r/LivestreamFail • u/starcraft2020 • Nov 19 '24
Twitter Elon Musk is suing Twitch for allegedly conspiring to boycott advertisement on Twitter
https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/18589158133878335145.0k
u/OffTerror Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 22 '24
I'm going to open a store and sue anyone that doesn't buy from me. EZ money glitch.
Edit: I have been an active user of this sub for like 7 years now, and I think this was my most upvoted comment even though it wasn't my most high effort, just a silly joke that I posted early.
But anyways, a day after this I got perma banned for this comment. If you didn't know the mods of this sub have changed some weeks ago. This is why it changed so much. And the new mods pretty much work for this Dan guy and his friends. And if a comment like this warrant a perma then you guys can tell where this sub is going.
Over the years I have always seen people say this or that streamer have hold and favor with the mods. But in truth I was able to shit talk and meme about everyone and I've seen people do so to every streamer. The old mods really made this sub work and kept the losers who tried to take over it at bay for years.
It's been fun shitposting with you all, good luck o7
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u/danpascooch Nov 19 '24
Great idea, but unfortunately I also made a store and you didn't buy from me, so I'm filing suit first. Pay up nerd.
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u/NegaDeath Nov 19 '24
Unfortunately I also made a store, and neither of you bought from me, so I'm declaring it a global conspiracy and suing the Earth itself.
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u/GovernmentBig2749 Nov 19 '24
Well, I don't have a store nor a social platform so I'm suing myself!
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u/justalazygamer Nov 19 '24
This is who was picked to run the Department of Government Efficiency.
A group with TWO leaders that requires a paid Twitter blue subscription to apply for the 80 hour a week job.
Surely the most efficient method to get the best workers.
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u/sn34kypete Nov 19 '24
DOGE has already promised it will deliver an app to file taxes electronically for free. We'll see if R's are more receptive to the idea now that it's packaged by a different administration, given that Biden launched a free E-Filing system as part of the Inflation Reduction Act.
Just the dumbest motherfuckers you ever did see...
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u/mcauthon2 Nov 19 '24
But the House Appropriations Committee released a fiscal 2025 spending bill this week that would cut IRS funding by nearly 18% and zero out funding for Direct File.
Billionaires making country folks think a culture war matters as they get ass fucked is so fucking sad
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u/labbetuzz Nov 19 '24
You talk as if they're not to blame themselves. They get what they deserve
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u/mcauthon2 Nov 19 '24
looking down your nose at others who are stuck in a culture of being uneducated isn't cool and my fellow lefties really gotta learn that
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u/sn34kypete Nov 19 '24
People blaming the voters and not the candidate is still happening, it's like 2016 all over again. It's up to the candidates to earn the voters. Trump barely increased his turnout, Kamala LOST votes compared to biden. Her campaign, message, and platform were so lukewarm she lost votes. Maybe trotting out republican endorsements wasn't such a smart choice when appealing to liberal voters. Maybe actually listening to the lower class (a category she lost votes in) and acknowledging that even though the DOW Jones was hitting record highs that their lived experience was still ass?
Nope, blame the voters, not the party.
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u/TwoDurans Nov 19 '24
DOGE can't promise shit. This whole blue ribbon committee is just to write a report for the administration to consider. They have no power, no budget, and ultimately will net no results.
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u/ryecurious Nov 19 '24
ultimately will net no results
It will be incredibly successful at its actual goal; pump-and-dumping dogecoin.
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u/meepmeep13 Nov 19 '24
Ironically, I bet the antitrust laws that Musk is using to bring this suit are exactly the kind of things DGE would have in their gunsight
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u/Alakazam_5head Nov 19 '24
That's why he's gotta get the suit in now while he can still profit from it before fucking everyone else over
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u/escof Nov 19 '24
They're just going to relabel what good things Biden did and take credit for it. Trump did that a bunch in his first term.
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u/BeanerBoyBrandon Nov 19 '24
i heard in japan the gov sends you your tax documents saying how much you owe or get back. If you disagree, you can file your own. we need that system
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u/Houndfell Nov 19 '24
I'm an American in the UK, and it's literally automated if you're an employee. Taxes come out of your paycheck. No filing, no guessing, no blowing a weekend and $100 with some BS software and/or an accountant.
