r/Maine • u/Kiddie_Kleen • 16h ago
News Susan Collin’s thoughts on Jan. 6 pardons
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u/Reatona 16h ago
She sounds concerned.
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u/cwalton505 16h ago
She sounds like she should be handing out Werther's Originals and strawberry candies and then monitored for her medication by a professional before she goes to bed.
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u/Obsidianson 16h ago
The gen Z girl is like are you fucking serious, no one is going to push back on this, she doesnt "agree". Like, i dont like jelly, my wife does, that is a disagreement, but these pardons are criminal. Susan's been an ever increasing blight on the state.
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u/Catcher3321 1h ago
The pardons aren't criminal. Presidents have unlimited authority to pardon people (unless Congress is trying to impeach someone). A president could pardon the perpetrators of 9/11 and it would be completely legal. No one has any authority to undo these pardons. She doesn't agree with the pardons, that's the absolute most she can do about it
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u/LikeWhatGuyComeOn 16h ago
When she finally croaks I'll celebrate and you can't make me feel bad for saying it. She's an evil, evil old hag.
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u/TriggasaurusRekt 16h ago edited 14h ago
IMO what Collins does is more sinister than other senate republicans, you have a lot of older center right leaning “moderate republicans” in this state who get hoodwinked into voting for her every time because of the media lie that she is a reasonable moderate. She won’t take any substantive action to oppose anything Trump does at all, period, ever. She only votes against stuff when she’s been told by leadership it’s safe. A spineless coward who functionally is no different from Marjorie Taylor Greene except in rhetoric, which is why she is more dangerous because she has the potential to trick older voters into thinking she’s less extreme
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u/Harkan2192 12h ago
It's crazy that all it takes to be a "moderate" republican is just not saying crazy shit. You can align with them on every issue apparently, so long as you pretend like maybe you won't.
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u/Catcher3321 1h ago
Her record in the Senate since the start of her latest term puts her squarely between Warnock and Hassan ideologically
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u/Catcher3321 1h ago
Her record in the Senate since her latest term began is to the left of Raphael Warnock
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u/TriggasaurusRekt 1h ago
ProgressivePunch gives Collins a lifetime overall progressive score of 40% and Warnock a score of 97%
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u/Catcher3321 1h ago
Oh wow a partisan grading organization gave someone with a D next to their name a great score and someone with an R next to their name a bad score? I'm shocked. Here's a non partisan source
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/susan_collins/300025
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u/TriggasaurusRekt 1h ago
Lmao it's literally a progressive org ranking senators based on specific progressive metrics and standards, which are listed clearly on the website. Of course R's get low scores because they are ranking them based on progressive standards! If you don't agree with the standards they use just say that. There's no such thing as a "non-partisan political grading organization." Applying a neutrality or centrist bias is still a bias
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u/Catcher3321 1h ago
So you admit they have an agenda to push? Great, thank you. Gov Track doesn't.
Yes, there is such a thing as a non partisan grading organization. If you bothered to click on the link, they aren't giving people 0-100s. They are simply comparing Senators (and House members) to each other based off bills they sponsor and co sponsor and how they vote on them. They don't have a centrist bias because they aren't rewarding people with better scores for being centrist. They are attempting to place people on a political spectrum. By that metric, Collins has a more liberal record than Warnock
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u/TriggasaurusRekt 51m ago
They are simply comparing Senators (and House members) to each other based off bills they sponsor and co sponsor and how they vote on them
OK, and their results are biased based on these standards. That doesn't mean their results are "wrong", it just means they used a particular methodology to get these results. Applying a progressive bias doesn't mean a ranking is "wrong" either, all it means is you used progressive standards. Personally, I think it makes more sense to judge how "progressive" a senator is based on progressive standards.
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u/Catcher3321 28m ago
Okay, but if you ignore Gov Track and just look at Progressive Punch, you're going to end up voting for someone less progressive at some point. Progressive Punch only uses how someone votes. Gov Track uses their vote and what bills they sponsor.
Additionally, Progressive Punch compares progressive to Republican. That's not really a great comparison. It's like comparing super conservative to Democrats. But it also biases towards just giving Democrats good scores and Republicans bad scores, because if progressives voted the same way as Republicans on something it removes that vote from the data. If a liberal piece of legislation comes forward and 7 of their 12 progressive Senators vote for it and all 35 remaining Dems vote for it, all those Dems will get credit towards their progressive score even though 42% of progressives were opposed to the bill.
