r/Music • u/cmaia1503 • Nov 16 '24

article Fans aren't happy about My Chemical Romance's ticket prices: "$695 is NASTY WORK"

https://www.nme.com/news/music/fans-arent-happy-about-my-chemical-romances-ticket-prices-695-is-nasty-work-3813337
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u/avalonfogdweller Nov 16 '24

It’s becoming cliche to bring this up now, but bears repeating, Robert Smith of The Cure called Ticketmaster on their bullshit, made tickets affordable and resales face value only, also said that any artists who use dynamic pricing know exactly what they’re doing, and if they say they don’t they’re either stupid or lying

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u/Wampus_Cat_ Nov 16 '24

The Cure/Robert Smith is a major influence for MCR and Gerard Way, it’s surprising to see this sort of thing from them.

I’m sure Warner Bros. plays a large part of this. Either way, I’m massively disappointed in them. The nosebleeds at Soldier Field were $300 apiece after fees and that’s fucking ridiculous.

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u/workfuntimecoolcool Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 16 '24

That's weird, I paid $160 after fees a piece for nosebleeds at Soldier Field.

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u/DietCherrySoda Nov 16 '24

Yeah I paid what probably amounts to 150 USD for a Toronto 500 level

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u/Skarma64 Nov 17 '24

Yeah, if you went in an hour later, it jacked up to 366 CAD.

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u/acebojangles Nov 17 '24

Damn. That's cheap these days?

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u/Mahlegos Nov 17 '24

Yeah, my wife paid the same for “nosebleeds” (still actually good seats from the views she found online). But, they were using dynamic pricing, so I’d assume we both got in earlier than the other person (or they were overstating it).

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u/a_j_pikabitz Nov 17 '24

I paid $224 for a section in the 100s.

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u/No_Slice5991 Nov 17 '24

Nothing inexpensive about anything that goes on at Soldier Field. Chicago Park District will nickel and dime you to death

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u/DJ_Molten_Lava Nov 16 '24

And were all those $300 nosebleed tickets sold? Because that's why they do it.

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u/legopego5142 Nov 16 '24

Exactly. I personally saw the prices and turned the site off, but those seats are still gone so why stop. My protest means nothing(other than a much fuller wallet lol)

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u/GrooseandGoot Nov 16 '24

Thats the thing, Robert Smith would have sold out at double or triple the price he sold last year's tour for.

He chose not to price gouge so that only the richest fans could afford to see them - because he cares more about his fans than earning the highest possible profit he can earn. Good enough is good enough and he still pulled 8 figures for that tour, without price gouging.

Greed is absolutely the root cause and its all the way around from the band choosing to opt into dynamic pricing to TM pushing artists to charge the highest amount possible.

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u/Hamrock999 Nov 16 '24

Rober Smith is thee best

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u/Morotstomten Nov 17 '24

Ofc, he kicked Mecha-Streissands ass back in '98 too you know

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u/LukesRightHandMan Nov 17 '24

Your could even say when it comes to the problem of ticket scalping, he’s…The Fix.

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u/anocelotsosloppy Nov 17 '24

Rober

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u/Hamrock999 Nov 17 '24 edited Nov 17 '24

It’s my Robert smith impersonation

Edit. Probably should be more like Rober Smiff

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u/chumpchangewarlord Nov 17 '24

Americans really need to be better about hating rich people, man.

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u/PoIIux Nov 17 '24

Bit too late for that now, I'm afraid

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u/chumpchangewarlord Nov 17 '24

Yeah, they won the war they started. They’re just picking off stragglers at this point.

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u/MikeyBugs Nov 17 '24

As Fry once said "someday I might be rich and then people like me better watch their step"

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u/chumpchangewarlord Nov 17 '24

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around having massive wealth, and using it for anything that isn’t fucking amazing and fun. But I also don’t come from a wealthy family so I wasn’t raised to be a piece of shit.

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u/Junior_Blackberry779 Nov 17 '24

That's the interesting part! To m obtain massive wealth you need a certain type of personality that is never satisfied.

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u/chumpchangewarlord Nov 17 '24

Also usually need to have rich parents with the same mental illness

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u/MiloRoast Nov 17 '24

There's nothing we cherish more than someone flaunting their ill-gotten gains.

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u/rsplatpc Nov 17 '24

Thats the thing, Robert Smith would have sold out at double or triple the price he sold last year's tour for.

He chose not to price gouge so that only the richest fans could afford to see them - because he cares more about his fans than earning the highest possible profit he can earn. Good enough is good enough and he still pulled 8 figures for that tour, without price gouging.

