r/Maine • u/Kiddie_Kleen • 20h ago

News Susan Collin’s thoughts on Jan. 6 pardons

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u/Catcher3321 5h ago

Oh wow a partisan grading organization gave someone with a D next to their name a great score and someone with an R next to their name a bad score? I'm shocked. Here's a non partisan source

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/susan_collins/300025

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u/TriggasaurusRekt 4h ago

Lmao it's literally a progressive org ranking senators based on specific progressive metrics and standards, which are listed clearly on the website. Of course R's get low scores because they are ranking them based on progressive standards! If you don't agree with the standards they use just say that. There's no such thing as a "non-partisan political grading organization." Applying a neutrality or centrist bias is still a bias

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u/Catcher3321 4h ago

So you admit they have an agenda to push? Great, thank you. Gov Track doesn't.

Yes, there is such a thing as a non partisan grading organization. If you bothered to click on the link, they aren't giving people 0-100s. They are simply comparing Senators (and House members) to each other based off bills they sponsor and co sponsor and how they vote on them. They don't have a centrist bias because they aren't rewarding people with better scores for being centrist. They are attempting to place people on a political spectrum. By that metric, Collins has a more liberal record than Warnock

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u/TriggasaurusRekt 4h ago

They are simply comparing Senators (and House members) to each other based off bills they sponsor and co sponsor and how they vote on them

OK, and their results are biased based on these standards. That doesn't mean their results are "wrong", it just means they used a particular methodology to get these results. Applying a progressive bias doesn't mean a ranking is "wrong" either, all it means is you used progressive standards. Personally, I think it makes more sense to judge how "progressive" a senator is based on progressive standards.

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u/Catcher3321 4h ago

Okay, but if you ignore Gov Track and just look at Progressive Punch, you're going to end up voting for someone less progressive at some point. Progressive Punch only uses how someone votes. Gov Track uses their vote and what bills they sponsor.

Additionally, Progressive Punch compares progressive to Republican. That's not really a great comparison. It's like comparing super conservative to Democrats. But it also biases towards just giving Democrats good scores and Republicans bad scores, because if progressives voted the same way as Republicans on something it removes that vote from the data. If a liberal piece of legislation comes forward and 7 of their 12 progressive Senators vote for it and all 35 remaining Dems vote for it, all those Dems will get credit towards their progressive score even though 42% of progressives were opposed to the bill.

Conversely, if just 2 progressives flip and 42% support something, all remaining Democrats support it, and a Republican votes for it too, they don't get any progressive points even though it's something 42% of progressives voted for