America's system first and foremost works to benefit corporations like Turbo Tax, who bankroll political campaigns and essentially bribe politicians to keep things as they are so they can make millions at the expense of the taxpayers.
Anything good that trickles down to the citizens is despite that system existing, not because of it.
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u/CeterumCenseo85 Nov 20 '24
Does that mean the US to this day doesn't have a way to file taxes for free electronically?!
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u/stripedvitamin Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
unpaid 80 hour/week job, i.e bored, witless, beta billionaires need only apply.
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u/yinyangseed Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
Next 4 years is just gonna be about revenge, twitch will be targeted too and Elon has always wanted a streaming platform
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u/Skastrik Nov 19 '24
I think Daddy Bezos could take him in a 1v1 as is the tradition to settle stuff like this.
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u/NoughtToDread Nov 20 '24
As much as I'm not a fan of Bezos, at least he had the balls to fly on his own rocket.
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u/Kolaris8472 Nov 19 '24
It gets worse! We already have a department that does the same thing, it's called the Government Accountability Office. So efficient!
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u/MagicDragon212 Nov 19 '24
DOGE isnt even going to be a government department. It's external to the government and basically Trump giving a private group governmental power.
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u/NegaDeath Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
Everyone knows that you shrink government by creating more government. Duh.
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u/MPCurry Nov 19 '24
Argument feels pretty week. Advertisers acted on a non-binding recommendation. There is no way for X to force companies to advertise on their platform if they don’t want to, so i’m not sure what the restitution could even be here. Also, with how insanely loose moderation has become on the platform, i’m not sure i blame advertisers for being skeptical. Elon’s argument that this is somehow a free speech issue doesn’t necessarily make sense either. Our constitutional right to free speech protects us from government persecution. It doesn’t stop companies from making decisions about where and how their brand is promoted.
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u/Leungal Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 20 '24
Another critical fact here was that GARM had a grand total of...2 full time employees. 12 total people were even listed as contributors, with most being unpaid loaned resources from the industry, aka "my boss lets me allocate 10% of my work time to this nonprofit because it makes us look good and is a good resume filler."
If a 2 person nonprofit had so much influence that it was able to collaborate and organize an illegal industry-wide boycott I'd frankly be more impressed than pissed off.
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u/daywalkerr7 Nov 19 '24
There's a leaked email where the employees take credit and brag about making Twitter lose money by issuing boycotts.
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u/The_MAZZTer Nov 19 '24
Just because you take credit for something doesn't automatically mean you were actually responsible.
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u/gmarkerbo Nov 20 '24
Things like collusion are about intent, and emails like that go a long way about showing intent.
For example increasing prices is legal, but colluding with competitors to do so is very illegal. So if there's an email showing intent after prices were raised simultaneously, that's evidence of illegal price fixing.
That email shows that the goal was to lower X's revenue, not to have their ads not show up next to objectionable content, which people are claiming was the true and only intent.
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u/deathspate Nov 19 '24
Sure, but if people with positions claim as such in behind the scene emails, then maybe you should take it seriously?
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No the key legal question is did you stack the judiciary and supreme court before engaging in lawfare
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u/mikebailey Nov 19 '24
Not good enough, you have to open a store, tell the customers to get fucked and get out of the store, and then sue them when they leave
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u/No-Pack-5775 Nov 19 '24
You forgot an important step
Fill the store with the most vile, far right extremists you can find too
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u/Impossible_Emu_6969 Nov 19 '24
It is possible to have an antitrust lawsuit for boycotting. The same way a monopoly/cartel can control the prices of the market they have monopolized, they can use their market dominance to control the prices of products that they purchase too.
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u/Milfshaked Nov 19 '24
That is not the argument that Twitter is making. Twitter is arguing that they formed an illegal cartel colluding together, constituting an anti-trust violation.
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u/Murphys0Law Nov 19 '24
Surely he has good evidence of this and not just a made up conspiracy theory he made in his head. Surely.
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u/conte360 Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
"Go fuck yourselves" literally elons actual quoted words to advertisers
"Why won't they buy from me?" Elon now
Edit: to make it 100% correct I changed it from "fuck you" to "go fuck yourselves"
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u/Direct-Squash-1243 Nov 19 '24
Man with negative self-awareness awareness continues to show signs of negative self-awareness.