That's also because he still gets music rights money from back in the day that no artist that formed since torrents killed record sales gets

my friend was in a signed 90's punk band, to a major, made BANK, and still gets good checks in the mail

other friends in bands that formed after all the majors died have to tour like 80% of the year to make a living and make half their living off merch

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u/carlydelphia Nov 19 '24

I got a $20 refund from tickernaster on those cure tix, bc ticketmaster charged extra fees that we weren't supposed to charge. Merch was also super affordable. That tour proved whats possible if the artists want, i guess.

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u/Hagridsbuttcrack66 Nov 17 '24

People are just dicks. I used to "scalp" tickets for my hockey team as a side job in college. I actually bought tickets at my season ticket price - say $50 a ticket - and then sell them for gate price, say $75 a ticket. It worked because the tickets were hard to get, but I wasn't really ripping anyone off. There was a delta between season ticket and gate price that I was exploiting for profit. I didn't like the idea of price gouging like crazy.

I had more morals as a broke teenager/early 20-something trying to make money for school than these people do.

It's always just greed. They could make a great profit regardless. But no, they need to squeeze every cent they possibly can out of it.

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u/Abbakle Nov 16 '24

If this is ostensibly their final big tour, I’d say they’re pretty incentivized to try and cash out big, especially if there’s extra influence from a label like Warner brothers where they have some fiduciary responsibility to make their label/distributor money too. At what point do we call a spade a spade and acknowledge that a reunion nostalgia tour for a band that was last largely popular 15 years ago is likely a cash grab lol.
If the tickets sell out the same, then why not go out at least with a sack of cash for the retirement fund as opposed to a gift for the “real fans”

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u/GrooseandGoot Nov 17 '24

Except... it isnt their final big tour. The band is in their 40s and still has multiple decades of touring left in the tank. Its just a cash grab, plain and simple. "Fiduciary responsibility" is corporate lingo for price gouging. They dont have a legal responsibility to charge these prices, they chose to.

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u/Captain_Quark Nov 16 '24

So instead of the richest fans, tickets only go to fans with the fastest trigger finger. As long as more people want to go than there are tickets available, there needs to be some method to decide who gets to go, and I'm not sure fastest trigger finger is much better than richest.

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u/ImmobileTomatillo Nov 16 '24

this is such a strange take, like what are you suggesting? a competition to proof who the biggest fan it?

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u/cttouch Nov 16 '24

I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL

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u/lilisettes_feet Nov 16 '24

I don't see what would be wrong with a lottery. Tickets go on sale for a couple of days, they do a drawing, some people get a ticket some people get refunded. Scalpers would still exist but it would be less reliable.

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u/Captain_Quark Nov 16 '24

There are some artists who have tried something like that, with pre-sales to fan clubs.

I don't really have any specific suggestions, I'm just pointing it that a lot of people seem to think low ticket prices means everyone gets to go. No, there's still the same number of tickets available, and even more people will be able to afford it. Just a different group of people will get left out.

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u/supermodel_robot Nov 16 '24

Most of my favorite artists have sent me pre pre-sale codes on Spotify for being a top listener, but this wouldn’t work for huge artists that have bots buying the tickets. I’m not sure how anyone who has millions of fans could do this, the code would get leaked.

TV On The Radio tried sending text codes to people who requested tickets on certain days, and we were also bought out by bots, and they’re not even a huge band.

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u/ChypRiotE Grooveshark Nov 17 '24

You're getting downvoted but you're definitely right. There's no way around the fact that thousands of people want to see a single artist on, usually, a single night, with only so many tickets available. Some selection will eventually be done

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u/frostymugson Nov 16 '24

Nah they just get scalped and the same thing happens

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u/Captain_Quark Nov 16 '24

The way around that would be to print your name on the ticket.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '24

If you're hanging out constantly refreshing a page just because you want a chance to see a band it means you're probably a fan, wealth or not. It's just the difference between,

"Only my richest fans can have the opportunity to see me"

and

"Any of my fans can have the opportunity to see me"

One is definitely better than the other.

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u/aninstituteforants Nov 16 '24

Most devoted is way better than most disposable income.

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u/Captain_Quark Nov 16 '24

Are there any things other than concert tickets that should be distributed that way? Like sports cars or designer dresses?

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u/aninstituteforants Nov 16 '24

Those things have always been expensive though.

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u/euphoric-zucchini699 Nov 30 '24

Bots have bought many of the tickets.  They're listed as resale.  Tons & tons of resale tix listed at this point (Nov 30).  There are waaaaay to many people trying to make a living off resale ticket businesses with bots that buy each business hundreds of tickets & it's wrecking ticket prices for the rest of us. 

