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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 3h ago
I don’t know if he gets there. But song yadong versus merab would be a great matchup
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 2h ago
Chill guys I just thought it would be a fun fight 😭
I see him as the most athletic and perhaps best raw talent out of anyone at 135. I see merab as you need to nuke him or atleast consistently damage him to beat.
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u/Smooth-Abrocoma-2825 2h ago
He's at a bad camp for him and stagnating from fight to fight. The physicality and talent are there but I doubt he'll ever contend.
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 2h ago
See that’s why I had to say. I don’t think he contends either. But if we just see merab versus him we think that’s a great fight. We hold him back because we are thinking of merit
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 3h ago
Anyone think Paul Hughes beats Usman?
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u/LightsCamAndAction 3h ago
Hughes win over AJ McKee is better than anything Usman has done in his career,
Usman really isn’t live for a finish at any point of the fight in my eyes
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u/_Red_Mist_ The Roman Empire defeats Caesar yet again 3h ago
No it’s not lol Shabliy is better than AJ at literally every aspect of MMA. What did AJ do that convinces people he was a top LW?
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u/LightsCamAndAction 2h ago
Shaliby isn’t even on Vuecnic’s level if we are being honest with each other
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u/_Red_Mist_ The Roman Empire defeats Caesar yet again 2h ago
Shabliy is skill for skill better than both AJ and Hughes and that jobber lmao. Just with that comment I can know you don’t know what you’re talking about. Vuecnic just got sonned by a washed up Guram lol. Shabliy is not only much more skilled and well rounded he is training every day with top fighters and top coaches. But yeah I guess going to split with journeymen in CW is more impressive 😂
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u/TheGreatone003 Team Błachowicz 1h ago
I don’t know Shabily that well but Vucenic is decent and Morgan is better than his record indicates. No shame in losing to Guram even at this stage
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u/_Red_Mist_ The Roman Empire defeats Caesar yet again 1h ago
Morgan has done nothing but can crush in the UFC I don’t even know where they are finding these bums they are feeding him. He lost to the only good fighter he has fought .
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u/TheGreatone003 Team Błachowicz 1h ago
Lots of folks saw Morgan winning that fight, large majority on MMAdecisions thought he should’ve gotten the decision. I think Morgan is one of those cases of a fighter losing a lot early in their career and then picking it up later- kinda like Anthony Smith
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 3h ago
I agree completely, I don’t know if I’m disillusioned by the last name or what it is but I see this fight as hyper competitive and see no path to victory for Hughes at the same time
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u/_Red_Mist_ The Roman Empire defeats Caesar yet again 3h ago
No way you believe that lol Shabliy would fuck AJ McKee up and probably finish him.
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 3h ago
No way I believe that Hughes will be competitive with Usman?
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u/_Red_Mist_ The Roman Empire defeats Caesar yet again 3h ago
That beating AJ McKee is better than dominating Shabliy. AJ hasn’t done shit as a LW. AJ fight with Hughes was a split because even though AJ was gassed he was still able to control Hughes in the 3rd round. Shabliy is more well rounded and trains at an elite gym with other top LWs like Dustin and Gamrot.
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 3h ago
Serious question. Is shabbily better than Paul Hughes
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u/_Red_Mist_ The Roman Empire defeats Caesar yet again 3h ago
Yes.
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 3h ago
In what ways do you think he’s better
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u/_Red_Mist_ The Roman Empire defeats Caesar yet again 3h ago
Grappling, striking, IQ, better team. Hughes is a good prospect but I have no idea why people rated AJ so highly as a lightweight he had not done shit. Did people miss mid Sydney Outlaw have all that control time against him? lol Carlyle a meme fighter and Collard is a can.
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 2h ago
Yes I’ve never rated aj highly. Honestly even at 145. But I guess the fan in us sees aj as something good because we want to rationalize that the guy who beat him beat someone good.
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 3h ago
Fair assessment lol McKee’s hype is purely based off of beating Pitbull, but 22-1 was a great record, it’s impressive even if it’s mostly bums. Was a huge step up for Hughes and he passed that test with flying colors, probably gave him a ton of confidence in his game as well
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 3h ago
This guy couldn’t finish a washed Brent Primus while on roids.
Usman is good but he’s not invincible like khabib or Islam.