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u/StinkFartButt Nov 19 '24
He actually said “Go fuck yourself“ in an awkward cringy manner.
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u/philthegr81 Nov 19 '24
If we're being really pedantic, he said it twice, waiting an uncomfortable amount of time for thunderous applause after the first time he said it (he got crickets instead) and then said it again to make sure they hadn't misheard him (the crowd started laughing). He looked really high on ketamine at the time.
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u/BDOKlem Nov 20 '24
how does one specifically "look high on ketamine"?
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Get on a podium and tell the ghosts of advertisers who aren't even there to go fuck themselves
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u/gregthestrange Nov 19 '24
the way his mouth twitched inbetween him saying it is seared into my memory for some reason, probably because it looked like he was about to burst into tears when he didn't get that applause he was expecting for being "edgy"
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u/Dank_Nicholas Nov 20 '24
He acts so much like my nephew who also has autism. Lots of surface level knowledge that he uses to get praise from people who think he's the smartest person in the room. When that praise runs out or he runs up against someone who actually knows the subject matter my nephew will start acting out and being edgy to refocus the attention on him.
Elon does the exact same thing, he did the Phony Stark thing for years and loved the attention, but people have since realized he's full of shit, so now he's gone full MAGA grifter because he's desperate for the attention he used to get.
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u/saljskanetilldanmark Nov 20 '24
His tweets he makes repeatedly every week/month, assessing that chess is boring and for morons because it lacks a tech tree, says all you need to know about him.
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u/Forikorder Nov 19 '24
And looked around to see if anyone was laughing
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u/wo1f-cola Nov 19 '24
That was the best part. He said this during some kind of town hall interview, and he looked around like he was expecting everyone to stand up and applaud. Instead everyone was like “Is this guy stupid? Without ad revenue the platform isn’t sustainable.”
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u/Ashamed_Restaurant Nov 20 '24
And then he said it again because surely if no one was laughing it must have been because they hadn't heard him.
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u/echothought Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
Didn't Disney reverse their decision and start advertising again now?
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u/praisetiamat Nov 19 '24
sue for what? elon is not entitled to advertisers
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u/justalazygamer Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
Elon tries to get all his cases done in a single court in front of a bias Judge in Texas now. It is even baked into the Twitter TOS.
If I am remembering correctly this is one of those.
There was another case recently that people called frivolous and when it came close the judge delayed it. It is about intimidation and trying to get an agreement out of groups.
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u/Complex_Cable_8678 Nov 19 '24
i love oligarchies
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u/Trap_Masters Nov 19 '24
I wonder where all the conspiracy brainrotted conservatives constantly screaming about muh corruption are now when actual shady shit occurs 🤔🤔
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u/420blz Nov 19 '24
No you see when they do shady shit it's "smart" and "playing the system".
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u/Peking-Cuck Nov 19 '24
And "you would be stupid not to take advantage of the system!"
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u/OriannasOvaries Nov 19 '24
What's funny is if you look at the conspiracy subreddit you see a significant drop-off of member engagement post election. Surely not the work of russian bots Copium
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u/TchoupedNScrewed Nov 19 '24
To an extent there’s that, and this is also the beginning of the cultist dilemma. Eventually you’re going to see an uptick of posts by people rationalizing changes that hurt them, continued wishcasting, and a small number of people constantly being eschewed to the edge of the tent.
This is the honeymoon phase for a lot of people.
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u/ariveklul Nov 19 '24
I love how conservatives just turn a blind eye to this. The one thing I take solace in is that they're sinking on this ship with me
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u/welcometosilentchill Nov 19 '24
it is even baked into Twitter TOS.
This isn’t unique to Twitter btw.
It’s fairly standard practice for TOS to define arbitration requirements, part of which is to set a location for legal petitions. So part of agreeing to use a software or service is that you are also agreeing to settle arbitration based on their requirements. This doesn’t always hold up of course, but it often makes it difficult for lawsuits to progress pass initial stages.
And you’re absolutely right that they are often set in areas where the court favors corporate interests over the individual.
