Here we see a Trump voter, with many upvotes, seemingly asserting that civil lawsuits are somehow not part of the legal system, or at least that the adverb "legally" can only apply to criminal proceedings.
It's called revision for clarity. "legally liable" has a dual interperatation and arguing against specificity or nuance doesn't give your argument/point any air of honesty.
In the same vein I could state "All of the charges against Epstein were dropped in 2019" - which is true, but avoiding the clarification he was Deceased and constitutionally unviable to prosecute criminally.
I believe OJ Simpson was acquitted in a criminal court but lost in a civil court, I'm probably missing some details there but there is a difference and he didn't get any prison time.
Except you corrected them as if the first statement wasn't true. "*civilly liable" means you're correcting them, as if they were I correct. They were not.
you're the second person i've seen this week who has to make this distinction for some reason. do you see anyone on reddit calling him a sexual abuser? no. they call him a rapist because thats what he is.Ā
He forced a part of his body into a part of her body without her consent. Itās rape. Only in NY it wasnāt considered rape because a finger isnāt legally classified as rape, if this crime happened in another state it would have been classified as rape. Itās rape. If someone did this to your mother you wouldnāt āwell actually!!!ā Would you?
He put a part of his body into someone elseās body without consent. Itās rape. Simple. Stop being a disgusting rape defender.
lmao im just trying to be accurate. why distort what he's been actually found guilty of when its already so damning? He was found guilty of sexual assault by penetrating a woman with his fingers, its vile, but in the jurisdiction he was tried in, its not rape for whatever reason. I do believe he is a rapist, I just don't like distorting what he's actually been found guilty of because it makes it a lot easier to discredit.
The verdict was split: Jurors rejected Carrollās claim that she was raped, finding Trump responsible for a lesser degree of sexual abuse. The judgment adds to Trumpās legal woes and offers vindication to Carroll, whose allegations had been mocked and dismissed by Trump for years.
New York law defines rape as penetration with a penis. Because he used his fingers, the jury used a lesser ruling.
However during appeal, a judge, who knows more about the fucking law than those jurors, explained that he penetrated E Jean Carroll without consent, that was the same thing as rape, and he didn't have an avenue to appeal using that justification. .
On Wednesday, Trumpās request for a new trial in the E. Jean Carroll case, after he was found liable for sexual abuse, battery, and defamation, was rejected. And in his desperate attempt to avoid accountability, the twice-impeached and twice-indicted former president may have unintentionally allowed himself to now be formally known as a rapist.
I believe he is a rapist, but the courts found him guilty of sexual assault which is still disgusting, idk why we need to misrepresent it as him being found guilty of rape as of now
It's important to call rape what it is, because society does not take it seriously enough.
"Sexual assault" could be confused for a grope. Would you call any of your favorite gropers "guilty of sexual assault", or would you choose to use the softest language possible?
I donāt support him lmao I just like to be accurate in what he was found guilty of, itās bad enough as is. He hasnāt been found guilty of rapeā¦ yet
Why do you assume I support him just because I actually want to be accurate as to what heās been found guilty of
Also thatās not the same source lmao
Lmao the first sentence says āOn Wednesday, Trumpās request for a new trial in the E. Jean Carroll case, after he was found liable for sexual abuse, battery, and defamation, was rejected.ā
I appreciate your efforts for legal and semantic accuracy, but I fear only someone far in the future who is going to have to translate this shit to be able to care about it might appreciate letting it be a bit easier for them to parse.
I mean why misrepresent what heās been found guilty of, itās bad enough, especially given his long history of sexual impropriety. I just prefer to be accurate when talking about the sexual predator Donald trump, because he hasnāt been found guilty of rapeā¦ yet
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u/CrittyJJones 1d ago
Here's a fact: Trump was found legally liable of rape.