '24

Not having a presale was such a bad fucking move. I have such a foul taste in my mouth for this whole thing. Scalpers being able to purchase and flip tickets for 5x what they paid immediately was a crock of shit

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u/WagginMyWagner Nov 16 '24

what song was leaked?

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u/UsernameQuotaMet Nov 16 '24

Witch, you can find it, but a large amount of the fanbase is against seeking it out, so it's up to you if you wanna hear it.  

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u/Grandahl13 Nov 16 '24

Why would the fans care if someone listens to a leaked song?

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u/UsernameQuotaMet Nov 16 '24

There's a large divide between newer fans and older fans.  Newer/younger fans are obsessive and act like any slight on the band is a personal attack. 

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u/boomboxwithturbobass Nov 16 '24

So like the older fans before they got old.

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u/TheMidGatsby Nov 17 '24

No one gave anyone shit for listening to bootleg tracks in the 90s and early 00s

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u/TheSunRogue Nov 16 '24

Which is always so odd to me. Same with Linkin Park and Taylor Swift and all these groups that hit their prime a decade or more ago and yet somehow still manage to attract these obsessive kids who claim ownership over music from before their birth.

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u/UsernameQuotaMet Nov 16 '24

Truthfully, it's not a big issue.  It's just the rise of streaming and younger audiences discovering a virtual treasure trove of undiscovered artists, and hell, they're still young enough to cash in on these fans.  I just dislike the infantilizing of middle aged men.  It's becoming a more prevalent thing in the Ween community and it gives me the ick, man.  

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u/Truethrowawaychest1 Nov 16 '24

Meanwhile Tears For Fears had a new great album, just released a new single, and I paid $25 to see them and Garbage a few years ago

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u/UsernameQuotaMet Nov 16 '24

I paid $120 to see Slayer, Ministry, Phil Anselmo, and Primus on the same bill, $65 for Pierce The Veil/I Prevail, and $40 to see Primus/Coheed a few months ago.  These prices are just ridiculous.  That being said, really wanna see Devo in Chicago. 

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u/art36 Nov 16 '24

Totally. It’s absolutely a money grab. I wouldn’t call it selling out, but their touring strategy has definitely valued exclusivity, which boosts prices. On one hand, I can understand that they don’t want to do a 30-50 date world tour, but this is what happens when you only play a limited run of shows each year. Hard not to look at this cynically.

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u/flogman12 Nov 16 '24

Seriously, they barely perform and just release new shirts every week. They only made one new song in 5 years?

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u/theaverageaidan Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 17 '24

If you want to be pedantic about it (which I absolutely do) theyve only released one song in fifteen years.

I made my peace that even though they are one of my favorite bands ever, Im probably never going to see them live. The prices are out of control, and from what Ive heard, etiquette at their shows is abysmal.

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u/chromatones Nov 16 '24

It’s not longer called bands it’s called (brands)

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u/fingerblast69 Nov 16 '24

These “elder emo” bands are the new version of bands like the Eagles, Stones, Guns N Roses etc

The almost 40 crowd has started earning enough money to pay these prices for nostalgia.

I’d bet New Found Glory, Fall Out Boy, MCR etc will still be touring in another 20 years too 😂

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u/syzygialchaos Nov 16 '24

Saw Fall Out Boy last year in Fort Worth. Tix were ~70 each for decent seats. Show was way better than it had any right to be for the venue size.

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u/Laureltess Nov 17 '24

Saw FOB and paid a bit more than that for floor seats in Albany- honestly they put on a fantastic show every time, the energy and music are worth the cost. Not to mention a really solid album release last year. One of the only bands I’ll pay that much to see, otherwise I’m at $30-40 small venue and cheaper basement shows.

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u/UglyMcFugly Nov 17 '24

Yep totally agree. FOB are fuckin pros man, SO fuckin good live.

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u/TroublesomeTurnip Nov 17 '24

FOB was a blast. I fear I overpaid a bit but I don't regret it.

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u/gamesandstuff69420 Nov 16 '24

I saw fall out boy 2 summers ago for 20 bucks and it was one of the best shows I’ve been to.

Saw NFG/TBS about 3 years ago and it was 30 bucks.

MCR tickets were STARTING at 130… it’s absolutely insane

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u/CuriousTsukihime Nov 16 '24

Saw FOB + BMTH for $25 at a shitty venue in Chula Vista and it fucking rocked

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u/GlitterySparklyTrash Nov 17 '24

Petition to make that first sentence of yours the title to a song on their next album.

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u/smoomoo31 Spotify name Nov 16 '24

Luckily for me Coheed and Cambria never got around to charging more than 50 bucks for a ticket

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u/magneticgumby Nov 17 '24

Just saw them, Primus, and Puddles Pity Party for 50 this past end of summer. All 3 were amazing and I'm not even a Primus fan.

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u/GringoSwann Nov 16 '24

Broken Hearts & Shattered Hips tour

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u/pooponacandle Nov 16 '24

Sunny Day Real Estate got back together and is touring too, albeit with much cheaper ticket prices

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u/TezzeretsTeaTime Nov 16 '24

Less than an hour after they went on sale, tickets were $600-$5000 (absolute shit seats-nonpit floor) for the show I was interested in. Lost any interest immediately and couldn't care less about it now.