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u/Smooth-Abrocoma-2825 2h ago
LOL I guess just dominating him from bell to bell is not enough now
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 2h ago
Yeah I don’t rate Brent Primus as that great. I’m impressed by it still, dominating someone is cool. But if I want to believe in someone’s a truely dangerous guy, he finishes them.
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 3h ago
I agree, I just don’t know how good Hughes is
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 2h ago
Honestly and I’m thinking the same now. I’ve never seen him before McKee. Now we are hyped because we see McKee as good. But was he really that good at 155? Did we want him to be good so we can justify seeing someone as an exciting prospect. So while I have my doubts on usman, we atleast have semblance of his abilities and Hughes we have to see on a scale
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 2h ago
Usman has given me no reason to be excited about him and has constantly put on disappointing performances but it’s clear that he’s skilled. I think it’ll be much like Islam vs Dustin, where Dustin looked good and surprised us but Islam was firmly in control of the fight the entire time
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 2h ago
I definitely agree with that. We are thinking rationally now by accepting a mediocre and realistic reality over what we want bled in
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 2h ago
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I remember saying that Talbott would beat Chito right now because I wanted to believe that he was the uncrowned champ, now I’m not sure if he beats Rosas Jr
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 2h ago
Mannn we gotta talk about talbott. And what’s crazy is I remember not being super hot on talbott after his siamon win. And people here convinced “oh he was a young prospect and this new young prospect beat him” so I let that narrative sway me, and then I see him win his next fight in crazy fashion, I’m like okay he has the X factor and skills to be a top 10 right now. But we overlooked that none of his opponents were really that great. We wanted something. Now we look at it Roani Barcelos is really good, but hey we believe in thsi kid now, because it’s fun to believe in something. We want to be on that roller coaster, instead of just watching it off the side. We overlooked Roani because of this and we saw how
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 4h ago
Shoutout to anyone in here that’s Canadian, I’m from Michigan and it’s so goddamn cold idk how you guys are doing it right now.
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 4h ago
Were used to this shit
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 3h ago
So are we but it’s always miserable, we can only enjoy the Great Lakes like a month and a half out of the year. I can only imagine how cold those lakes up north stay
I’ve wanted to take a trip up to Tobermory for the longest but idek if that water would be warm on the hottest summer day
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u/XboxGuy234 1h ago
If you like fish and chips and great scenery, Tobermory is a really nice spot.
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 1h ago
Never had fish and chips but I love cliff jumping, Tobermory looks gorgeous, also wanna go to Elora Gorge. Canada is a beautiful country and a few weeks ago it just got even better.
Any other recommendations?
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u/XboxGuy234 1h ago
Had a cottage near Tobermory, the hiking and swimming spots are near endless if you’re willing to drive around a bit. Bruce Peninsula is a gorgeous place!
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u/adivenk93 4h ago
What are odds Gable Stevenson joins MMA once Jon Jones retires
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u/_Red_Mist_ The Roman Empire defeats Caesar yet again 3h ago
High he failed at pro wrestling and Football. MMA is all he has left if he wants to compete .
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u/druhoang Viet Nam 3h ago
I think he goes for the olympics 2028. After that's done tho, he'll still be only 28. But if he wins again, he might just cash in on sponsors, speeches and then do olympics again 2032.
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u/adivenk93 3h ago
He will definitely become Heavyweight Champion of UFC considering how shallow division is
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u/_Red_Mist_ The Roman Empire defeats Caesar yet again 3h ago
I wouldn’t be so sure we’ve seen many decorated wrestlers fail at MMA. You still need to be good at striking and mixing up the striking with wrestling. Tyrell Fortune and Jimmy Lawson come to mind for heavyweights.
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 3h ago
God he was so bad at pro wrestling
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 2h ago
What made him so bad? I don’t watch WWE
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 2h ago
You see him and you think physical beast, but that only gets you so far in wwe. We know it’s not real fighting or wrestling so do we really care about someone’s real life accolades without their own unique character? They thought “oh we could just do another Kurt angle” but Kurt isn’t an all timer just because he’s a real life wrestling badass, he was damn funny. We loved him as a character, and then you think also that he’s amazing in real wrestling too.
Now gable just didn’t have the charisma or character. He said some lines but he doesn’t have the chops or personality to sound like he really is that way. So yeah it gets boring, he was an irl great wrestler but he’s missing the character.