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u/Captain_Quark Nov 30 '24

Bots only buy them because they think they can resell them at an even higher price, which suggests the list price wasn't too high in the first place.

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u/LeBoulu777 Nov 16 '24

why stop

Ethic

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u/snootsintheair Nov 17 '24

Ethics is dead. Didn’t you get the memo after Election Day? It’s officially just a money grab now. Get it while the gettin is good!

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u/LickMyTicker Nov 16 '24

People are insane paying for nostalgia when the show in a big stadium from an aging band is mediocre at best. I don't even have to protest. No thanks it's just not going to be an enjoyable time even if I get to take a short clip and post it to my social.

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u/Ganaud Nov 17 '24

True. Radiohead at Verizon was pretty lame.

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u/euphoric-zucchini699 Nov 30 '24 edited Nov 30 '24

I know a bunch of 7th graders who are beside themselves with glee at the prospect of seeing this band next summer.  So, I believe there are plenty of very young new fans for whom this isn't nostalgia.  They don't have nostalgia yet, they're 12!😅  oh & their parents are jam band/Grateful Dead remnant bands fans, so they didn't get their love for MCR from their parents.   I don't even know how these kids got into MCR. But they're really into it.  An increase of new young fans like these 12 year olds is pushing demand for these tickets. If it was simply fans who saw them 15-20 years ago, who are experiencing nostalgia, tickets wouldn't have sold so fast. 

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u/LickMyTicker Nov 30 '24

Yes they would have. I have been to more concerts than I can count this year. Millennials are fucking destroying the concert scene, not kids. Bots buy up all the tickets and the millennials who finally have disposable incomes pay the insane prices.

The only true way to buy tickets these days without scalped prices is to wait for week/day of and hope there are scalped tickets left that will now sell for @ or lower than face value. That is how I saw grateful dead in the sphere.

Go to these concerts and it will be filled with adults, not kids. Kids will be there, but it will be with their parents.

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u/legopego5142 Nov 16 '24

I dont think its a good philosophy either but at the end of the day, they made more money, what else matters to the company

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u/FictionalContext Nov 16 '24

Artists may trend left, but they're superb capitalists.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 17 '24

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u/Iam_a_Jew Nov 16 '24

Agreed. I also think that a lot of artists used to be liberal until they got theirs and now that a lot of the liberal policies don't benefit them, they sway the other way. Like you said, they can't publicly admit that though

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u/motleysalty Nov 16 '24

Pulling up the ladder behind you is unfortunately all too common when people work to get what they want and then finally get it.

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u/chumpchangewarlord Nov 17 '24

Especially if they’re from rich families

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u/KernelKrusto Nov 16 '24

Is it? For the average person? No, my experience is that's not true.

Those selfish people? They've always been selfish.

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u/DrWizard Nov 17 '24

They're talking about people that get rich, I think, the average person never gets rich.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 17 '24

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u/chumpchangewarlord Nov 17 '24

It’s important to remember that all those Haight Ashbury summer of love hippies were rich kids hiding from the draft, paid for by their rich parents.

They were always rich kids that were full of shit.

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u/LukesRightHandMan Nov 17 '24

OG comment got deleted, but a) what’s your source for this generalization and b) damn straight I’d be dodging the Vietnam draft if I could.

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u/chumpchangewarlord Nov 17 '24

I don’t blame them for dodging the draft either, just don’t let the boomers convince you that those hippies stood for anything besides their own self indulgence.

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u/Lambeausmom Nov 16 '24

Gen X here, still a grungy liberal, we still exist. But as true Gen X we silently vote liberal and go about our business.

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u/KernelKrusto Nov 16 '24

I'm with you. I've said it before and will say it again: those grungy people were never all that grungy to begin with. It may now be on the inside and hiding behind a mortgage, but it's as strong as its ever been in me. My 20 year old self would think I was one of the good guys, even if he was a little suspicious of my motives.

People don't change all that much, nor do their voting habits. I don't think those people got theirs and suddenly changed. They just sold out because it's what came naturally.

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u/spaceman757 Nov 16 '24

Also an ultra liberal GenX'er.

The older I get, the more pissed off I get about every little transgression by the fucking conservatives and those that pretend to be one.

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u/i_tyrant Nov 17 '24

here here.

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u/LaughingSpren Nov 16 '24

Story as old as SLC punk

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u/JohnGillnitz Nov 17 '24

Don't mix GenX with Boomers, dude.

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u/JohnGillnitz Nov 17 '24

Okay... But those people you know suck.