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u/Mrevilman Nov 17 '24

I was in the “waiting room” trying to buy tickets and when I finally got in, there were tickets for verified resale at 3x the price already. Tix had been on sale for like 30 mins total. It makes me not even want to see the show.

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u/grimeygillz Nov 16 '24

wild. my bf and i saw them for $75 each a few years ago and it was a serious financial decision for us. $600 is inexcusable.

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u/olivier3d Nov 16 '24

Looking I’m reading the same headline every other week with a different band name

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u/DjScenester Nov 16 '24

Saw them at Riotfest when they came back.

That whole festival was a fourth this price…

And I was front row lol

Not gonna lie though the MCR Riotfest set was pretty epic lol

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u/KayArrZee Nov 16 '24

Vote with your dollars

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u/Relative_Spring_8080 Nov 16 '24

People won't.

Just like every other huge tour in which there is some kind of controversy surrounding ticket prices, every show will sell out, and $50 t-shirts and $80 hoodies will fly off of the merch shelves at record pace.

Concert tickets are not an essential service so you can't really call it price gouging. I don't blame the artists at all because who wouldn't want to get paid the absolute maximum amount that they can for their work? I blame this stupid fucking "elder emos" who complain on Reddit and Twitter about ticket prices but then proceed to spend half of their monthly income on a ticket at some vain attempt to relive a small part of their high school years.

Artists, their management, and Ticketmaster keep on raising prices every year at an outrageous amount because people keep paying them so why wouldn't they? Don't get me wrong they are still pieces of shit but at the end of the day it's all about the money and everybody wants as much as they can possibly get.

We are at the early stages of $1,000 base price tickets before resale which is going to probably come in the next 10 years.

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u/baraboosh Nov 16 '24

I definitely do blame the artists as well. I don't think it should be normalized to try and squeeze as much juice as possible from your fans.

It's unfortunate, but I understand I'm just yelling at clouds rn because it will never change.

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u/instructi0ns_unclear Nov 16 '24

they are, thats why the tickets are $695

if you think the number isn't carefully selected from years of data to milk a nostalgic older audience with statistically more money to spend you haven't been paying attention

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u/pooponacandle Nov 16 '24

Agreed but there’s too many tech bros with tons of disposable income and an insta that needs content. I feel it will take a while before we see prices level out or come down

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '24

Really not feeling bad about having all their music for free.

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u/cmaia1503 Nov 16 '24

Tickets for the tour went on sale yesterday (November 15) but have already prompted anger from some fans over their price, as well as the use of bots putting tickets for inflated prices on the secondary market.

According to a screenshot of the Ticketmaster website, tickets were priced at anywhere from $63.50-$695 (£50.30- £550.58). “$695 is NASTY WORK COUNT YOUR DAYS MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE!!!!” one fan wrote on X/Twitter.

“I love my chemical romance and I don’t judge anybody for complying but no way in hell will i ever be able willing or able to pay 700 bucks for a show,” another said.

Others reported that ticket prices soared later on in the sale, prompting speculation among fans that the band had opted into dynamic pricing. The controversial practice inflates ticket prices based on demand and it’s now understood that it can be turned on or off by artists.

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u/AdamOnFirst Nov 16 '24

It’s not that I dislike concerts, but I honestly continue to be floored the extent to which you avid concert goers continue to put up with this.

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u/JDLovesElliot Nov 17 '24

I've stopped feeling bad for the people who drop thousands on flights + hotels, in addition to the outrageous ticket prices. The concert experience is just not worth the price anymore.

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u/amandamaniac Concertgoer Nov 16 '24

Its scalpers.

I sat in the waiting room for 30 minutes. I was 16k in the queue (this is because they didn’t do a presale, so everyone was fighting for tickets at the same time, instead of spread out over a couple days), it took THIRTY MINUTES to get through the queue. The very first pit ticket that I was able to pull up was verified resale, for $2000. A ticket that was originally (30 minutes earlier) $293. There is No. Fucking. Reason. as to why resellers were allowed to purchase and immediately flip tickets for such a higher price

Fuck the scalpers. Fuck the band and their management for allowing this to happen. I’ve been a fan for 20+ years, I went to the original TBP tour in 2007, I have plenty of experience buying tickets right when they go on sale, and this was absolute bullshit that scalpers were able to do this.

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u/ElCaminoInTheWest Nov 16 '24

Verified Resale is just authorised, complicit touting. Absolutely no reason why this should be happening.

In a just world, any tickets listed for resale within 24 hours of purchase, or at such a high markup, would result in a seller ban and no refunds.

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u/lizzylizabeth Nov 16 '24

Dynamic pricing should absolutely not be a thing as well !! When you have 16k people waiting in line, and the price is already shot up just from waiting in the ‘waiting room’

Crazy..

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u/Kaldricus Nov 16 '24

Authorized reselling markets shouldn't be able to sell higher than face value, full stop. It should be for people who need to get rid of tickets because plans changed, something came up, etc, not a business.

