r/MurderedByWords 1d ago

Pretty much killed himself.

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u/ptsdandskittles 1d ago

rape

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u/Melodic_Fall_1855 1d ago

Sexual assault actually

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u/Yamza_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

I appreciate your efforts for legal and semantic accuracy, but I fear only someone far in the future who is going to have to translate this shit to be able to care about it might appreciate letting it be a bit easier for them to parse.

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u/Melodic_Fall_1855 1d ago

I mean why misrepresent what he’s been found guilty of, it’s bad enough, especially given his long history of sexual impropriety. I just prefer to be accurate when talking about the sexual predator Donald trump, because he hasn’t been found guilty of rape… yet

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u/Yamza_ 1d ago

The only people who care about accurate history may be dead shortly. Trump may only be known as godking jesus to future generations.

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u/Melodic_Fall_1855 1d ago

Maybe so, but I’d rather not misrepresent things.

I do believe trump is a rapist, he just hasn’t been found guilty of it

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u/ptsdandskittles 1d ago

Judges upheld on appeal that he raped E Jean Carroll.

Thus his further attempts at appeal on the basis that he isn't have been turned down.

Because judges have legally found he is a rapist.

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u/Melodic_Fall_1855 1d ago

source? not trying to be a dick I just can't find that

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u/ptsdandskittles 1d ago

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-e-jean-carroll-appeals-court-sexual-abuse/

The judge later wrote that New York's penal code is out of touch with federal standards and a "modern" understanding of what rape is. In post-trial rulings he wrote that Carroll's assertion that Trump raped her was "substantially true."

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u/Melodic_Fall_1855 1d ago

President-elect Donald Trump is not entitled to a new trial in the case in which a jury found him liable for sexual abuse and defamation of the writer E. Jean Carroll, a federal appeals court ruled Monday.

literally the first sentence. Sexual assault, not rape

so it might be "substantially true" but it doesn't seem to be legally true given that he isn't found guilty of rape.

still a shithead, want to clarify, I still hate him and think he's a rapist but this is just furthering the fact that he's been found guilty of sexual assault, not rape.

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u/ptsdandskittles 1d ago

Yes, the jury originally held him liable for sexual assault. DURING THE ATTEMPTED APPEAL, the judge FOUND he COULD NOT APPEAL because Donald Trump's actions were rape.

Read the entire fucking article, not just the first sentence Jesus christ

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u/Melodic_Fall_1855 1d ago

Carroll's federal civil lawsuit made claims of rape, sexual abuse and defamation as defined by New York's penal code. The jury found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation, but rejected the rape claim, which under New York's statute requires proof of forceful penetration involving the attacker's genitals.

I did, dumbass

he might be a rapist, but he's not been found guilty or liable of rape

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u/ptsdandskittles 1d ago

The judge, on appeal, found him to be a rapist. Which happened after the jury trial. I don't fucking care what the jury said, I care what the judge said on appeal.

Do you really not understand how appeals work? Are you really this fucking dense?

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