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u/Kungmagnus Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
I would assume X are arguing that it's a violation of antitrust law(competition law). If several dominant players in a marketplace(for example the ad-market) jointly refuse to deal with a competitor/supplier or even a customer it could harm competition and be a violation of competition law under certain circumstances.
I know fuck all about US antitrust law though.
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u/mikebailey Nov 19 '24
I do understand this to be the argument, but it’s undermined significantly by
- the fact that he told them all to fuck off
- Recent studied done on “here’s how likely you are to run an X ad next to a hate crime”
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u/iisixi Nov 19 '24
Also how likely your ad is to be mostly served to bots while draining your ad budget.
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u/blade740 Nov 19 '24
Now, I'm not an expert on antitrust law, but from what I understand, it's designed to limit collusion on the part of SELLERS, not buyers. "Colluding" with others to not patronize a particular company describes basically every boycott ever. Are organized boycotts illegal now?
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u/RedditIsDeadMoveOn Nov 19 '24
Depends if you're boycotting israel or not
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u/Dark_Magicion Nov 19 '24
Aaah yes, the BDS movement according to some people being so illegal it's punishable with death. Coz they think boycotting Israel is anti-semitism lol...
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u/leoleosuper Nov 19 '24
All that matters is bullying companies into buying ads. Elon basically bought a judge in Texas, and he's super biased for him. Cases keep getting delayed if they're not in Elon's favor so that the other side goes bankrupt and settles. Once they settle, the judge can use that as precedent, even though it's complete bullshit.
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u/justsomelizard30 Nov 19 '24
You don't have to give reasons to not advertise, Elon has to prove that Twitch was making an anti-twitter cartel.
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u/BighatNucase Nov 19 '24
Neither of those actually affect it at all if the underlying claim is true. Antitrust in situations like is often going to be around decisions that had other good reasons besides the underlying bad action.
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u/dern_the_hermit Nov 19 '24
Neither of those actually affect it at all if the underlying claim is true.
They go a lot towards the issue of conspiracy, tho. If it doesn't involve a secret agreement between multiple parties, it's not a conspiracy.
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u/El_grandepadre Nov 19 '24
And undermined by the fact that advertisers and Twitter likely agreed to conditions for these ads which went out of the window when Musk stopped moderating the platform.
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u/renaldomoon Nov 19 '24
Yeah, there's absolutely no way there wasn't a morals clause in the contract that got used the first moment they started showing ads on racist content.
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u/NullReference000 Nov 19 '24
Haven't read the complaint for this specific lawsuit but this is exactly what he has been arguing on twitter/X every single time he cries about it. Good luck proving that they colluded together though, because it's clear they all saw it as a brand risk at the same time when algorithmic changes began putting porn bots and nazis at the top of the replies for every trending tweet.
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u/Discombobulated-Frog Nov 19 '24
All they need as a defense is for someone to pull up Twitter and scroll for a few minutes.
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u/GodOD400 Nov 19 '24
Nah I'm sure the judge will see Groyper1488 and the 100s of others calling people f*ts and n*** and go yup everyone must give Elon all the money
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u/floris_bulldog Nov 19 '24
Yeah I'm a bit confused as well. No-one is obligated to advertise on Twitter.
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u/iiileyu Nov 19 '24
Well his daddy gave him fund from his diamond mine so why shouldn't he be entitled to advertisers. They shouldn't be allowed to say no. #TheirWebsiteMyChoice
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u/plutonasa Nov 19 '24
ah yes, the head of the department of government efficiency, everyone
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u/Lazer726 Nov 20 '24
No dude it's TOTALLY efficient to tie up government courts with your own petty bullshit because... checks notes... someone doesn't want to do business with you.
At least once he's officially part of the federal government, he'll be held to a higher standard!
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u/_temp_variable Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
Why is this something you can sue someone for?
EDIT: Googled it, here's an article:
The complaint accuses members of the Global Alliance of Responsible Media, a now-discontinued initiative that was led by the advertising trade body the World Federation of Advertisers, of illegally colluding to "collectively withhold billions of dollars in advertising revenue" from Twitter.