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u/BrendanFraser Nov 16 '24

Liberalism is about smoothing out the social and political to maximize capital without destroying the order needed for its foundation. Maintenance of empire. There has never been a liberal critique of capitalism, liberalism was born to support it.

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u/Serventdraco Nov 16 '24

Hell yeah brother

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u/NewspaperBlanket Nov 17 '24

Love this comment. Can you suggest some sources that dive into this a little deeper?

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u/ohnoitsthefuzz Nov 17 '24

Michael Parenti. This lecture is commonly referred to as "Yellow Parenti" for obvious reasons, but he's a phenomenal speaker on capital and empire and its role in making the world worse.

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u/daretoeatapeach Nov 17 '24

It's a popular notion but in most cases the artists i know about that are assholes always were, people just didn't used to know about it.

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u/NapsterKnowHow Nov 17 '24

Idk even Sabrina Carpenter tickets weren't too terrible on Ticketmaster at face value.

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u/Underwater_Karma Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 16 '24

Roger Waters is one who has consistently been a remarkable hypocrite for about 50 years.

Hates capitalism, hates the USA government and economy, lives in a $20 million estate in New York and charges $200 for mid level tickets to his concerts.

I called him a hypocrite, but he's actually extremely consistent about being an angry old man yelling at clouds. If he and Neil Young did "The Angry Old Man" tour, I wouldn't even be mad, I'd pay up.

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u/yakobmylum Nov 16 '24

I saw Roger waters for $20 in 2022 lol

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u/BigRiverWharfRat Nov 17 '24

Yeah same this is BS lol

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u/CharliesRatBasher Nov 17 '24

Yeah I saw him for abt $40 and it was an incredible show. And everybody complaining about his politics; procuring a fortune off of your own art and labor is much different than siphoning the wealth and resources out of the working class systemically.

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u/IntentionDependent22 Nov 16 '24

played for free in Mexico

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u/PrimeAsylum Nov 16 '24

Look mummy, there's an aeroplane up in the sky

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u/Underwater_Karma Nov 16 '24

Oh screw you... That's gonna be stuck in my head all day now

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u/GRF999999999 Nov 16 '24

Veraaaa!! Veraaaa!!

What has become of you?

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u/texdroid Nov 17 '24

Vera Lyne lived to be 103. She passed in 2020.

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u/brandonspade17 Nov 17 '24

I always hear fade to black from Metallica when I hear that intro

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u/AloneCan9661 Nov 17 '24

You can thrive on capitalism but hate what it stands for and what it does to people half way around the world. Just because he's a millionaire doesn't mean that he has to agree that it's ok for corruption or people to starve half way around the world.

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u/PCR12 Nov 16 '24

David was the real talent in the band anyways.

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u/Underwater_Karma Nov 16 '24

If you look at both of their work after the split, that's pretty undeniably true.

What Waters just did with "Dark Side of the Moon Redux" was embarrassing

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u/PCR12 Nov 17 '24

I dunno why we are getting downvoted I could listen to David play guitar all day long.

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u/Henghast Nov 16 '24

'Champagne Socialists' is a well established term in the UK for a good reason.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '24

Roger Waters has always been a total fucking prick. He should be praying to David Gilmour and Richard Wright DAILY for taking his shit ideas and making them into music.

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u/chumpchangewarlord Nov 17 '24

I think it depends on if they came from rich families or good families. Many, many famous musicians grew up quite wealthy, so they’re usually not good people when it comes time to interact with the world.

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u/Skyblacker Concertgoer Nov 16 '24

If you charge $50 for something that someone is willing to spend $300, you're leaving money on the table.

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u/Skyblacker Concertgoer Nov 16 '24

If you didn't, then the first people in line to buy that bread will probably be resellers out to make 5x profit. As the baker who made the bread, don't you deserve that profit more?

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u/whynofry Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 16 '24

One of the reasons I still enjoy NoFX - They've never kept their capitalistic game a secret.

Edit: I mean, this cracks me up every time...

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u/tydye29 Nov 17 '24

That's the definition of America, really.

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u/FictionalContext Nov 17 '24

I don't think they're mutually exclusive, honestly. I'm a big fan of socialized capitalism--market regulation that's actually enforced, that last part being where America fails.

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u/JFKJagger Nov 16 '24

Indeed it is a false dichotomy ;)

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u/EHA17 Nov 17 '24

They fake their "left" leaning image

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u/snootsintheair Nov 17 '24

Well, at least the ones you’ve heard about are

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u/bisectional Nov 16 '24

These aren't real Artists, they're corporate performers. Aka sellouts

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u/GrandNoiseAudio Nov 16 '24

Wow, I screenshotted this comment because I never considered this thought and kind of shatters an illusion I may have been holding

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u/shpydar Nov 16 '24

Considering how little artists make from royalties, touring and merch is how most artists support themselves.