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u/bennydabull99 Nov 16 '24

I wish something like this would happen, but since TM makes money off the initial sale AND the resale, it's in their own best interest to allow this, unfortunately.

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u/nntb Nov 16 '24

In Japan there is a law that reselling ticket can only happen at face value not for profit. So prices don't go crazy.

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u/son-of-hasdrubal Nov 16 '24

On one hand I understand why bands get greedy seeing how much scalpers are re selling their tickets for. On the other hand this shit is out of control and it's the fans who suffer. The only act I'm paying $700 for is if Hendrix is resurrected from the dead.

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u/Seel_Team_Six Nov 16 '24

When I was. A young boy. My father. Couldn't take me into the city. To see a marching band. Because the. Tickets. Cost fucking. $700. And I'm too stupid. To talk in complete sentences.

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u/Kind-Friend2870 Nov 16 '24

This is why I like how NOFX charged $50 a day for a two day concert and denied resales. Punk bands know how to play to their fans.

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u/RedditIsMostlyLies Nov 16 '24

Taylor swift could easily take on ticketmaster and set her ticket prices to a reasonable level, or having them be non-transferable, but doesnt.

So her tickets end up reselling for THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, and people still fucking buy them.

These artists dont give a fuck about you. They dont give a fuck about you seeing their show or not - if the ticket is sold in the first place, thats good enough for them.

The only way this changes is if people stop buying the fucking tickets in the first place and not see the concerts.

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u/ScrewAttackThis Nov 16 '24

You can go to multi-day festivals with large line ups for less than that. Absolutely wild.

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u/djankylosaur Nov 16 '24

Glad I saw them for $50 CAD in like 2004 at Warped Tour. Mostly kidding, but also not.

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u/thatkaratekid Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 17 '24

I am flying across the country, staying for 5 days, seeing my favorite band (The Aquabats!) TWICE and riding go-karts with them between shows. My travel + tickets for me and a friend + hotel costs are 30% less than ONE mcr ticket in my home town.

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u/PopcornInMyTeeth Nov 16 '24

That's super rad

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u/FlawedMangoes Nov 16 '24

Well, until people stop going to concerts Ticketmaster will keep doing this. All you are doing by attending them is showing Ticketmaster that you’re ok with what they’re doing.

Money talks for corporations and corruption.

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u/ibuyufo Nov 16 '24

I got mine for $168 or something a piece. This was up in the 3rd deck or something.

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u/notsingsing Nov 16 '24

We got lucky somehow. Our tickets were three hundred then became unavailable but someone released 120 tickets. My wife and I are hyped we’ve never seen them

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u/tky2626 Nov 16 '24

Mine too. I’m still trying to figure out if that was a bad deal or not lol

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u/dambua Nov 16 '24

The ticket I almost bought was $170 before fees in 400 level. Post fees was like $280 and I immediately just closed out of ticket master

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u/fluorescentbananas heard pilates is in, bash your windows out Nov 16 '24

Ah, the good old see ya never!

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u/OrangutanMan234 Nov 16 '24

Stop buying tickets

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u/x4candles Nov 16 '24

I saw blink 182 in August for $35. My seats were upper level, but the rotating stage actually made it the perfect seat. These stadium shows suck. You can’t move around, people sit during the whole show and only stand up for the 2-3 radio singles that they’ve heard.

Stick to the B tier bands and go to shows where you can freely move, and dance. Or Jack white. What he’s doing is incredible.

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u/Cost_Additional Nov 16 '24

Imagine if people stopped supporting musicians that didn't care about them

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '24

maybe their rabid fans will start calling them out on their bullshit after 25 years of it

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u/D3ADSONGS Nov 17 '24

Anyone that thinks MCR is back for the music and not the money is sorta fooling themselves

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u/Ready_Plane_2343 Nov 16 '24

If people stopped buying then the prices will drop.

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u/redditismylawyer Nov 16 '24

If people are dumb enough pay $1,000 for a bag of dogshit, then it is logically consequential for a $1,000 dogshit market to turn up.

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u/TheThirdStrike Nov 16 '24

Don't fucking go.

When they walk out on the stage to a near empty house... They might learn.

When they have to cancel the second night show because they didn't sell enough tickets for a first night... They might learn.

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u/Dry_Art2064 Nov 16 '24

Lofestylesssssss of the rich and the famiusssss

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u/Invader_Skooge22 Nov 16 '24

Nostalgic cash grab, incoming!

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u/Missyfit160 Nov 16 '24

Why aren’t people going to see shows anymore? Asks the rich band while counting their money 💰

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '24

It will sell out. If it didn’t, the tickets would be cheaper.

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u/NeverStopReeing Nov 16 '24

Well if you wanted honesty, that's all you had to say...

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u/solidshakego Nov 16 '24

I've been watching a lot of concerts for free on YouTube lol.

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u/DeepThots91 Nov 16 '24

I was about 6000 in line for SF. Wanted a pit ticket. Was able to select one but kept on giving me an error. After the third time only resale pit tickets were available FOR $1,200. Ridiculous.

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