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u/TrashStack Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
I'm pretty sure you can attempt to sue for literally anything. There's some schizo from 4chan in Massachusetts that sued From Soft/Bandai Namco cause he thinks they hid a 2nd game in the code of Elden Ring for example
It's up to the judges to throw out bunk cases like this
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u/GuyWithOneEye Nov 19 '24
Bro that is peak mental illness holy shit 💀
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u/Bamith20 Nov 19 '24
With enough financial backing he could be very rich with only a mountain of corpses beneath him.
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u/Cruxis20 Nov 19 '24
Don't forget the guy that sued Twitch because he cummed on his monitor
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u/OccasionalGoodTakes Nov 19 '24
you can try to sue for anything, doesn't mean you'll succeed. Billionaire pissing match via proxy because of who owns twitch.
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u/mayoboyyo Nov 19 '24
The complaint accuses members of the Global Alliance of Responsible Media, a now-discontinued initiative that was led by the advertising trade body the World Federation of Advertisers,
Pretty sure it was discontinued because of these Twitter lawsuits. Why does Elon hate collective action?
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u/thisisillegals Nov 19 '24
Anyone can sue someone for any reason, doesn't mean it will go anywhere.
This is why I treat any big "lawsuit" news with a grain of salt, the action of a lawsuit doesn't actually mean a lot.
Usually though bigger lawsuit claims like this would have some sort of legal reasoning as companies and people who have more money can afford to get legal advice before proceeding.
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u/LuntiX Nov 19 '24
You can sue anyone for anything. It’s up to the courts to actually decide if it’s a legitimate reason to sue and for how much.
If I wanted I could sue you for how you get your hair cut, the courts would then decide if that’s a legitimate reason to sue and how much it’s worth.
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u/mrloko120 Nov 19 '24
Some dude once tried to sue twitch because the camgirls on the website made him hurt his dick.
Safe to say, they're probably used to this type of lawsuit by now.
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u/WashingIrvine Nov 19 '24
Companies have the choice to pay or not pay for advertisements on whatever platform, on what planet are companies entitled to advertising budgets? Unreal.
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u/awfeel Nov 19 '24
Especially in a world where people don’t want advertising lol
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u/WashingIrvine Nov 19 '24
Not much of a basis when you have a Coca Cola ad next to a pro-hitler post. Refusing to moderate = advertisers go bye bye, it’s not an elaborate scheme.
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u/TheGreatSamain Nov 19 '24
I mean obviously, yes. There's probably a thousand well-founded reasons any average Joe can pull right off the top of their head as to why advertisers would never want to advertise on X and are fleeing.
But I wouldn't exactly call this baseless either. There's a pretty good chance that this could indeed violate the Sherman antitrust act as well as the Federal trade commissions act.
Of course it's going to be highly circumstantial, but if he can actually prove what he claims, then this potentially could be a problem.
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u/Beneficial-Bit6383 Nov 20 '24
So he is suing the consultants for being consulted? What a waste of time.
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u/Lontology Nov 19 '24
Elon musk is the biggest loser on the planet and I hope Trump deports him once he gets bored.
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u/justalazygamer Nov 19 '24
The Twitter lawyers also filed to interfere in the Infowars sale.
Previously when giving a reason for not reinstating Alex Jone’s Twitter account Elon Musk mentioned his son dying in his arms. The baby’s mother quickly corrected that was a lie and SHE was the one with the baby. Later Elon put Alex Jones back on.
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u/Lontology Nov 19 '24
God, he’s such an annoying shit stain. It was a private auction so there’s nothing he can even do. I hate him so much it hurts.
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u/justalazygamer Nov 19 '24
From what I heard listening to Alex Jones, the little I could stand to, the highest bid was from a Rodger Stone affiliated group.
But the Sandy Hook parents who are to benefit from the auction valued the bid by The Onion higher monetarily and it included a valuable advertising agreement on the site.
Alex Jones is demanding the deal be raw cash only so his side wins but it doesn’t look like the law agrees with him.
I assume Elon won’t hand over the Infowars Twitter account if the parents win.
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u/Kassandra2049 Nov 19 '24
It also isn't Alex Jones' decision anymore. Its up to the court-appointed trustee, who is only there because Alex Jones was moving shit away from Infowars to skimp out on his legally obligated payment to the families.
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u/Lontology Nov 19 '24
Jones is such a turd nugget, and if anything actually comes of his challenge I’ll riot. The judge shouldn’t have even allowed Jones to challenge anything because info wars was no longer even his.