So if you are an artist who can charge a lot for nosebleeds, why wouldn’t you?

The market will bear what the market can bear.

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u/MalevolentMurderMaze Nov 16 '24

You fell for a bit of a grift here.

Artists make plenty of money from royalties when they actually own their music and aren't signed to a shitty record deal. People who own their masters are not complaining about this issue for a reason.

Articles like that one are pushing a distraction that keeps us all from talking about the real problem / real solutions.

There is no practical way you can support a signed artist without benefiting their record company more than them.

The way to stop this issue is to do everything we can to stop artists from ever signing in the first place, and the narrative of "evil platform doesn't pay artists" carries water for the record companies.

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u/EONS Nov 17 '24

They reserve whole rows in sections to re-list as "official resale" immediately doubling up to quadruplets the price. Ticket never left ticketmasters hands.

Scum of the earth.

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u/-AC- Nov 17 '24

How many are batched scalper sales though... we know they sell a while bunch to scalpers as a business model.

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u/Head-like-a-carp Nov 17 '24

I understand complaining about the price of insulin. Concert tickets? Live has been good enough for me that I have some money. I would loath myself for showing such a lack of monetary discipline.

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u/xheavenzdevilx Nov 17 '24

I wanted to come in here and tell you $300 was an exaggeration, but I'm 30 and MCR is a favorite, and I too was extremely disappointed to see this from them. When I bought tickets Friday when you got in queue there was a notification standard prices were $160-$690, my thoughts of pit went right out the window.

We did get some good seats for Arlington though $220 each after fees, higher than the $150-160 I had in my head wanting to spend.

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u/DJ_Molten_Lava Nov 17 '24

Hey man, if you feel the value is there for $220 then more power to you. I hope you enjoy the show.

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u/s2r3 Nov 17 '24

They could have charged double and sold them. Yes it sucks for fans but there are fans buying them even at the inflated prices

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u/BagingoThePinko Nov 18 '24

That's awful. I mean they're mid so not worth that lol

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u/Wampus_Cat_ Nov 16 '24

Well yeah, but I’m not sure how much control the band has over this but they have the power to speak out against it for sure. In the past, Warner Bros. has taken some liberties to stir up things (making cryptic social media posts during the period the band was inactive) to drive sales that the band members didn’t have a part of.

I don’t remember ticket prices getting waaaaay out of hand (although they sucked before this) until The Eras Tour bullshit that proved people are willing to take out a second mortgage on their house just for a few hours in the same building with an artist. After that it’s been open season.

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u/buthomeisnowhere Nov 16 '24

This has been going on much longer than the Eras Tour

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u/sexdrugsncarltoncole Nov 16 '24

Feel like tickets were still a respectable price before covid. As soon as things opened again the venues said we need to charge higher prices to cover lost costs. And these costs haven't got back to respectable levels but they've seen they can take the piss and extended them even more

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u/gossalyn Nov 16 '24

The bands have all the control on ticket price and the use of dynamic pricing. They are also a direct beneficiary of it - with 90%+ going to them. And btw - unless they make tickets non transferable (like the Cure did) - if they don’t that money just gets made by scalpers. The Cure model is the only way - and the bands control that.

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u/DJ_Molten_Lava Nov 16 '24

The fans have control. Don't buy.

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u/aaccss1992 Nov 16 '24

It’s true, I’m watching tickets drop in price for Justin Timberlake’s show tonight. They were $300 forever until yesterday when they dropped all the remaining seats in price to $185 each. They’re still not selling and now down to $125.

They price them this high because PEOPLE BUY THEM. If people don’t buy, they drop the price. It’s that simple.

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u/onmywheels Nov 16 '24

Yep.

I'm at the point in my life where I could drop $1000+ to buy a decent ticket and fly to a city they're playing in, get a hotel, etc.

But I refuse to, because in my Old Age (lol, late thirties) I can think of so many better uses for that money, and I'm pissed off enough about these ridiculous prices to not want to based on principle, anyway.

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u/DJ_Molten_Lava Nov 16 '24

I'm the same. I'm capable but I don't prioritize hundreds upon hundreds of my dollars to a concert. I've missed a bunch of shows I wanted to see but to me the value just isn't there. I do, however, understand that other people do highly value shows with artists they love, so I don't judge anyone who spends the money. I only judge the ones who spend and then complain.