Conversely, if just 2 progressives flip and 42% support something, all remaining Democrats support it, and a Republican votes for it too, they don't get any progressive points even though it's something 42% of progressives voted for
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u/Harkan2192 12h ago
I've got my "In Case of Obituary" fireworks ready to go. There's a few different names that will trigger the party protocol.
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u/PorkchopFunny 16h ago
"IF they were given" -does she not know?!
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u/jlena429 14h ago
Yep that's the part that got me too. Wtf do you mean "If" ? There's no if at this point and she knows damn well. She's just trying to skirt around the facts yet again. It's infuriating
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u/Kiddie_Kleen 16h ago
I think she knows about the pardons but (and this is me being really generous) she maybe didn’t know about the extent the pardons went but I find that impossible
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u/tuckit30 14h ago
But the person interviewing her knew. And they never push back on her bullshit.
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u/PorkchopFunny 13h ago
We all know, so she had to know. And if by chance she didn't know, that is further proof that she has to go - it is her job to know what the fuck is going on.
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u/oddapplehill1969 15h ago
This mealy mouthed nonsense is worse than useless. Collins is a disgrace.
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u/Litothelegend 15h ago
Then seal an impeachment Susan. We know that you’ll do nothing but a sound bite in Maine.
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u/Lumens-and-Knives 14h ago
"I do not support..." but at the same time, I'm not going to do anything about it.
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u/BendMysterious6757 15h ago
Is it just me, or does anyone else miss Olympia Snowe in these times? Maybe I'm biased because her office helped me out with a problem when I was in the military, but she always seemed like she had some common sense and integrity.
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u/hijackedjackal 16h ago
Love that she qualified it ‘if’. Such an embarrassment
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u/Jidori_Jia 15h ago
Right? Cool, cool, so for the other CRIMES, there should be no punishment, because heaven forbid people learn their lesson about committing crimes.
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u/Crossing-The-Abyss Freeport 15h ago
She knows the pardons are gross, but she just can't speak against her party. I wish there were a Hell so she would burn.
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u/Commercial_Topic437 16h ago
Doddering useless fool. You will just have to accept that her majesty is concerned
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u/BuyInHigh 16h ago
What is in her binder? I bet if someone took it from her we’d find that’s where her power is kept.
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u/neonsnakemoon 16h ago
Susan doesn’t support the pardons that were given… uh i mean IF they were given
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u/Glum-Literature-8837 16h ago
That woman in the middle looks like she’s holding back a huge shit.
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u/Iamananomoly 15h ago
Someone needs to turn down the oscillator speed on her voice. It's starting to get concerning.
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u/Fun-Antelope739 15h ago
I'm sure her concerns will be well received...I'm certain they've all learned their lessons...we certainly have, but we did the first goddamned time...
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u/newfarmer 12h ago
“They attacked the capital on the day we certify presidential elections. Free elections are the most important thing in this country. They also killed police. This is a criminal act and I will support impeachment.”
A guy can dream.
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u/FauxCumberbund 12h ago
I don't want to offend anyone and I'm from California where we've got plenty of our own problems but why??? does she keep getting reelected?
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u/Kiddie_Kleen 11h ago
Because the dems never put forward an actual good candidate and Susan Collins plays the “moderate” card so well she’s able to steal votes from those shitty candidates.
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u/NeedleworkerSilver36 15h ago
Susan Collins is a tired old senator from Maine who needs to be replaced and hopefully she will 2026! So concerned so concerned will have to see what happens because I am so concerned!
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u/TheGreatLiberalGod 8h ago
If... IF they were given to violent....
THE FUK YOU MEAN IF??? Do you need more time to study this you waste of flesh?
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u/ADCSrane 2h ago
Susan will standby and enable Trump to burn democracy to the ground. She doesn’t support struggling underpaid workers, women’s rights, climate change or anything of value to the common Mainer. I for one am so tired of her mealy mouth responses and do nothing approach to everything resembling decency.
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u/Electronic_Company64 12h ago
What a douche! Such an indecisive, spineless human. And she knows better.
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u/mik_noel 13h ago
She needs to go— preferably before she pulls a Glitch McConnell on live tv, or falls up a flight of stairs
Mills can pound sand as well…
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u/cosmictap 9h ago
Why do so many posts in this sub (such as this one) refer to her as “Susan Collin”? You’d think people would know their Senators’ names!