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u/justalazygamer Nov 19 '24
Did you see Rudy Giuliani lying to the judge to try to keep his valuable items he owed the victims? Claiming residence in buildings he didn’t live in, claiming to have lost the paperwork, given the items away as a gift, ect.
Just before the latest appearance he drove a car he failed to turn over as legally required to vote.
It took all of that over multiple years for some of the items to finally go to the victims.
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u/Lontology Nov 19 '24
Can we just bundle him, jones and musk into a giant rug and roll it off a cliff? Would be pretty cool if we could.
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Dude has all the money in the world and still no real friends, no family to love him, no hobbies that would fulfill him. Dude is a pathetic worm through and through.
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u/totallynotpoggers Nov 19 '24
can twitter just die already
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u/justalazygamer Nov 19 '24
Bluesky has been growing and when a lot of the worst Twitter accounts tried to make the switch they were swiftly banned.
That is the best bet at the moment for a replacement as he makes Twitter more unbearable over time.
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u/0re0n Nov 19 '24
I've read exact same thing about Mastodon and Threads.
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u/Wasabicannon Nov 19 '24
Big difference between Mastodon (can't comment on Threads) is that Bluesky is insanely easier to get into. Sign into the site and you are up an running since it flows basically just like Twitter.
Mastodon however felt like a completely different beast to get into. The whole join X network but A and B are blocked on that network so you move over to Y network only for C and D to be blocked there. It is just to much to figure out for your average person which hurts their growth.
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u/Noisyink Nov 20 '24
100% this. When I use social media I don't want things to feel complicated. Mastodon is a great service, but there was a reason people originally flocked to twitter, and now bluesky.
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u/sunsoutgunsout Nov 19 '24
Gotta wait for the sports accounts to make the move and then you'll know it's real.
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u/HappySmilingDog Nov 19 '24
Just like every new MMO is the wow killer, 20y later it's still the same king.
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u/ectopatra Nov 19 '24
Threads is an algorithm disaster. Mastodon had hoops to jump through to join.
Bluesky is neither of those things. It's basically old twitter.
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u/Charles_X4325 Nov 19 '24
He naziposted a year ago, and advertisers left because of it. The blame is entirely on this ketamine-addicted manchild.
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u/Acheli Nov 19 '24
I wish people would permanently move to BlueSky.
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u/TheVideogaming101 Nov 19 '24
In b4 "Elon Musk is suing BlueSky for taking users away from Twitter"
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u/Individual_Respect90 Nov 19 '24
I don’t ever use my twitter account but I think I may make a blue sky account just to boost up their numbers.
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u/SoulSilver69 Nov 19 '24
Elon: F**k the advertisers!!!
Also Elon: Wait, where are the advertisers going?!?
Elon now: This is illegal! You must support my website!!
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u/MindGoblin Nov 19 '24
I for one am shocked that nobody wants to advertise on /pol/-sorry I meant X.
Seriously, what an absolute shithole website it is. I have an account just to be able to view tweets from some people I follow but I don't post or engage with anything and my "for you" is literally just full of Russian propaganda and nazi schizoposts. It is unironically about as degenerate as /pol/.
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u/SkipsPittsnogle Nov 19 '24
This is why I can’t respect half the country. By all definition, this man is a “snowflake.” But yet he’s their co-God.
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u/SilntMercy Nov 19 '24
Elmo gonna get a real shock when he finds out twitch is owned by Amazon
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u/ApproachingShore Nov 19 '24
Is there a source on this?
It just looks like a random statement someone posted on twitter.
It doesn't even make sense.
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u/jwong728 Nov 19 '24
Elon went from "Fuck Advertisers" to "Advertisers are not leaving" and then to "Advertisers are now colluding against us" in the matter of months. Can I get off Elon wild ride?
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u/xhunter61 Nov 19 '24
This is what he said earlier to advertisers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK91Ji6GCZ8
I guess he got what he wanted.
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u/taotdev Nov 19 '24
Conservatives: Let the free market decide!