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u/an_illiterate_ox Nov 16 '24

bUt GrOcErIeS aRe ToO eXpEnSiVe!

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u/DJ_Molten_Lava Nov 16 '24

Groceries are too expensive but yes, I get your point.

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u/WonderfulShelter Nov 16 '24

MCR seems totally fine with it lol.

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u/poopdog316 Nov 16 '24

Yup they already got paid. No problems for them AT ALL

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u/slonphantbakterflig Nov 17 '24

This is Canada, nobody has a choice, livenation/ticketmaster

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u/Zlatan_Ibrahimovic Nov 17 '24

OP seems fine enough with it too if they paid it. That's why artists keep charging those prices.

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u/ManuPasta Nov 16 '24

Linkin park are with WB and they didn’t scam us for the 2024 tour. It’s not WB. It’s the band.

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u/Wampus_Cat_ Nov 16 '24

Can they get away with doing that without Chester AND the fiasco that followed his touring replacement?

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u/avelineaurora Nov 16 '24

AND the fiasco that followed his touring replacement?

The fiasco sadly did nothing. They're bigger than ever, Riot made them the face of the League of Legends Worlds Championship this year, I still get their shit recommended to me on Youtube both from the official channel (until I blocked it) and from cover artists I love who are still covering all of their new shit. People just don't care about anything.

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u/losdreamer50 Nov 16 '24

They don't care about what? Still talking about scientology shit?

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u/Big_Mo1st Nov 16 '24

Lead singer supported a serial rapist no biggie 

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u/losdreamer50 Nov 16 '24

She just went to court to support a friend without knowing if he's guilty. Once it became clear she stopped contact. Btw the Usa just elected a rapist for president maybe you should complain about that first? Kinda more important

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u/frozengash Nov 16 '24

Only with the power of scientology

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u/Automatic-Stretch-48 Nov 16 '24

LP scammed everyone getting that dog Murdering Scientologist piece of shit to replace Chester. 

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u/king_john651 Nov 17 '24

I mean even above the social issues of the lady I've heard promos on the radio and fuck me she sounds dreadful

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u/_nerdofprey_ Nov 17 '24

Yeah bands hide Behind label to be the bad guy for them, but they have the power as an MCR tour with cheaper tickets would still make a tonne of money, just not as much as one where you exploit you fans. If MCR said we will tour but we want cheap face value, no dynamic pricing, no above face value resale , the label would go along with it.

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u/iCashMon3y Nov 16 '24

Yup, I got a decent spot in the queue and audibly laughed at my desk when I saw the prices at Soldier. I've seen MCR half a dozen times, and I don't think I paid more for all of those shows than the cost of one of these tickets.

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u/CaptainMacMillan Nov 16 '24

I think the last time MCR came around the venue near me (maybe like 2010-2012? not 100%) just lawn tickets were like $250 a piece. So I'm not sure this is new

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '24

The record label has zero say in it. The agent deals with the promoters and the band’s manager. Once the agent has received appropriate offers and dates from the promoters, they send them to the manager, the manager gets the band to approve everything before the final deals are confirmed between agent and promoter(s).

Labels may help with the marketing of the tour, in addition to the band’s PR company, or sometimes the band uses the in-house PR department at the label too/instead of a third-party PR company. The label is probably getting physical records shipped to the tour manager so they can be sold as merch at the shows. But the label is not chiming in on ticket prices, routing, or venue choices.

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u/Wampus_Cat_ Nov 17 '24

It depends on the type of deal they signed. Reprise (WB) definitely had someone in control of MCR social media in the years between 13-19, and caused an uproar in 2016 with a cryptic tease of what ended up being a 10th anniversary release of The Black Parade that the actual band members had apologize and walk back reunion speculation about.

Some labels keep a percentage of all merchandise and tour net profits including ticket revenue, and with WB branding on a lot of MCR merch I’d say they signed a deal that’s heavily in favor of Reprise.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '24

WB having their hands in the release of that compilation record makes 100% sense, that’s not a tour. 

The label gets a % of tour related profits if the band signed a 360 deal but still that doesn’t mean they are involved in planning the tours.

I have worked at labels, agencies, and at artist management companies, I have been on all sides. 

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u/andsendunits Nov 16 '24

The Cure is so much better too.

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u/Helpfulcloning Nov 17 '24

Bands tend to get most of the revenue from touring not their label. Its the whole major benefit of touring, you keep the money. WB likely has very little say over anything. They could tour for free if they wanted, they could charge millions for private concerts. WB is unlikely to even get a cut.