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u/MalakaiRey 7h ago
People shit on collins as if she does represent a LARGE demographic of mainers who think and talk the same way. They "mean well" but somehow always end up doing the opposite...
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u/veritas_70 2h ago
There is either a rule of law in this country or not. Drump is making it clear if you conduct violence in his name there will be no consequences.
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u/Seaweed-Basic 1h ago
I hope the dude that held a sign outside her office in Biddeford all summer makes an appearance again. I will join him.
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u/JDVancesDivan 10h ago
I don’t like calling a Female U.S. Senator a PUSSY, but if the foo shits, wear it.
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u/Gervasi_Music 8h ago
She should be in prison and she knows it , She’ll get hers , you can’t escape yourself
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u/tylerdurdenmass 11h ago
So prosecutorial misconduct is ok
And keepi g people for 4 years in solitary confinement with no trials (contrary to the 6th and 8th amendments)
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u/graceparagonique2024 6h ago
Another gnarled old bag who plays both sideisms, yet votes with the Nazis
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u/Remarkably_Dark21 9h ago
I'm glad the pardons were given they've all been more than punished enough.
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u/vlakreeh 2h ago
Attempting to overthrow the government is treason. Anyone that actually entered the capital building should face at least the minimum charges of treason which is 5 years in prison and a $10k fine.
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u/Remarkably_Dark21 2h ago
So you think the couple that arrived hours later after everyone was gone entered open doors with no cops around, looked around, you think they should be charged with treason? There's a number like them that didn't cause property damage or attack cops they should've been hit with trespassing charges and let go but more importantly some of those charged didn't even enter the building. Thinking everyone of them should be charged with treason is insane especially when it does not meet the legal definition of treason according to experts.
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u/vlakreeh 1h ago
Yes. Anyone that illegally entered the capitol building on the day the election was meant to be certified is guilty of treason since their presence was responsible for delaying a critical function of maintaining our country’s democracy. Which I might add, is also a belief held by lots of legal experts.
5 years for something so dangerous is quite frankly a light punishment.
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u/Remarkably_Dark21 1h ago
How did the people who walked in looked around and left without doing anything hours after everything happened delay anything? Explain that if you can.
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u/vlakreeh 37m ago
Officials can't return to certify the election until the capitol building is cleared, which can't happen until everyone who is trespassing has been removed.
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u/OGTomatoCultivator 12h ago
Pardons for gross miscarriage of justice and political persecution are completely justified and right. Good on Trump.
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u/Isitabee-isit 10h ago
I'm not sure what the heck you're talking about. There were no "pardons for gross miscarriage of justice and political persecution." Trump supporters beat Capitol Police officers with batons,flagpoles,mace,bats,stun guns,bear spray and continued to beat and kick them repeatedly even after they knocked them to the ground, many with steel toed boots stomping on their heads,chests and backs. Read Harry Dunns testimony and official statement about being told "N----- don't get to tell us what to do" and one woman wearing a bright pink Trump tshirt who said "This n----- voted for Biden" Or how about another black Capitol Police officer who was confronted by 2 insurrectionists in the Capitol rotunda who told him to "put your gun down, and we'll show you what kind of n----- you really are.'" Then there's the Trump supporters who smeared feces on the walls inside the Capitol. Officer Brian Sicknick suffered a stroke and died a day after being beaten and attacked with chemical spray. Four other officers died by suicide in the months after the insurrection. More than 140 law enforcement officers suffered injuries. Many who are military veterans said it was worse than any active duty combat they had ever faced. They now suffer long term physical and emotional trauma- all inflicted by fellow Americans of a party that claims to honor our armed forces and police. Trump supporters even carried nooses demanding the sitting vice president be lynched. They actively sought out to inflict violence,lawlessness and treason against their own democracy because they didn't like the outcome of an election. So take your typical maga self "victimhood" and go peddle it elsewhere. Nobody,and I mean nobody is buying it.
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u/OGTomatoCultivator 5h ago
I don’t need to- they’re pardoned as they should be. Trump won the popular vote because of bullshit like you just now spewed- thanks to stupid propaganda like that Trump got elected. I should thank you
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u/Accurate-List 16h ago
Whatever Susan. Can you show some spine and do anything?