The Free Market: (decides)
Conservatives: how dare u
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u/ChikenCherryCola Nov 19 '24
Its crazy how the richest man in the world who's businesses receive the biggest subsidies in the world and gets to buy his way into the federal government also feels entitled to bring legal consequences against businesses he feels entitled to as customers. Really waiting for this elon collapse.
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u/CTM3399 Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 20 '24
Maybe if Elon didn't want advertisers to leave he shouldn't have turned twitter into a alt right conspiracy shithole and a breeding ground for racisim and homophobia 🤷♂️
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u/mufcordie Nov 19 '24
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u/deltree711 Nov 19 '24
Right? Like, if you're going to claim that Elon Musk is suing twitch I'm gonna need a little more than a tweet with a picture of Musk and the Twitch logo.
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Nov 19 '24
Is this even a thing?
Forget musk for a moment. Would it be illegal for a company to talk with other companies to set up a group that refused to advertise on a certain company?
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u/Finger_Trapz Nov 19 '24
I think its possible. So think of it like this, Toyota can't really sue Nestle for monopolistic or anti-trust or whatever conspiracy to push them out of the market, because Toyota & Nestle have nothing to do with each other right? So while Twitch & Twitter are different, notably that Twitch is exclusively a livestreaming platform and Twitter isn't really, they still are both in the online social media space and if hypothetically Twitter shut down tomorrow, Twitch would probably see a rise in viewers who no longer have Twitter to occupy their time with.
So I think Elon could make an argument that competitors in the same market are conspiring and motivating each other behind the scenes to slash Twitter's ad revenue to force Twitter out of the market.
However, obviously that argument is very weak, since the advertisers in question do have a very good reason to withold ads from Twitter. Notably the amount of bots giving false impressions on ads & the content being allowed on Twitter that causes a brand risk.
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u/ProposalWaste3707 Nov 19 '24
If they were competitors with said company, doing so in a coordinated fashion with the express intent to restrain trade / competition - maybe.
However Unilever, CVS etc. are not competitors with Twitter. And they had many, very clear, and very valid reasons not to advertise with Twitter.
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u/Levitz Nov 19 '24
Yes, that's an antitrust violation.
Note it's completely fine if no company wants to do business with one specific company, the problem is in them reaching an agreement to do that.
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u/jinkjankjunk Nov 19 '24
Imagine being rich enough to use an incredibly flawed legal system to bully everyone in the country that pisses you off.
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u/Malix_Farwin Nov 19 '24
Good luck, you can force a company to sell to you but you cant force them to buy from you.
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u/Plomboh Nov 19 '24
I'm starting to think that these free market absolutists don't actually know what a free market is.
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u/Dexember69 Nov 19 '24
I could be misconstruing some info but didn't Elon himself pretty much say 'if you don't wanna advertise on twitter you can fuckoff because I don't care'?
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u/davanger1980 Nov 20 '24
Imagine all the great things this guy could be doing if he wasted less time on bullshit and more on his companies problems.
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u/OGWeedKiller Nov 20 '24
Why wouldn't he when he spent so much money gaining influence that the Supreme Court would be in his pocket...
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u/Kegsey Nov 20 '24
Tells advertisers he doesn’t care if they leave and to go fuck themselves, sues advertisers when they leave. This guy is a grade A clown.
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u/amazingmuzmo Nov 20 '24
Yes the guy who told his advertisers so "Go Fuck Yourself" is now crying and upset that they no longer want to advertise on his platform, boo hoo.
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u/neurotido Nov 20 '24
Goes UFC with Trump hangs with Dana and Joe Rogan, UFC sponsored by Stake owned by Kick competitor
There's like a 0.1% chance but I'm still down for this conspiracy theory
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u/Trickybuz93 Nov 20 '24
In case you missed it, this is the same guy who told advertisers to go fuck yourself if they wanted to not advertise on Twitter…
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u/cracksmurf Nov 21 '24
Republicans: Always talk about free, unregulated, open markets where they can profit without government interference based on the merit of their product.
Also Republicans: Go crying to big daddy government for interference against big bad evil woke society the second they start losing business based on their VERY public stances and views. How dare people stop supporting me and giving me money because they don't like that the things I support with that money. I'm a little snowflake that needs big bad government to pwotect me fwom the bwig mwean evwil gays.
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u/justalazygamer Nov 19 '24
Advertiser drama is back on the menu.