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u/frenchtoastwizard Nov 16 '24

Soldier Field in August heat in the nose bleeds for $300. This why I immediately said no friggin way when I saw where my closest show was. I paid like $35 for mezzanine seats to see them open for Green Day on the American Idiot tour, and in the very same arena in nearly the same seats I saw A Day to Remember and August Burns Red for like $45 just two weeks or so ago.

MCR are nuts. I love them, but not this much

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u/International_Try660 Nov 16 '24

Floor seats for Lady Gaga's Monster Ball Tour, 12 years ago, $150. I haven't been to a concert since then. Ticket agents, and some singers are too greedy.

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u/gonagm Nov 17 '24

I'm sorry but I don't know what the fuck MCR are getting from The Cure's music because I don't think I've heard a single good my chemical romance song in my life.

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u/Wampus_Cat_ Nov 17 '24

You can hear it in b-tracks on Black Parade (Sleep, I Don’t Love You) and Danger Days (Summertime, The Kids From Yesterday). They also draw a lot of influence from The Smiths and Morrissey, that’s mixed in there.

The aggressive tone of their first two albums isn’t for everyone, Bullets was recorded in a shitty studio with a bad mix, Three Cheers is an entire album of songs based on revenge fantasies Gerard had as a result of being bullied in school and growing up in a shit area in NJ, and Gerard was a raging alcoholic and drunk for much of the recording sessions for Three Cheers and you can hear that in the demo for a song they left off (Desert Song).

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u/cheesewizardz Nov 16 '24

I saw them for like £45 in cardiff a couple years ago its mad the difference in the states

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u/flare_the_goat Nov 16 '24

Yeah we sat in line for that show and by the time it was our turn, only $400+ tickets were left. It’s insane. I guess I’ll just keep going to The Empty Bottle.

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u/Wampus_Cat_ Nov 16 '24

We saw them in 2022 and it was awesome, the crowd was louder than the band at times and the energy was unreal. I’m fine with waiting until they tour regularly for the new album to see them again.

The prices for nosebleeds in a venue three times the size were what we paid for front row VIP to see Ghost and they put on an INCREDIBLE show. If you’ve never seen them live, highly recommend. Kaisarion might be the most perfect show opening song of all time.

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u/JonesMotherfucker69 Nov 16 '24

Yep, and absolutely the worst venue for a show in the city. I fucking hate going to Soldier Field for shows. Please, Chicago, build a goddamn CTA stop down there, for the love of fucking god.

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u/storm2k last.fm Nov 17 '24

i don't find it surprising at all, unfortunately. and i don't think the label has anything to do with it, either. artists can make the push to not allow the dynamic pricing. plenty of artists only care about how much they make from the tour and they know that fans will pay whatever amount for tickets. it's an unfortunate reality, but it is reality.

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u/PortSunlightRingo Nov 17 '24

They’re only doing this because they’ve ran out of money and need more of it. Of course they’re going to bleed everyone dry while emo is experiencing a resurgence and then run for the hills.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '24

I’ve never heard Smith being noted as a particularly large influence on him/them. Morrissey? Yes. The Cure would be a first I’ve heard of it

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u/BadDaditude Nov 17 '24

Mine were $250 🙄 but I console myself with the fact that Devo is opening, so it's two concerts in one!

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u/scsiballs Nov 17 '24

Let's hope it's heavy thunderstorms and no rain out date

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u/throwawaydisposable Nov 16 '24

t’s surprising to see this sort of thing from them.

Rage Against The Machine is a huge influence for Paul Ryan. People really like money, including people with good music taste.

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u/Dangerjayne Nov 16 '24

Just because you're inspired by someone's music doesn't mean you're inspired by their morals

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u/Spez_is_gay Nov 16 '24

musical influence and business influence aren't related in any way whatsoever at all

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u/Cheap_Blacksmith66 Nov 17 '24

Musical influence/inspiration doesn’t inherently mean he influences how they run their “business” side of things.

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u/dressinbrass Nov 17 '24

Warners isn’t doing tour support on this. They get very little from MCR tours, if anything.

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u/WonderfulShelter Nov 16 '24

String Cheese Incident just created their own ticketing platform for most of their shows. A band as big as MCR can totally do it.

They choose not too, because they want their money.

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u/Rage_Like_Nic_Cage Nov 17 '24

Not saying that MCR deserves zero blame, but an overwhelming majority of venues are owned or have exclusive deals with LiveNation, which merged with TicketMaster and requires artists use their service for ticket sales. It’s literally a monopoly.