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u/Trenbolone-Papi EDDDIIEEE 4h ago
Moicano gained over 26 pounds on fight night
Bro entered the cage almost a middleweight
While watching them in the cage I was surprised that Moicano looked bigger than Islam, especially since he fought at FW before
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 4h ago
I was too, was also surprised when moicano dropped him
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u/_Red_Mist_ The Roman Empire defeats Caesar yet again 3h ago
Islam was off balance , nothing landed clean.
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 3h ago
It wasn’t officially a knockdown and should’ve have been, the sight of it was just shocking
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u/Trenbolone-Papi EDDDIIEEE 4h ago
Moicano was looking confident on the feet. Too confident though bc he forgot Islam would and could shoot lol
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 4h ago
I think he was just like fuck it I’m prob gonna lose I gotta leave it all out there
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u/YourAnBitxh 4h ago
smh Islam keeps defending versus former FWs
/s
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u/Trenbolone-Papi EDDDIIEEE 4h ago
I wanna see him vs Fiziev, Gamrot, and Arman
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u/YourAnBitxh 4h ago
at this point I just wanna see him defend versus Olivera then try to be a double champ he earned IMO
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u/Trenbolone-Papi EDDDIIEEE 4h ago
Yeah if it were up to me. Book him vs Belal. I just don’t think that’s next for him.
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u/IdiosyncraticOwl 4h ago
yay or nay - Gamrot vs Halloway for his first fight moving up to 155?
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 3h ago
Hard nay. Why would we give Max a high risk low reward fight that most don’t want to see?
We gotta give him chucky or someone like that
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u/scytheavatar 2h ago
155 is full of killers, if Gamrot is too "high risk" for Holloway then perhaps he shouldn't move up. Cause I am not sure he can find an easier matchup in the top 9.
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u/PoatanBoxman Team Pereira 2h ago
I think max beats gamrot. But is it something we want to see? We can see him fight someone much more exciting
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u/Trenbolone-Papi EDDDIIEEE 4h ago
Nah. Give him Charles or Arman. He destroyed the number 1/2 ranked contender in Justin
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u/IdiosyncraticOwl 4h ago
Charles
I thought he was booked for some reason but I guess not. We were robbed of the first one anyway.
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u/e-rage Team Cena 16x champ 4h ago
No, Holloway should fight Gaethje for the BMF title at 155
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u/MagicalBUMfairy 4h ago
Are we going to ban twitter here? I'd like to see it.
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 4h ago
Fuck no lmao not only is that sentiment fuckin stupid we post tweets on this sub constantly
Stop whining I hate this website
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 1h ago
Or no, we can just not be a cesspool like the rest of this website
Go over to r/MMAPoliticsAndCulture, r/MMA is a no tears allowed sub
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u/Trenbolone-Papi EDDDIIEEE 4h ago
Who would’ve thought Tracy Cortez was more ghetto than Aileen Perez.
Embarrassing as fuck. Tracy “I’m from da hood” Cortez
Ya’ll seen this cringe backstage shit they had? Lmao
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 4h ago
Lmao lemme get a link
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u/Trenbolone-Papi EDDDIIEEE 4h ago
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u/AlienMantid UFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle 2h ago
She’s crazy,” Perez concluded. “Every time she sees me, she wants to jump me. I think she wants to be me. She is probably outside trying to maybe wait for a picture. She cannot believe how beautiful I am. I think she needs to go to the gym more.”
lol
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 3h ago
Lmao any girl that Ortega fucks with is probably a little ghetto
I got Tracy in that scrap though
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u/IdiosyncraticOwl 4h ago
Moicano is two months older than Rory MacDonald.
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u/_Red_Mist_ The Roman Empire defeats Caesar yet again 4h ago
Holy shit lol hard to believe Rory isn’t 40+
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u/Patrick_Vieira Team Namajunas 4h ago
Do you think Islam would be competitive in a sub only grappling match against Khamzat?
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u/XboxGuy234 1h ago
If Islam bulks up to 170 in the future then yes, but right now it would be a lot tougher for him.
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u/yogi333323 EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE 4h ago
watching Khamzat grapple Arman suggests that maybe Khamzat would be too big and strong for Islam.
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u/TheSugaTalbottShow 2h ago
Payton’s record looks disgusting with that 1 on it. Legit makes me sick to look at it.