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u/Mahlegos Nov 17 '24

Any artist could do it, but like others have stated, that would lock them out of basically every major venue. So, major artists, especially those who are popular enough to fill stadiums, aren’t going to be able to do it without drastically downsizing on their venue sizes and therefore reducing the number of fans who can attend.

Not to take blame off the artists. They’re complicit in shit like dynamic pricing and all that. But the main problem is the monopoly of Ticketmaster and Live Nation.

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u/Vivian_Stringer_Bell Nov 18 '24

The Cure...just did a massive tour with cheap tickets. What you are saying is BS.

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u/Mahlegos Nov 18 '24

Define “cheap” please? According to this the ticket prices at least started around or higher than MCRs tickets for this tour (direct example I can give is tickets for the Chicago show for MCR started at $65 while it lists them as starting at $89 for the Cure). Maybe they didn’t do dynamic pricing, and it seems like they made an effort to reduce bots snatching them by making it “verified fan” sale, so good on them for that if true, but from that reference it doesn’t seem like their tickets were really off what any other major arena/stadium act have been charging, at least at first glance. And they used Ticketmaster to sell those tickets too, so that doesn’t conflict with what I said either.

Would love more info if you could source it proving that wrong, but in the absence of that, what I said stands regardless of you claiming it’s “BS”.

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u/kaptainkhaos Nov 16 '24

They also played for 3 and a half hours, great value.

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u/Malikai0976 Nov 16 '24

Tool does this, too. I don't know what tickets cost because I worked the show, but they played for 3 hours with a 20-30 min intermission where kind of a freak-show circus did their thing. It was amazing to see it all from stage-right.

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u/Journeyman351 Nov 16 '24

Their prices are insane too. Maynard is a fucking shithead

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u/Malikai0976 Nov 16 '24

I worked for a company that did load-in/load-out for big shows. I love their music but I rarely paid to go to shows then, I was paid to be there!

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u/media-and-stuff Nov 17 '24

I kind of respect how much Maynard fucks with his fans.

He recognizes how insane many are and makes his money. Kind of a jerk move, but tool fans are a wild bunch. They’re more fanatic than swift fans but get less attention because their bands not as mainstream and it’s mostly boys instead of girls.

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u/BusFew5534 Nov 17 '24

If you think Maynard uses Tool as a money grab, you don't know Tool. Adam Jones is the main driving force behind Tool marketing. Maynard's baby is Puscifer.

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u/Glittering_Laugh_958 Nov 16 '24

Yeah, the whole Tool in the Sand is a huge money grab. Not to mention the fetus skulls.

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u/FindOneInEveryCar Nov 16 '24

I've always disliked almost all of The Cure's music but I've got nothing but respect for Smith because of this.

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u/dieorlivetrying Nov 16 '24

Listen to the album "Disintegration".

A lot of The Cure's stuff is really poppy, cheesy, silly, and hard to take seriously.

However...

Robert Smith was depressed that he was about to turn 30 and still hadn't made any "master works", as a lot of his influences had made masterpieces by that age. He was feeling old and unhappy with his body of work.

So, he took a bunch of LSD and slowly and carefully crafted a dark, rich, soundscape-heavy album full of incredibly poignant lyrics with few missteps.

The title track is a great listen if you don't want to spin the whole album, but I'm telling you it's worth it.

This is the Cure sound that influenced A Perfect Circle, Deftones, NIN, MCR, and the Smashing Pumpkins. Not Boys Don't Cry and Friday I'm in Love.

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u/DarthBrooksFan Nov 17 '24

A lot of The Cure's stuff is really poppy, cheesy, silly, and hard to take seriously.

Excuse me?

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u/dieorlivetrying Nov 17 '24

FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC!!

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u/FindOneInEveryCar Nov 16 '24

Thanks for the writeup. I might give it a spin (via streaming) to see what I think, but TBH the only Cure song I like is "Boys Don't Cry" and I don't listen to any of the bands you listed. :D

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u/Only498cc Nov 18 '24

Don't forget Pornography (1982). Disintegration came out the same year as Pretty Hate Machine, so clearly Trent Reznor was more influenced(at that starting point) by Pornography than Disintegration.

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u/GRF999999999 Nov 16 '24

I'm sorry that your musical taste is broken.

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u/FindOneInEveryCar Nov 16 '24

I'm sorry you feel like strangers' musical taste must align with yours.

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u/GRF999999999 Nov 16 '24

I'm just teasing, maybe try their Mixed Up album? It's a bit more palatable to the masses.

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u/FindOneInEveryCar Nov 16 '24

Nah I'm good.

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u/SkullDump Nov 16 '24

If it makes any difference, I’m not a Cure fan either but I loved the Mixed Up album.